*DAMN R6 Forum

OK CB GhR team. OZ v GM
 ok the bl rules say  . If one clan asks for a replay the replays must be sent within 10mins after the cb was finished. Notice that on dedicated servers the admin has to be in the game or otherwise you can't save the reply!

We think that they used a glitch in mp castle map. They saved all replays execpt that map. we asked for replays.. they could not produce them.  here is the convo we had about it.

[OZ] Zabe.cb: thanks for playing
|GM|GhostSniper: We want the replay
|GM|Gen.Harvey: last game replay?
<< |GM|Spetsnaz joined the room >>
[OZ] Zabe.cb: shit..
|GM|Spetsnaz: dude we need that replay
[OZ] Zabe.cb: what do i do..
|GM|Gen.Harvey: if we dont have it it make cb our win b/c of forfit due to breaking the BL rules
|GM|Spetsnaz: thats the rules
[OZ] Zabe.cb: thats not fair
|GM|Gen.Harvey: i said replay
|GM|Gen.Harvey: then you quit game
[OZ] Zabe.cb: it was an accedent
[OZ] Zabe.cb: i had already clicked the arrow
|GM|Spetsnaz: this is match play
|GM|Spetsnaz: you have to have replays
[OZ] Jedda.CB: He quit.
[OZ] Jedda.CB: It was an accident
[OZ] Jedda.CB: sorry =P
|GM|Spetsnaz: i understand
|GM|Gen.Harvey: thats rules
[OZ] Jedda.CB: its not
[OZ] Jobe: we are sorry
|GM|Gen.Harvey: thats y i said replay
|GM|Spetsnaz: but the rules say replays are a must
|GM|Gen.Harvey: yes it is
|GM|GhostSniper: Yes, it is the rules
|GM|Gen.Harvey: it was added today
[OZ] Zabe.cb: you said it after i had clicked the arrow
[OZ] Jedda.CB: there is no rule taht says if that happens it is a 6 -0 loss
[OZ] Jedda.CB: no rule
|GM|Gen.Harvey: i will get link for you
[OZ] Jobe: pleaz don't be nasty about this
[OZ] Zabe.cb: come on dudes
[OZ] Zabe.cb: it was an accident
|GM|Spetsnaz: THe is DAMN BL you have to save replays
[OZ] Jedda.CB: Wtf?
[OZ] Zabe.cb: im really sorry
[OZ] Jedda.CB: Im so lost.
[OZ] Jobe: yeh
[OZ] Jedda.CB: Yeah
[OZ] Jobe: we know
[OZ] Jedda.CB: he save all but one
[OZ] Jobe: and we have been
[OZ] Jedda.CB: accident
[OZ] Jedda.CB: hahaha
|GM|Gen.Harvey: ill show you in the rules
[OZ] Jobe: but we always do that on the host
[OZ] Jedda.CB: he saves all but one
[OZ] Jedda.CB: we win
[OZ] Jobe: pleaz pleaz pleaz pleaz
[OZ] Jobe: understand
[OZ] Jedda.CB: he accidentilty clicks wrong aroow   - (if you click ether arrow you cant save replay)
[OZ] Jobe: we are very sorry
|GM|Spetsnaz: Ok well we'll see what mauti says
[OZ] Jedda.CB: we lose?
[OZ] Jedda.CB: thats silly
[OZ] Zabe.cb: who is mauti.
|GM|GhostSniper: We think you glitched on the last game....we aren't sure....but we want to check

I asked for replay as soon as we went into debrief screenREPLAY showed up on the chat.. then the game quit. We think they might have glitched on the last game  (MP castle map) and that is the only replay they did not save. sry about this prob. but i know the rule was just put into effect. seams like another cb another prob.

Well I didn't wrote anything about the consequences but OZ clearly broke a rule no matter if they did it with purpose or not.

Well the last game will be nullified and you have 24hours to repeat the last game on a map chosen by GM(can be anyone no matter how often you played it). Same amount of players, on the same host where the last game was played, with the same gamemode and team colors chosen.

If you fail to repeat the game I'll announce the consequences.

Mauti

ok  here is the bl rule
If one clan asks for a replay the replays must be sent within 10mins after the cb was finished or the cb will be nullified or counted as forfeit win

ok we played the game over and they won the last game. they said they saved the replay. I asked them to send me the replays. I gave them the email address to send them to. they never replied to me instead 5 mins l8r they went into another cb w/ GhRa. I never got the replays in the alloted amount of time of 10 min. this is now the second time tonight. I asked him b4 if he wanted the replays from my server and Jedda said no he did not. I did ask for the replays the second time and still have not recived them.

Shit sorry, they are sent now. I am the only guy who has the replays and i quit GR as soon as the game finished for dinner. So essentially, no you didnt give us the email address to send the stuff too. But its all OK! I logged back on about 20 mins later and sent the replays and GM is happy.

Ok they finaly sent me the email after i got intouch w/ them 30 min later.. this is still breaking the new rule.. but i will leave it up to your judgement.

Damn I feel stupid right now.

Just as the replayed CB finished, i had to go and have dinner, so i have no real idea what occured. I'm extremely pissed that the replays were not sent immediately, and im terribly sorry i didnt reply to your requests, as my headphonbes were plugged in and i was afk.

I realise that we broke a rule, and im completely prepared to lie down and take the consequences.

As to the matter of glitching -

The replay of the castle game was NOT saved due to an accidental quit.

All i can do to assure you of the fact that no unintentional, or intentional glitching occured is to give you my god, darn, honest word. [OZ] has never, and never will participate in intentional gitching during a CB. Fullstop.

Today has pissed me off.

Bugger wee poo damn penis. - J

ok at start of cb i asked for replays to be saved
i said at the end of each game to save replay.

the one map we thought they were glitching on was castle. I was goingt check the first time we played castle ( b4 the one that was in ?) and guess what.. they did not send me that replay. when i asked them.. they said that they did not save it. We played castle 2 times.. they were the replays not saved. one of your clan mates showed me this glitch that i thought might have been used and i wanted to make sure it was not.

Harvey, i know this seems like a serious matter, but i have no idea what you are talking about..???

If there is a glitch that ALL oz members know about, i certainly dont.

I was killed at he begnning of the game, i was alternating between the veiws of both oz players and i didnt see any glitch.

I am just amazed by this whole situaion. What went from a small, easy mistake, has gone to a full accusation of cheating, and that pisses me off.

[OZ] have played over 50 cbs before this, and there has never been a slight problem. Im sure if we were cheating, someone else might have noticed something...

Anyone? The floor is open.

- J

On behalf of |GM| I would like to state the following. The only reason we are contesting this match is that the missing replay in question would have decided the entire match. Not longer than a day or two ago an OZ member whom we will not name( was not present during CB) jokingly showed us a glitch on the castle map, and was said to have been known only by the OZ clan. The usage of this very glitch could have been used during our last match but of course we could never prove this beyond a resonable doubt because the replay was not saved on "accident". Hopefully the rules will see to justice being served.

Another thing is that they didn't save the first game on Castle either. Was this an accident to? 2 times the Castle map weird...

I say one thing: Play by the rules! Or don't play at all!

Ok guys its all resolved. GM and OZ have settled their differnces and now we are all friends!
We didnt cheat, GM knows that and we have all learnt something from this unfortunate incident.

Oh and by the way. We did rematch. OZ beat GM with 3 kills on Red Square.

Not longer than a day or two ago an OZ member whom we will not name( was not present during CB) jokingly showed us a glitch on the castle map, and was said to have been known only by the OZ clan.

I take full responsibility for what I informed GM| of (The Glitch)..... and wasn't jokingly showing it, as a matter of fact I was showing them the glitch as a friend would do. I do agree that it might sound sus that zabe did not save the replay.... but has it happened to you, it has infact happend to me and other friends. I just think this is turning out to be a of a witch hunt.

This issue isn't resolved!

Where is the replay of the first game on the Castle Map????

We didn't get that either!
So as long as we're not getting the replay this issue stays open!

We won't accept the loss! We asked for the replay after every game, how come you lost the replay then? Lost it by accident? You threw it in the bin by accident?

Come on guys give us the replays, stick by the rules.
Download them! Read them! And follow them!

Why are they called rules, if you don't follow them???

I'm a bit dissapointed, you [OZ] guys are a real friendly bunch? How come this is happening?

Well I hope to see you soon, to settle this, because WE WANT THE REPLAY!
NO REPLAY its up to the Admins to discuss!

if you have record game on, and you forget to save the replay, I'm pretty sure you can close the room and grab the replay still because it saves a default replay of the match which is overwritten I think each game, but if you don't play another game the default replay contains the last game played, so OZ could have just grabbed the default replay and still might be able to.

They went straight into another game so the replay was lost a few min after.
Harve asked them to get the replay before they went, but they said they weren't able to get it... Strange...

whole thing looks fishy to me...

GM:  did you lose the matches played on castle?  both times?  and if so, where abouts were the OZ players when you were shot?  you can glitch in to almost all the houses on castle.  i think we all know this already, in fact castle is the one well known map to glitch on.  Not to say that OZ was glitching...cause we cant check that...both times, but it is an easy glitch and you have full view 360? out of the house with out being able to get shot.

I was in the CB last night against OZ.  The game in question was the tie breaking last match of the CB on day castle.  I was sitting next to the northernmost house at position G6....facing south at the house next to it.  I was kneeling next to the blue water tank on the south side of the house.....so I couldn't be seen well from the east, and my team was on the west side.  I saw someone from OZ run in the direction of the house, so I got into position and layed a sensor.  I could see that on sensors, the person was in the front part of that house near the front door.  Now, I am sitting here waiting for the person to come out of the house.....I couldn't see the front door, I would have just seen someone comming out.....then bam!  A shot comes from out of the SIDE of the house....one well aimed shot, one kill!  Then a second later, a shot fires from out of the same spot on the side of the house and kills my teammate that was up on the castle wall looking down.  Now, I can maybe buy that my vision was bad....but then they couldn't produce the replay so we could be sure.  Then, they also mysteriously lost the replay for the same castle map that we played near the beginning of the CB.  Okay, so they say they forgot to save the last game.....but then LOST the replay from the earlier game on the same map TOO???  Sorry, that is a little hard for me to believe.

GM:  did you lose the matches played on castle?  both times?

Yes we did.. no replays were saved for ether of them.

The matter is not settle yet OZ. I still would like a ruling on this matter due to the fact that another replay was missing from the same map. Still seams a little fishy. My point is... Some The replays I wanted are missing.. violating BL rules

If the replay's were sent like asked in the beginning of the cb there would be no problems here what so ever. I think we all know where the decision is goin here. Mauti, I dont think that the last game should be played at all. The replays were asked for, they should have been given. It seems to me they closed the game as quickly as possible so they could use that excuse. Thoughts?


p.s. On a personal note, and this doent pertain to this cb in general,  there would be no problems if there were no cheaters, and if replays were sent in a timely manner. We can only speculate what happened during those 2 cb's and if we had the replays there would be no speculation. That is why there is a rule in effect fot the replays. Follow it and all will be fine, dont follow it, well this problem is an example of what can happen. Please learn from your mistakes.

Come on guys! It is IMPOSSIBLE to "lose" a replay 2 times in one match, and have it coincidentally be the same level that was in question!!! All other replays were produced without any trouble.  Common sense says that the replays were not given up because what was going on at the castle, was something they did not want us to see! But even that doesn't matter, the BOTTOM LINE is that the rules state "The record game feature must be enabled. If one clan asks for a replay the replays must be sent within 10mins after the cb was finished or the cb will be nullified or counted as forfeit win." PERIOD. What else is there to debate over???

We did play the last game again on a map the GM choose. Wel they saved that replay. but we played 5 games on there server (not including the one that we redid where they quit the game w /out saveing the replay) i only recived 4 replays NOT 5. the other time we played castle was missing. so both times we played castle were not saved. just seams a little fishy to me.

Guess I should throw in my $.02.

This is not to be considered the opinion of the OZ clan. I was not there and am also just a grunt in the ranks. Therefore this is just my own opinion.

As there is a lot of understandable criticism about this cb I feel that one of several things should happen for it to be resolved.

1) The last 2 matches are replayed, saving the replays obviously.

2) The cb is replayed in full.

or

3) The cb is forfeit and declared to GM.

On the subject of glitching I really doubt that anyone in OZ cheated. If it turns out they did then I, at least, will have to seriously rethink my own place in OZ. OZ is supposed to be a fun clan, put together for Australians. The final aim of the clan is to have fun, not win at any cost.

As I said before this is my own opinion and is not to be considered the opinion of the clan.

I'm going to have to agree with voodoo on this ruling.  They had been saving replays the whole game, why not on these two rounds, the round where a glitch may have happend.    I think GM should get the win simply due to the fact that OZ broke a rule.  Nomaly i think in mauti's mind he would rather seek an option that would please both clans while being fair and at the same time with out having to just lay down the law.  But in this case, if the cb is not handed to GM i beleive it will do nothing but open the door to more replay bs and we will see alot more of these time wasting threads.  It will also in one sence be a go giver to glitchers that have the host.  Think about it, you have the host, you glitch your way to a win hoping the other clan didnt notice anything funny.  If they did, "oops, i forgot to save the replay".

nuff said.

I don't think OZ should get the loss for not having saved the last replay...

Simply because they think someone might have used a glitch because someone from the other clan showed it to them previously... They shouldn't be able to lose, then pick up a 6-0 win because someone didn't click the replay button. Replay the match on a different map. I think GM is being way to quick to want to get 6-0 win via a rules violation in this case.

Whats going on? We settled this! WE DIDNT CHEAT GM UNDERSTOOD THAT LAST NIGHT WHEN THEY SHOWED US THE GLITCHES! The first castle map was NOT saved because GM did not ask for it. I checked in the rules and thats fine. The second one was an accident and then i went off to dinner! We rematched the second game and won, we can rematch the first as well. OR LETS JUST KILL THE WHOLE THING. Yes we made some mistakes, we have learnt from them and are sorry.
But we play for fun and fighting over a game and being accused of cheating is not fun. We have always liked GM, they are good guys. If a CB means life and death then take it. We dont care enough to go through so much distrust and abuse.

Exactly Jeb!

When im hosting a server, i sometimes forget to save replays!

This is crazy!

I go to sleep last night, thinking we have won the same cb twice, and happily - wake up in the morning, and half the GhR community is accusing my clan of cheating!

I have only just NOW learnt that [OZ] Rhino has spent the last few days compiling a list of glitches that can be used in GhR. He now tells me that he was doing this so he could point out what to look iout for...but i also think he was having a bit of fun with it =P. I only found out about this so called glitch that exists (i still dont know what it is) AFTER the CB, when Harvey eplained about his problem.

Im just wondering how me or any of my members could use a glitch that we do not even know the details of?

Hell, i know you hvae to trust me on this one, and i can see how fishy it sounds, but this is truly silly.

Take the win. Perhaps our mistakes grant that. We had to win the cb twice, but there were MORE problems with replays..

I just dont care about this CB anymore. If it means heaven and earth that you evade a loss, do it. Thats how the cookie crumbles.


Out. - J

We asked for every replay to be saved and after each map they even acknowledged that they saved the replay.  Then the issue with the last game came up and they didn't save that one.  Well, then when we get the replays, the map from earlier in the game is missing as well as the last game!  Just doesn't make any sense to me.

WHY ARE WE STILL FIGHTING!? It seems like we are repeating the same things over and over again and no one is listening! You did not ask for the first castle replay and in the rules if you dont ask you dont get it (although im saving every time from now cause it just creates so much shit if you dont).
IM HUMAN! I MAKE MISTAKES! AND I MADE A MISTAKE ON THE SECOND CASTLE GAME!!!
Throw me off the boat in docks! Push me off the walls in Castle! SEND ME TO AN ONLINE PENEL COLONY IF IT WILL HELP YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!
Cause guys, we are over fighting. You can get your cheap win if you want. We won the CB. We made a mistake. We rematched the last game, just as you asked on a map of your choice to compensate for my clumsiness. We won that. JEEZ!!! COME ON GUYS! Either give OZ a win for winning, give GM a win for loosing twice or cancel the whole CB. BUT DO IT NOW!! WE ARE OVER IT! WE LIKED GM AND WE STILL DO . We see their point of view and can empathize with their cause. But OZ is being made out to be the bad guys here without the slightest bit of understanding. We dont need empathy. We just need to win or loose.

 First, OZ broke the rules, therefore if the battle league is to have any legitimacy they should be penalized. Second, you can say you didn't cheat that's great, but I can call your bluff from 10,530 miles away, I know exactly what happened in that match and the only thing that could verify this was "mistakenly destroyed". Third, The replayed match has no validity in my view because I was not even present, so how could this possibly be a continuation of the matches that I participated in? Lastly, If the ruling is not awarded to |GM| then in my humble opinion the BL will be tarnished and the shroud of deceit so cleverly constructed by the OZ clan will have been successful.

This really is becoming a witch hunt now....
I pride myself to find those glitches in mostly every map.... not to use them and abuse them but to put them to a good cause.... Knowing about every damn glitch in this game is a pro yet also a con... if people know that I know nearly every glitch then they make it look like [OZ] all glitch... I do not use them for that purpose and I really do hope none of the other members in [OZ] use them for bad purposes.... I try to spread the word about these glitches and for them to be put to good use ie. ( If someone was suspected of glitching this is made much more easy to find when and where that person glitched ) If I knew anyone glitched while cb'ing I would hate them and never trust them... GM| you got your rematch and we rightfully won... and now you are trying to take this away from us =(

 You took your win away when you neglected to follow the rules. I said at the end of every match "SAVE REPLAY" then on the last and most important match you exited out of the after action window so fast I could not remind you to properly save the replay. Accident or not a rule was infracted and therefore a penalty should ensue. As for the cheating issue, nothing can be proven so this is the last I will speak of it. Distrustfulness and abusiveness are my foremost qualities, because so often the truth is not so clear.

Shroud of deceit so cleverly constructed?

This is really starting to piss me off.

Take the win, and stop bitching.

I can do nothing else to prove we didnt cheat. Now, i wish the replays had of been saved so i could prove it.

|GM| may never CB us again, and after this rediculous fuss that they have kicked up, i dont particlarly want to.

Also, would someone like to explain this glitch? I still am in the dark about what we 'so cleverly' did.

Dumb. - J

Guys please, do you know what it feels like to be wrongly accused? Lame as this whole thing is just look at the issue objectively. OZ beats you. Breaks a rule by clicking accidentally. Rematches you to compensate. Beats you again. Still we havnt won...
And in the true CB'ing tradition you treat the matter like life and death and fabricate this great plot about OZ doing this glitch we never knew about and that we should loose because we made a mistake. Well as far as we knew that had been resolved because of the rematch which both clans agreed to.
We have never had to endure so much crap over anything in the GameRanger community!
And despite the obvious facts we have better things to do than bitch endlessly to one disgruntled member of GM who unlike the rest of his clan, continues to fuck around trying to get a cheap win.
Spetsnaz, if you have any sense of decency TAKE YOUR DAMN WIN. We obviously cannot prove that we did not cheat to you despite the acquiescence of your clan. SO TAKE THE WIN. STOP BITCHING AND GET A LIFE!

yes I agree.....
Stop this stupid madness...
It's just a 'GAME'
not a matter of life and death
you got your blood covered win...
HAPPY?
and on the matter of cheating...
I just wish we had saved it so we could prove u wrong

Has anyone tried to emulate the effect Ghostsniper described on the first page of this thread. Is it possible.

 You messed up, I called you on it. The more blood the better.

Its a real shame people have been so quick to jump to conspiracy theory - an underlying assumption of distrust has been levelled - this presumes complicity and a cheat to win mentality that smears the entire  OZ clan.

OZ is a proud clan with people of high integrity and a natural sense of fair play - not a team of cheaters win at any cost merchants !  I see no understanding of the OZ spirit, nor any benefit of the doubt that people are telling the truth.

So if you want to be pedantic and play rule hardball, then lets deal with Rule 9 .....the question also needs to be asked...was the REPLAY asked for within the 30 second min time allocation for after match.

"9.   The record game feature must be enabled. Furthers the after action time has to be at least 30 seconds. If any troubles occur each clan has the right to ask the host to save the reply so admins can watch the game later and decide more objective. Notice that on dedicated servers the admin has to be in the game or otherwise you can't save the reply!"

Rule 9 has several components, if you want to apply it, the entire rule needs to be examined, not just the first sentence. If the REPLAY was not asked for within 30 seconds, and then the game closed then that's unfortunate, but they ARE the rules.

Furthermore, prevailing network conditions mean that this rule is essentially arbitrary and unworkable, and cannot establish any benchmark - 30 seconds after match at the host end does not guarantee 30 seconds for ANY other players, nor is 30 seconds really long enough to deal with disputenotice at the end of a game.  But all that's irrelevant, the rule says 30 seconds, and GM have indiacted that they want to apply the letter of law, not the spirit of matchplay.

In addition to this, the rules specifically address cheating - for one clan to accuse another of cheating see Cheat Tests clauses 1-7.  GM has clearly levelled a gameplay cheating allegation, I have seen no reference that suggests that any Cheat Test was performed.  This is one simple rule - the ONLY rule in the Rules that pertains to cheating - and it has clearly not been satisfied.  Therefore, again, by rule hardball - sorry GM - you loose.

This thread has raised accusations that truly speaking, evidentially, could only be verified with an impartial OBSERVER referee or umpire. Who said what when to whom - where are the time stamps and chat logs.  

Allegations have been made which cannot be proven and which deliberately smear the reputation of another team.  As a matter of conduct within a competition this is totally unacceptable behaviour.  In any professional sporting arena - if you libelled another player or team in this way you would have to face the burden of proof test...prove it or shut up and face the consequences of making false accusation and libel.

So if you want to adjudicate this rule hardball, I humbly suggest that GM should be censured for "unsportsman like conduct" for their inflammatory public accusations and snide denegration. No Cheat test was asked for, therefore no cheat accusations can be made under the rules of the League.  Furthermore, the time duration aftermatch needs to be accessed, if it met the required 30 seconds and the REPLAY notice did not present to the host, then closing the game was a legitimate action and should not constitute a breach leading to forfeiture.

I suggest that all the evidence demonstrates that OZ won this CB !

 Censure me for "unsportsmen like conduct" do what you like, it will not change my feeling on the issue. Infact take the win, this will set an excellent example for how similar situations can be dealt with in the future. Perhaps I need to search my inner self and find that "OZ spirit".

Also I am honestly sorry about my vicious comments, but you must understand my paranoia. I really do like the OZ clan, they are a great bunch of fellows. As far as im concerned if we can come out of this as friends, the ruling on the match will have no relevence to me.

Ok

Now that we've all yelled at each other enough, what do we do about it in the future.

Cheat tests can show hacks and other such cheats easily but how do you detect people glitching during games. To paraphrase Dr No. "How do we stop the possibility of the host clan glitching then failing to record replays?"

Just occured to me.

This was my first post to the boards. Maybe I should have posted somewhere happier first ;D

that y we asked for all our replay from the cb. And thats y there r the BL rules stating all replay must be sent to eachother w/ in 10 min after the cb. if not the match is ether nulled or forfited.

We had all but one of your guys on sensor. and where we all saw the shots come from b4 we were killed anyone in that area (witch there was one person.. IN THE HOUSE) would have been on the sensor. plus we had our guys in a place where we could see all side of the house where the other team could have shot us from. now the shots looked like they came from the house. wether you glitched or not.. I dont care b/c i cannot prove ether way. b/c the replay was not saved. If the replay had been saved i could have checked and we would not be going through this right now. I did say at the begiining of match that i was saving all replays and i would like you guys to do the same. I didn't use those exact words but i did ask to have replays saved when we started the first game on your server.now for some reson you didn't see the chat message i dont know. but anyone in my clan will tell you i always say that. b/c i like to check replays. you can ask I ! I flies about that. b/c i wanted to check a replay on one of our games. they had saved them like i asked. i checked them and everything was cool. I always say its better to be safe then sorry. I saved all replays on my server even though you did not ask after every game. and i said that i save the replay. Y is that b/c i like o cover my ass so thing like this wont happen!!!!!

OK so we redid the last game. it was cool you guys won. then i wait 30 min after the cb when some of your guys get back out of aother cb. you said you would send me all the replays (i assumed all 5 from your server) i only recived 4 replays. the other game from the castle was not saved. then i ask you about it and you said you did not have it. thats my point right now. the fact that we did still did not recive all replays that were asked for.

Alright after reading that BOTH castle map replays are missed and further my two other BL admins have the same opinion this cb will be declared as a forfeit win for GM.

Bye,

Mauti

Thanks Mauti

This needed to be sorted. Now all you OZ's. Lets try and make it a habit to save every replay from now on.


Don't forget everybody. Replays are fun. I'm sure everyone can remember the joy we had watching "a-4 pause.rpf".

hint: it involved a certain pariah called moley.

yea i always like to watch the replays. just so i can see what my team did wrong and fix it for next time.

Im sry OZ that it had to come to this. but rules r rules. if me or anyone in my clan breaks a rule i would expect the same to happen to us.

And may the Force be with you. :D

"We had all but one of your guys on sensor. and where we all saw the shots come from b4 we were killed anyone in that area (witch there was one person.. IN THE HOUSE) would have been on the sensor. plus we had our guys in a place where we could see all side of the house where the other team could have shot us from."


This is simply inaccurate. I have tested this and the glitch does not prevent the offender from showing on map with sensors.

You also say that this is following the rules, but the rules themselves do not support your statement.  Any Battle League judgement based on this which does not adhere to a balanced application of the actual rules as written and available is suspect.

Idly mentioning in chat something about your predelection for saving replays has absolutely no bearing - and does not under any written rule  constitute a REPLAY request.  Nor do after match replay request to clan members that were not even in the CB.

For the BattleLeague to reach this judgement is highly suspect and a clear sign of snow balling politics rather than clear headed and unbiased adjudication based on objective rule set criteria.  I sincerely urge Battle League to reconsider this or face a major loss of credibilty that will not go unoticed or commented and will be severely detrimental to the standard of this competition.

the issue is closed. i'd suggest that you accept all BL admin's decision and leave this CB behind you. the season has just started, so there's enough time to recover points.

*DAMN Elandrion