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Here is a small story I saw this morning...

 Pat Tillman, Army Ranger  (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/nfl/04/23/tillman.killed/index.html)

tragic, like all deaths.

Why "real patriot" ?

Because he turned down the riches of the NFL to enlist in Army. He did it for his love of country and refused any and all media requests to follo whis journies. From all accounts available, he wanted no notoriety and just to be one of the guys who normally enlist and receive no attention.

He was a good guy and a ballsy man.

good enough.

Yes, thanks for answering....just about the way I would have said it.

It really took balls to do this, little kids don't dream to join the army, they dream of being a professional sports player, and making millions of dollars.

This guy was special though, he must have overcame those dreams which were coming true, and joined the army, which any true patriot would do.

*** Crypt Applauds

Anyone who loves their country would join the army and go and kill fellow human beings???

This whole patriotism thing seems to have gone way over the top in the US....

Now do you really think his sole motivation was to go and kill fellow human beings.  Your comment is rediculous.

pa?tri?ot - One who loves, supports, and defends one's country.


I don't know what the patriots do where you live BFG, but I take it they are doing none of those.

No, not fellow human beings, these people are savage rats that can die in hell.

No,  this guy was the shit.  He joined after the frenzy of 9/11 to defend his country.  Not just any NFL player, he was an extraordinary leader, and sportsmen.  It was this man's calling alone to join the service.  I only have the utmost respect for his actions, despite any conflicting beliefs.  By joining the corps, army etc, you are doing an honorable service for your country, and in no way should it be taken as some kind of political message.  Unfortunatley I don't think the country is well represented by it's leaders.  It is our duty as citizens to make sure that we are well represented by our chosen leaders, and that our soldiers are fighting for a just cause in the most efficient, logical, and moral fashion.  Otherwise our most dedicated true young patriots are dying needlessly.  Dying for Bush and Cheney is not patriotism.  Tillman though died fighting in Afghanistan where the goal was to clean out al-quada and bring stability to the country.  That was a just cause.  Efficient and logical?  I dunno.  Is it possible that matters in Afghanistan would be different if we were not so needlessly pre-occupied in Iraq?

I believe the death and sacrifice of men such as Pat Tillman is an enormous loss to everyone.  (Jeez, I didn't think I'd ever be saying that when he joined.)

BFG....you just don't understand.  Fortunately, your country didn't understand back in 1775 either.  Your country started to understand, just a little, by about 1783....but then it got really dumb and forgot everything again around 1812.  You see, American Patriotism is just about the most powerful force on earth.  But you just don't get it.

A lot of other people never got it either, so don't feel all alone in this.  The Germans didn't get it (twice).  The Japanese didn't get it.  Saddam didn't get it.

We will fight to the death to protect freedom, even the freedom of people we don't even know thousands of miles from our shores.

I think you just need a good old fashioned lesson in Patriotism, my friend.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

"Brought to you courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue"

By any chance are you also a Army Recruiter outside of your Ford duties.  You sound like those crazy nut balls.  

hehehe....Army Recruiter, car salesman....kinda the same thing, huh?

But I am one of those Patriots, too....just look at things a bit differently.

if so, what about North Korea, what about China? Looks like freedom over there doesnt mean jack shit to the US !
Or is it maybe coz they're not a threat to US homeland security........ wait a minute.... they both have nukes, they're both run by dictators and they both hate the us.

China isn't run by a dictator you moron.  It has a communist goverment, in a democratic economic market.

....omfg

The difference between the governments of North Korea and China, versus Saddam's Iraq is this:

Although all three have or have had Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical Weapons, only Iraq has used them against an enemy.  In my book (same book Bush uses, by the way), that makes them more of a threat to U.S. Security than either China or North Korea.

And for those of you still saying that Iraq did not have any weapons, you are as stupid as the Democratic Party.  Of course he had them.  Question is, who has them now?

China not run by a dictator its Communist? Democratic economic system? Dude, what the fuck are you smoking? China is anything but Communist despite any title the ruling party gives itself, and there is no such thing as a democratic economic system. Democracy is not an economic system it is a form of government. For instance you can have a Socialist Democracy, a Christian Democracy, or Communist Democracy. Communism is an economic system one that China does not use. What you are trying to say is that China has a capitalist economic system. Therefore you are saying China is a Communist Capitalist system which is a total contradiction in terms.

I do not want to get this thread off topic. I give Tillman my salute for his sacrifice of wealth, and then his sacrifice of life. He died in the same area as my cousin did eighteen years ago. Khost is an eternal hell hole.

For any of you that may have missed this news.  Pat Tillman, formerly of Arizona State University and a starting Safety for the Cardinals, was killed in action in Afghanistan on Friday.

No matter how you feel about the war, either war, you have to respect a man that was so moved by 9/11 that he gave up a 3.6 million dollar a year contract to be an Army Ranger for $18k a year.  That's putting your money where your mouth is.  He's now paid the ultimate price for his devotion.

So here's to Pat Tillman, a man that truly lived by his principles.  I have nothing but absolute respect for that kind of man.

- Sorry, just noticed that this was in another topic.  If a moderator would be so kind as to merge this one, I'd appreciate it.

-Done ;)

Sorry, started another thread on this before I read it.  Hopefully a moderator will merge it into this one.


The whole damn patriotism thing seems to have left GB.

The man lived and died for his convictions BFG.  This isn't a guy that had nothing, was poor and manipulated into bombing a market full of women and children, this was a guy that gave up 3.6 million dollars a year to fight honorably for what he thought was right.

How in the world can you not respect that?

Woah, sorry totally missunderstood, and totally wrote somthing that didn't convay what i ment.

well no i certainly do respect the fact that this guy left his career etc to do somthing he felt was more inportant.. there aren't many (any?) people in those circles of live who you here dropping absolutly everything like that...

I have the utmost respect for the fact hey left that lifestyle do do somthing which he felt was more inportant - i think he could have helped is country in other ways that joining the Armed forces, but that was his decision

The fact he died is terrible... like any persons death in a conflict of any kind.

Obviously this man is getting a lot of extra attention from ESPN and other media as the case should be, but we still must remember that hundreds of other people have been killed and hundreds of other families have had to endure the same hardships.  Has anyone heard anything from Snake recently?  I hope he's okay.

From what I've listened to from his coaches that have spoken about him he was a great leader and wouldn't have wanted to have had special treatment.  He held no press conference and answered no questions to reporters for publicity.  He obviously made his decision to join the army for the right reason which trully deserves respect.  This man is a hero but just as much as the men he was fighting beside.  When you talk about sacrifice he trully was willing to make sacrifice.  Giving up millions of dollars to risk his life and fight for his country.

Arizona St. is going to retire his number and the Arizona Diamondbacks held a memorial for him last night at their game.

This even made prime time news in Australia.

It is sad to see yet another life end in such a way.

These are some of the qualities that I see as being best in man.  ESPN, the NFL Draft and football aside, I think it's important to honor those things that this man stood for.  He may not want special treatment, but he was special.  If more people were like him, the world would be a much better place.