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Title: RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: .vooDoo. on January 15, 2004, 12:25:34 am Hey yall. I know that some of you like me are having a problem rotating maps while hosting RvS games. Well I took the time to email Aspyr and got a quick response. And this is what they wrote.
Quote Aspyr Media Support Response Jonathan We have not seen this kind of issue before. It is possible that the mods corrupted some of the game data. Try running the repair disk permissions function of the disk utility located in Applications/Utilities. Also, where do you have the game installed on your computer? Make sure that it is not in the applications folder or on the desktop, OS X does not like this. It works best if it is installed in the Users/Shared folder or in a separate games folder on the top/root level of your hard drive. If the game is not currently stored in one of the two aforementioned locations then sometimes just moving the game is not enough and it is necessary to reinstall. Reinstalling also gets rid of any game data that may have become corrupt. Be sure to trash the game's preferences file when you do so. Then just trash the current copy of the game and install a new copy. We will investigate this issue, though, and find out if a fix is needed. ------- Kyle Daniels, Tech Support For more prompt service, please include all previous correspondence in your replies. www.aspyr.com/support/ If anyone else is having this problem please email Aspyr immediatly so that they know this problem is out there and a fix is needed. I am going to try what they say in there response but I dont think its going to help because I have already deleted my prefs and reinstalled and have the game in a games folder on my harddrive. If anyone had this problem and has found a fix please post here. Thanks voodoo Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 15, 2004, 12:35:56 am i've had this problem, but the disturbing thing is that it is not consistant. Every time i've hosted (which is not that many) i've had this exact issue, but when I hosted last, it was fine. I did absolutely nothing to try to solve it, it just went away. I'm betting the next time I host, it will be back. Sorry that I have no help to give, but I'm drafting a letter to aspyr now.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: MainMaN on January 15, 2004, 04:36:07 pm vood, allready been looked at, its a error in RvS, doesnt want some rvs maps to be on rotation are results in a crash, and they said the problem should be fixed in the next update.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 15, 2004, 07:59:49 pm Who is "they" Mainman. Because the email I got from Aspyr development team mentioned nothing about knowing of this problem and nothing of a patch coming out. Did u read my post at all?
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 17, 2004, 05:53:32 am so here's an interesting thing. Pyro hosts often. He's on a dual G5, 2.5GB of RAM. plenty of system. Every time he hosts, he gets the map won't rotate problem. Well an interesting thing happened. He crashed out of gameranger, but his RvS host continued. And once he crashed out, the maps rotated fine. So it may be possible that the problem is on gamerangers end, or is at least tied to it somehow.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Pyroman on January 17, 2004, 03:36:04 pm to add to that... once i closed the game and restarted GR, the bug returned. when i stayed with the same map for a 2nd rotation, it seems that the server became unresponsive to anyone outside the game. nobody could join.
the day before, i threw out all the raven shield files and folders (including the .plist file in my preferences. when i re-installed, hosting worked fine that whole night... map changes, server option changes, the works. the next day... back to bug city. i have installed the game in a seperate folder in my home directory. great game. LOTS of issues. need that update ASAP. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 17, 2004, 06:40:40 pm hmmm, interesting. Once you guys suggested it may be gameranger I tried to create a game not useing gameranger and the map rotation worked fine. The question is here, who do we contact about this problem.
btw: Ive reinstalled 3 times now. I might be missing some files to delete when I delete Raven Shield. Can someone post all files that need to be deleted to re-install? I throw out the RvS folder and throw out the .plist pref, is there any others? IDEA: Try reinstalling gameranger after throwing out all gr prefs, files and folders. Ill try when i get home unless someone beats me to it. ;) Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: KGB on January 17, 2004, 08:16:25 pm well I deleted the prefs and istalled the game in the specific folder (users-shared).
I launched the game and hosted a game tru ravenshield itself (ip join not Gameranger). I tried the quick pick map option using the console and it worked. I could switch maps during playing and in the waiting screen. Then I hosted a room in gameranger and tried the same thing, and lo and behold... It didn't work. Funny thing is when I rehosted a game in RVS itself (ip join) the quick pick map option didn't work either. I do have to agree with splinter that it has something to do with Gameranger support. I've emailed aspyr and Evill about the problem. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: MainMaN on January 17, 2004, 08:33:10 pm I emailed Red Storm Entertainment. They specificy said that the bug conficts with modded maps or other types of un authorized editing. Untill CDK comes out for mac as well as a update RvS and its mod will suck. THe update is being worked on currently.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 17, 2004, 09:29:25 pm Pyro's and my own server both have no mods, nor anything else changed from the clean install, and we get this bug.
Here's another question, albeit way less important. Does anyone know why you can't IP join a game that is started in GameRanger? You get this, "incompatible version" error. Is this an intentional block by evill? I haven't tried ip joining a game that hasn't been started in GR, so not sure if it works that way or not, but the more investigating, the more it seems that gameranger is causing these problems. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: MainMaN on January 17, 2004, 11:10:41 pm The only time i get that, is when i installed RvS on 2 computers and when ever i try to join i relize my ibook has version 1.31 and my imac v1.32. Even if i drag the exact app over. I believe its a port issue.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: Monoman on January 18, 2004, 02:55:30 am Splinter, when you start up RvS without GR the version is 1.31 but with GR its 1.32. This is the reason you can't IP join when you host with GR.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 18, 2004, 08:53:13 am Well, what the hell is up with that? Is there some point to having 2 separate versions that i've missed?
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: Mr. Lothario on January 18, 2004, 12:08:24 pm So that you can't IP join GR-hosted games, of course. Evill has an anti-hardon for IP joining.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Pyroman on January 18, 2004, 06:09:02 pm So...
if I understand this properly, if someone posts a room with an ip address for my server, and I launch RvS independently of GR, people should be able to bypass GR and ip join without problem. I just can't start a game via GR and expect people to join via IP. It sounds like this is worth trying if for no other reason than to see if it eliminates the map-rotation issue. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 18, 2004, 06:12:51 pm yeah that should work Pyro, i've seen a few other people do it. Looks like that will probably be the way to go for the forseeable future.
A more important question though...when evill gets his anti-hardon, does that mean he grows a vagina? inquiring minds want to know ;) Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Pyroman on January 19, 2004, 03:14:29 pm back to the topic a bit... ;)
i hosted an all ip game last night to see how it works. absolutely no bugs at all: maps rotated fine, i was able to change server settings, i added and deleted maps from the rotation, i selected maps from the maplist, all without issues. any one of those actions would have at best been ignored, and at worst crashed my game if i had been hosting via gameranger. i have emailed aspyr with this information, and will let you know when/if they respond. however, if i were them, i would probably put the ball in evill's court, as that seems like where the bugs are arising. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 20, 2004, 01:44:55 am When I emailed Aspyr they replied to it within 12 hours. I emailed evill at gameranger support and expect a reply within 6 months. ;)
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Pyroman on January 20, 2004, 04:52:25 am i did send an email to evill outlining the problem in as much detail as i could manage. i would be surprised if i get a response (based on what others have told me) but hope that he will use the information to fix the problem.
ip hosted again today with no issues whatsoever. GR hosted again today and had all of the problems outlined in this thread. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 20, 2004, 05:11:48 am The report from evill is that it has nothing to do with gameranger and that he plans on talking with the developers of the game. Dont expect a fix anytime soon. It seems to me that this will turn into a finger pointing contest.
On a related note, when I asked evill why the team chat and global chat for gr voice didnt work properly, he had no idea and didnt really seem interested in finding out what the problem was. It seems to only not work properly in RvS. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: X1|MARCO on January 20, 2004, 05:24:43 pm Map rotation seems to be working fine for me. The only problem I seem to have is the incompatibility of mod maps to different users, when they are the same map, i.e. a map from the (UO) pack won't load for a user that has D/L'd that same map individually. I have had a strange occurance of after a map loads you are stuck somewhere as if in a first person dead cam view. can't move but alive, no reticule. I wish there were a more organized way to control map usage, like the way Ghr handles it.
Anyhow, thanks MARCO Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: |MP|Buccaneer on January 20, 2004, 11:00:25 pm On a related note, when I asked evill why the team chat and global chat for gr voice didnt work properly, he had no idea and didnt really seem interested in finding out what the problem was. It seems to only not work properly in RvS. I know that Evill was working on the chat issue a few weeks ago. He asked for a couple people to join his room so he could test it out. In game chat seems to have worked the few times I've tried it. What exactly is the issue? Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 20, 2004, 11:04:00 pm The main issue i've seen is that team chat gets broadcast to all. It is in a different channel, but everyone can hear it.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 21, 2004, 12:14:20 am When playing RvS using the team chat works fine, but everyone else can hear it too. ;) Evill said he had no idea why it doesnt work properly and knows about the problem.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: BFG on January 21, 2004, 02:08:09 am typical isn't it.. there is a great app which everyone uses... GR then gets 'updated' so that you can no longer use this app (not now applicable) and makes you pay 50 dollars for 'great features'... which dont work.
Anyone else feeling a little peeved of about premium? Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: Scott_Kevill on January 21, 2004, 05:24:08 am When playing RvS using the team chat works fine, but everyone else can hear it too. ;) Evill said he had no idea why it doesnt work properly and knows about the problem. Well, I know about it insofar as you and Gem mentioned it recently, but not much more than that. typical isn't it.. there is a great app which everyone uses... GR then gets 'updated' so that you can no longer use this app (not now applicable) and makes you pay 50 dollars for 'great features'... which dont work. Anyone else feeling a little peeved of about premium? The only reason this would not be working is if RvS isn't reporting the teams properly, which is odd, because it did in the tests we did before release. It does work in GhR, which does report the teams. At any rate, it is very disappointing for me given that it was supposed to support it on release. I'll be talking with the developer about this as well as the map rotation problems. Are there any particular team modes this happens with (the team voice thing)? Does it make a difference which maps are being played? Scott. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Pyroman on January 21, 2004, 01:18:10 pm Scott,
Its good to see you following this discussion and taking the time to respond to our concerns. Any thoughts about the map rotation issue that started this thread? I don't have the technical knowledge to say that the bug is a Gamerranger problem, or a Raven Shield problem, but I can tell you with certainty that it only occurs when I host RvS through GR. If I IP host, I have no issues, and if I host via GR, I have them consistantly. The issue is bad enough that I have given up trying to host a GR room until some type of fix is released. Resolving the team chat issue would be great, but to me that would be the icing on the cake; having a stable platform to host RvS games is what I most want for my $50. Again, thanks for taking the time to respond to our concerns. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: MainMaN on January 21, 2004, 08:26:04 pm Well i consider rvs to suck so much, mb this all just be GameRanger. I mean, i ran a ip host the other day and it worked fine, rotation was great, no crashes, and it even felt to be running smoother.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: |MP|Buccaneer on January 23, 2004, 06:59:01 am I was talking to Gemi last night (one of the guys that has the map rotation problem) and he mentioned that another guy didn't have the problem on a static account, but did when he was on a DHCP account.
Why this would make a difference with GR and RvS, I don't know (and it shouldn't as far as I know). But I am curious, out of all the people having the problem, are all of you on DHCP? I'm not having it, and I'm on a static. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Splinter on January 23, 2004, 08:36:06 am Pyro is static, and he has it. I'm dynamic, and I have it.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 23, 2004, 05:59:45 pm Im going to re-initialize my HD this weekend and clean install everything. Its been a while, but Im willing to bet that it will work once Ive done this. I also have a DHCP but my ip hasnt change in over a year so I would consider that a static IP, no?
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: c| Pyroman on January 24, 2004, 12:59:40 am I have not gone so far as re-initializing my hard drive, but when I deleted the RvS files and re-installed them, I got one session of hosting without problems. I would guess that after that some file or another got corrupted again.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: NiXon on January 24, 2004, 04:32:01 am I was talking to Gemi last night (one of the guys that has the map rotation problem) and he mentioned that another guy didn't have the problem on a static account, but did when he was on a DHCP account. Why this would make a difference with GR and RvS, I don't know (and it shouldn't as far as I know). But I am curious, out of all the people having the problem, are all of you on DHCP? I'm not having it, and I'm on a static. Quote I am the guy that has this Problem and with my Dynamish line it was working fine but after i changed my line it would not rotate anymore This could be a Factor Gemmi Told me about this Post I hope someone clears this matter up :-) More i cant say NiXon Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. Post by: .vooDoo. on January 24, 2004, 10:13:01 pm FIXED
Go into ur RvS data/save/profile now "get info" on user.ini and click the lock button. Its that simple. Please thank Kilmore for this fix and whoever told him. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: KGB on January 25, 2004, 07:11:34 pm Wooooooooooooooot woooooooooooooooooooot
Thank U very much Kilmore and co, and thank you vooDoo for putting it up here. I just tested it and it's the first time that the console switching works for me tru gameranger. I would like to say thanks but no thanks to aspyr who obviously don't have a clue. MUCHOS GRACIAS :D :D :D Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: c| Splinter on January 25, 2004, 10:41:24 pm I have yet to try this myself, but Pyro tells me that it didn't fix the problem for him. :(
I played with Pyro today and his map rotation worked just fine. voods Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: c| Pyroman on January 26, 2004, 04:21:17 am Here is the deal.... you are both right.
I needed to remove the user.ini file and re-install it. Locking the old version did nothing. (Perhaps this should have been obvious.) I installed the new file and went into RvS to set my user/multiplayer/server options the way I wanted them, locked the file as described, and then loaded GR. One night of bug free hosting.... priceless. I hope and assume that it will be ok tomorrow too. :) Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: MainMaN on January 29, 2004, 09:05:26 pm I was told by smruf to use the defuser.ini and worked great. I used his tutorial and put it down here:
http://www.matrixcg.net/moh/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9&sid=91be8d92e328e3eeea863d5d778fc3a5 If your having any trouble. Thanks agian for who ever found this out. Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: 11.Dr.5150 on February 07, 2004, 09:29:38 am Does it really matter what folder the Game is saved in? I got it saved in HD/apps.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: .vooDoo. on February 07, 2004, 07:41:57 pm Yes, Aspyr actually says that the Applications folder is the worst place to have the game and say either to create a folder called "games" on ur harddrive which I have or install it in your User/shared folder.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: 11.Dr.5150 on February 08, 2004, 01:03:53 am I even do that and It still does not rotate. I use to use Jag but i went to panther and since then it hasn't worked. Maybe that is it. I tried reinstalling but still no go.
Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: .vooDoo. on February 08, 2004, 09:01:04 pm When you delete the raven shield folder, are you deleteing the prefs. from the Library. If you dont, the reinstall will be in vain.
(ie:path for raven shield prefs /user/library/prefs/com.aspyr.ravenshield.plist) Next time you see me on GR, pm me, I will be happy to help you out. -voods Title: Re:RvS Map Rotation Problem. FIXED?! Post by: 11.Dr.5150 on February 09, 2004, 04:12:23 pm I did that and reinstalled several times. What worked is deleting the hard drive and starting new. That did the trick.
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