*DAMN R6 Forum

What is up with all the newbies like Pyrex and Bigpat or whatever they're names be.  They reply to everything with pointless drivil.  This forum has never been high-class but this has got to be a new low.  I don't want to see bitching about how you can't use your special characters in your names (you can anyways, go to your profile and change it guys, you just can't have odd stuff when you sign up).  I can't put all the blame on the newbies though, even people who are more established are still watering it down.  At the moment we have about five threads that have a lot of common arguing going on (TacOps for example in a few of them).  Lets try to focus on some sort of threads with actual points or things to be said (like the classic gaming).

Until that time, the delete post button looks much more attractive.

Normally, I favor turning up the heat and letting the flame teach them not to play with fire. ?However, of late, I'm just not motivated. ?Maybe it's the lack of material to work with, maybe I'm just working too hard.

So, flame or delete away... the one thing I'll agree with is that many of the newbies need to learn not to come in with a chip on their shoulder. ?It's been said in dozens of posts.... Read back before you start calling out anyone here that's been around for a while. ?Because when it comes to a newbie with an attitude, I'll even back those here I don't like much (with an exception or two). ?After all, it's one thing to stand back and let Ace, Ass(assin), Zak or Ultimo argue... it's completely another to listen to someone nobody knows talk shit about guyst that have paid their dues...

Yes, I am a newbie to this forum. ?I understand that, and I am being apprehensive as I go along here. ?I am not a newbie to the GR community though, so please give me some credit there. ?But pointless drivil? ?I mean, this is a internet forum for christs sake, how high class do you expect it to be? ?I have tried to be as respectful as I possibly can be, so I dont really know what else you expect of me. ?Everyone is a newbie at one point or another, so please just try and be a bit more tolerant. ?You lashing out at me and Pyrex has done nothing but ?create more tension in the forum.

If you want us to talk about classic gaming, why dont you create a section just for it? ?I dont have much to say on that subject, and that really defeats the point of this being a R6/RS forum.

I have NEVER talked shit to the veterans on the forum, or on GameRanger. ?So please dont say that I have. ?I really dont appreciate you saying that when I have not done anything of the sort. ? This is the first time on the forum I have stood up to a vets like yourselves, and its ONLY in self defense.

while i agree with everything you guys said about  newbs marching in here commenting on something they have no idea about, i think bigpat has made some pretty thoughtfull posts, and hey, they're not as bad as some of the other forum newbs in the past. btw, pat you can edit your posts by hitting the modify button you NEWB :) also there is a thread on classic gaming ;)

oh and hey grift :)

Yeah, see the double post is exactly what I'm talking about Bigpat, get everything you want to say written or modify, don't just reply multiple times..

Bondo: The reason I replied twice was becuse I was still writing my post as Grifter posted his.  So didnt see Grifter's post until I put my first one up.  And no, I didnt think to edit my first post instead of putting up a second.  Given the same circumstances again, I would probably edit the first post.  But does it REALLY matter?  Talk about pointless drivil.

Well, I fixed the whole thing for you.  And about me using pointless drivel.  I'm achingly close to the magical 500 post mark so I am excused from that concern  ;)

It excuses you? Hell no. It only gives GRIFT, Wrath, and I more reason to go back and delete your oldest posts in order to decrease your post count. :P



No, I have never done this, even though I was tempted with Rom, so here is a pre-emptive stfu to zak. Then again, for a fellow mod, I may have to make an exception...

Well Ace, your pre-emptive stfu falls on deaf ears/blind eyes...zak claims that he is sick of the whole *DAMN site and what not and won't visit it ever again.

Ah yes, back to the topic of the Evil Influx of Newbies...

the only thing bigpat has really been guilty of is double posting (a classic forum newbie stunt) and Pyrex has been guilty of well, talking like he is "Mr Know-It-All" without reading back on other forum posts (another classic newbie stunt)

While many might find this dynamic dup anooying, they are no worse than Romulus when he wasnt a newbie (was he ever considered not a newbie  ???)

Well assassin hopefully you'll read THIS post and discover that I've made an apology to you, ace, bondo, grifter, and to anyone else who's toes I stepped on....I wish not to be like zak or romulus and I ask that you please not refer to me that way....again...I'm sorry for what I said and I hope you accept my apology....

-?(uNt?P?rex-

Lol Ace, remember how pissed Rom was when he kept getting 501 but then going down to 499?  That was the most fun I've had as a moderator.  I stopped only because Rom just posted more to complain and so it was a lost cause but he certianly had enough shit posts to bring him down a hundred or so.  I don't think you'd find more than 15 or so that could really be considered deleteable.

I kept him down to 120 or so back when he first came around?

For those who don't know, zak was permabanned for actually standing up to Evill.

He made a few stupid moves in his carrying out of that, but I actually think he had a point.

Telling Evill to stick a stick up his ass wasn't quite the best move zak has ever made?

I do not want to sound like an ass but zak was a good RS player with a loud mouth. He was basically a good kid. I didn't know he got banned permanently from GR? Anyways I have had enough of Evill's "holier than thou" attitude! Evill cannot argue with anyone and when the shit hits the fan he simply bans you! Wtf is up with that? He banned me for 30 mins once because I asked him if MSN had OSX drivers for my intellimouse explorer...he called me a dumbass and I asked why, he said yes it does have a driver...I said I don't think so cause I couldn't find one...instead of helping me out, he banned me... So you know what? Evill is an idiot. Then again so was zak...but zak was a good idiot...

dont ?you guys got anything better to do than complain those two are newbies but they got to learn dont rack on them so hard tell them what is up and  if they are to stupid to comprehend it then its time to laugh, ?but ease back ?let newbies be newbies!! Gives us someting to laugh at hehe ?ahighhtttt

Sorry for being a newb!!!! ::)

{ useless moderator crap deleted -wrath}

A few things, the reason in the long run that zak got permabanned, is that he was permahigh.  I don't believe I ever talked to him on GR when he didn't seem stoned.

But I still agree Evill is an ass, but I'm smart enough not to talk to him at all.  When I'm on GR I'm minding my own business.

you suck bondo. leave the damned newbies alone. i have seen a great number of people double post (including some of you faggot moderators (err.. not u wrath)) you think ur so fucking great. "i am the ?ber-modertor" "hahahaha" "i almost have 500 posts!" "hahahahahhah"  "i'm a fucking loser".
now for zak. from what i've heard, zak deserved what he got. as much of a dick as kevill is, it's his damn program. just leave him alone, and he'll leave u alone. (unless u insist upon playing pirated mods, like bt.) zak was standing up against evill over piracy. that was dumbass. it's just a damned shame evill doesn't ban everyone who plays bt etc. although that would really mess swat over. (hahahahahhahah) damn pirates....

Kind of intresting that zak hasn't posted anything on the matter about him yet...

Intresting...  I didnt really know him, but from what you guys are saying, maybe thats a good thing. :)

(check out the edited post) ?;)

Spaz, you are taking me way too seriously, about 80% of what I say is said in jest.

Bigpat, I don't know if you read but zak isn't reading the forums anymore.  He quit out of the community completely it would appear.

First to Bigpat, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention you...  just talking to Bondo about an influx of newbies that do talk shit (and dweebs that act like newbies... aka spaz).  I have no beef with you (other then double posts, but that's been covered by other moderators).  My post speaks for itself (about how I personally prefer to take care of posts that offend my personal sense of judgement, and how many newbies have been showing up with attitudes).

Second to Pyrex, you've appologized, good enough for now, as long as you've learned it works for me.

Last to spazzy, dear little spazzy...... this is the third time I've heard you give shit to SWAT.  Don't confuse us with the butt pirates you dream about.  I understand that you have few friends, and it makes perfect sense with what I've seen of you, but lets not have you drop down to the level of Rom with the petty little name calling, eh?  Or do you and me need to go around on this again...

Is Romulus even around anymore?.......Maybe he's scared to post because you guys would toast him  ;)

Oh and yes Rom aka Assaholic is a total jackass....I've talked to him before and he says the most annoying things that really piss you off..... (i know i've said some things but I'm sorry for saying them)

Now, all of u talk about the countless newbie yakkin, which i agree, BUT!

we were once all newbies....and...

one could argue the point that on every thread the moderators and those who have been here for a while countlessly babble about something they no nothing about. Using big words  that they proabably don't even know what they mean. How many of u use "pre-emptive" in a normal conversation with your friends? or even "babble" or better yet "ignorance"....lol

But enough of that...i remember  when i used to write garbage on here...I think that happens with everyone when they start on the forums cause they are excited, but after finding out how boring this place really is, they dull down just like all of us have...hahaha ;D

Fiddlefaddle Dest, I opine with verbosity regularly.   Don't be a petifogger or I will have to roil you.  Anyone else for dictionary games?

all right grifter. i have seen many members or ur clan playing bt and that other pirated mod. that is the reason i called members of ur clan pirates. it has nothing to do with ur homo-erotic fantasies.
petty name calling? hmm...
" (and dweebs that act like newbies... aka spaz)"  

i called no petty names. only pirates, which is what everyone who plays those mods is.
u need to proofread ur posts before hitting the post button, cause that last one just made u sound like a idiot looking to pick a fight with a hormonal teenager. pitiful.

My dear little spazzy, maybe you should think before you post.  I'd be more then happy to argue how people that play the BT mod on Macintosh's are NOT PIRATES.  The BT demo is a free demo, and porting it to the mac may be questionable, but not pirating.  And if I own BT for the pc, then modding it for a mac is also not pirating.

On the ethical side of things: Playing BT on a mac is not taking one dime out of the pockets of those game developers, since they are not selling it to us anyway.  In this way, it's just like how Canadians can NOT pirate satellite TV, because the courts have ruled that since Direct TV does not offer it's services for sale in Canada, that hacking that signal down is not piriting or stealing (since they chose not to extend the service, and there is no loss in revenue).

So, if Ubisoft wants to make an issue of it, that's for Ubisoft to do.  Saying that anyone that uses the BT demo mod is a pirate is like saying anyone that even speaks about hotline is a pirate (which also seem to be Evils' standards).

The one thing I can agree with is that yes, you are a pitiful hormonal teenager.

they aren't jsut playing a ported demo grifter. they have a full version. that is piracy. weather or not ubisoft plans on porting these mods to mac is inconsiquential. also, even if u have bt for pc, i belive it would be piracy for u to play it on mac. i dunno though. it seems shady. like if someone has r6 or rs for pc, can they just dl it for mac? is that legal? i don't think so. maybe wrath can help me out, he is knowledgeable about such things. oh wait, so ur saying if everyone has bt for pc, and ports it themselves, it's not piracy? maybe. i duuno. still seems wrong.

As the product BT is not available for Mac, those who mod their purchased copies to play on Mac are not pirates.  You are entitled to use the software you buy in anyway you wish personally.  It's called fair use.  So no, people who play BT are not necessarily pirates.  Only if they don't own the product do they fall into that category.  Also the BT Demo is in no way pirateable as it is free and thus free to use.  About your R6/RS hypothetical, as it is available for Mac, you must buy it for mac to play it on Mac.

so, suddenly when bt becomes availiable for mac, all those people will become pirates? the people i was talking about don't, i know for a fact, have the pc version.

grifter: i missed this the first time, but ur an ass for trying to insult me by agreeing with a statement i made.

"The one thing I can agree with is that yes, you are a pitiful hormonal teenager. "

and what is with ur obsession with romulus? u mention him in every second post. from the outside looking in, it'd seem that u two have some sort of umm..... connection.

My dear little spazzy, once again, you know not what you talk about.

First, you know nothing for a "fact" when it comes to which games I own, or that of many of my clan mates.  you have an opinion.  A wrong opinion.

I don't even have the full BT mod for the mac, just the demo.  And, wow, what's this, I do own the full PC version of BT!  But how can that be, little spazzy says that I don't, so he must be right.  

Unless you've been to the homes of each of us, I don't think you know what we own and what we don't.  

As for being pirates the day that BT is released for the Mac... only if someone plays it then without buying it.

Also, you jump on SWAT for a mod that I haven't played in months.  If you have a beef with a player in SWAT, then call them out.  I try not to judge all the SIX by you (which is good for them).  SWAT didn't create this mod, why single us out?  Maybe because you are the pitiful hormonal teenager of which you spoke.  

Yes, I am an Ass, and I stand in good company there!  As for why I compared you to Rom, because he has been the biggest dumbass in the forums, and you seem to be after the title.  Accusing a clan of being a bunch of pirates based upon what you've said so far is just you being a dumbass.  

And you can't say I didn't warn you.

Grift, your posts are too funny.. very dramatic..



Ouch, and using his nickname to put him down..

Also, may I ask why you own BT? Besides playing it on the Mac..

Really..pirating software is a victimless crime, they have enough money anyway.

And plus who buys things anymore???...my Hard drive is basically stolen and I am proud of it. Would u go out and spend 600 bucks on Photoshop, when your friend is offering it to you??...i think not...

And spaz, if u download Mp3's, which u prabably do, your a hipocrite because your stealing just like we are, maybe not programs, but u are stealing LISENCED merchendise...and that merchendise probably has a larger $$$ ?value then what we are stealing, so u can't argue this point, because of your hipocracy.

I think u better read over your post before hitting that "post" button spaz.

So if anyone would plz send me th BT demo...that would be apprecitated...m/b this will save the RS world for a bit.

This is Destructo serial number Alpha 2 Beta Tango 5MazdaSpeed...signing out...

.....pssssssstttt......(<==radio static)

Dest, if companies price things right I think it is wrong to steal from them and in no way victimless.  On the other hand $18 for a CD or triple digit prices on software is absurd.  Take office for example.  All it is is an average word processor, spreadsheet maker, presentation bit, and an e-mail program.  All of which Apple give an almost equal version for free, but Microsoft charges hundreds of dollars for it.  But I will always pay for a game as $40 is an acceptable price.

Whatever else one may pirate - buy Mac games. It's the only way to keep what's already a tiny market even vaguely viable.

And I WANT Rainbow Six: Three, Dammit! NOW!

Or at least now in Mac terms which is about April 2013.

Toby

when did i say that u have it grifter? i never said anything about you. all i said was many of ur clan mates. oso i am sure. he admitted as much. and i have seen others playing it. plus, anyone who has a pc and plays rs for mac is a dumbass.  ang i shit on swat because i hate you, i hate oso, i used to hate matt, and i am pissed at wrath. and most of what i say is in jest anyway, as most people should be able to see.
and dest, i dont dl mp3's anymore, and even if i did, it wouldn't be screwing the mac gaming market out of games, so stfu.

"And plus who buys things anymore...my Hard drive is basically stolen and I am proud of it. Would u go out and spend 600 bucks on Photoshop, when your friend is offering it to you??...i think not..."

do you think in my mp3 downloading days i dled $600 worth of songs? hah. you shouldnt assume that everyone pirates.

My guess is that any of you who are calling other people pirates are all a bunch of flaming hypocrites. I would wager some damn good money that everyone here has some software or mp3's they don't have the license for. I'll admit that I technically am a pirate for having Word 2001. (Well, I''m not a pirate anymore as my dad installed Office X on his computer, so you could say he gave me Office 2001.) You guys who try to justify it by saying they charge too much money for their products are just as bad. They do all the work to make their programs or music, and they can sell it for however much they wish. If you have such a big problem with it, DON'T BUY IT.

As for the BT issue, I'm just happy I'm not around for that and don't have to deal with it. (Translation: I have no clue what I'm talking about, so I'm going to shut up)

My guess is that you are a flaming homosexual, ace. how much would you bet?

I'm sure your mom would lay some money down against that.

... my mom would put down money against the fact that i dont have any warez? what?

My god you are a bunch of whining babies.  Pyrex...Bigpat, I take it back, you guys are acting mature, my post was refering to the stupid posting of Ace and spaz.

(No offense Ace, normally you are mature enough, more than can be said of spaz).

fuck you bondo. wtf is wrong with my posts?

Software companies can sell their products at a price they want but there has to be a limit. Take virtual drummer 4 for example.......All that program does is allow you to mix drum sounds together to make a beat.....how exciting.....and lets say that the software company wants to sell it for $25.00.......I say that's a bit much for a program that makes drum sounds......Same goes for Office....the programs aren't user friendly and are full of a bunch of useless crap (that's Microsoft for ya)....they have no reason to sell it at that high a price.

First, to my dear littly spazzy, if you look back there, you'll notice my comments, and your own, in which you directed the comments at SWAT.  Not at Oso, but at SWAT.  If you wanted to comment on Oso, you should have been specific.  By calling SWAT's pirates (you did insinuate that), you called me a pirate.  And if no one here can recognize your sense of humor, you don't have one.  I mean, we aren't laughing at you.... er... strike that, yes we are.  Oh, and as for being a dumbass for playing RS with all these fun people, that should make you some friends you little spaz.  I play RS on the Mac becase A) I like using my Mac more then PC's and B) I really enjoy the Mac gaming community much more then the PC gaming community.  Guess you are the dumbass Spazzy.  Do us all a favor and get that PC you seem to want.

Wrath,
dramatic?  maybe a little.  I've been traveling for a couple of weeks and I am a bit cranky.  Why do I have BT for the PC.... let's not forget that I have more then the Macs.  I also have two PC's.  And what better to do on planes or in airports then kill a few terrorists? heh.

Also, I couldn't pass up a good bit of assing.  Sticking to the theme of this thread, I haven't had the chance to do any good assing of late.  Ace and Blackhand haven't been keeping up their end of it either.  So, I figured it was time.

Ace, Bondo, Dest and others,
Ace, you'd come close to giving me money on this one.  I have paid for every piece of software and shareware (yes, I pay shareware fees) on this iBook at this very moment (I don't D/L MP3's, not my thing).  Where I'd lose is that I haven't paid for all 4 copies I have out there.  So when my wife is using Word, it's technically a pirated copy (since I only paid for the one liscense).  

Now, I'm not a saint, I just have my own moral standards that I like to stick to.  I believe in the world as a shareware model.  I will download new software to try out.  I do it all the time.  But if I keep it, I go out and buy it.  I just like to try things before I buy them.  But if I'm going to use them, I want to support their development.  

As for you guys whining about the price of software, you obviously have no idea what it costs to develop in the real world.  I mean, my current project has a $6,000,000.00 price tag, just for development and the tools (yes, that's six million US dollars).  And the scarry thing is that it's not that complicated of a project.  It should only take us 4 months to do or so.  It's not just paying the developers, it's about the servers, hardware, and development tools (now THOSE are EXPENSIVE).  We pay over $100,000 a year just for the object modeling software that we use.  It costs big money to develop, test, and manufacture software.  And if you think some programs are too expensive, I'm sure you can find cheaper alternatives (ie GraphicsConverter instead of PhotoShop, or AppleWorks instead of MS Office).

Also, I realize that I have a real job and make real money, and that most of you are students that don't.  But have you ever seen the discounts Apple gives to students???  It's the same one my wife gets as a teacher (and that I lean upon every time I need something).  Filemaker, Final Cut Pro, MS Office and WebObjects are all discounted more then 50% (I've picked up most at 75% off).  Universities have even better deals usually.

" it's just a damned shame evill doesn't ban everyone who plays bt etc. although that would really mess swat over. (hahahahahhahah) damn pirates.... "

that is all i said about swat in general grifter. that does not insinuate that all swat warezes. i also said that i have seen many members playing the full version of bt. i also know that a couple swats warezed r6.  (and i'm pretty sure they got it from a third swat)
and stop calling me ur dear little spazzy. u sound like an old lady. or a fag.
i have no desire to have a pc. all i said was that if you have one, why would u be playing rs on a mac. i too love the mac gaming community, and almost everything to do with macs. but if i *did* have a pc, i would be screwing around playing rs (that was a sorry attempt at humor, as i find rs to be the most worthless pos i have ever encountered).  not when there are some sweet games (halflife) for pc.

"Oh, and as for being a dumbass for playing RS with all these fun people, that should make you some friends you little spaz."
could u translate that into english for me?

yeah... i wasn't serious when i said wrath gave me R6, i even said so

You are evil, Matt.

I have never once sent one of my games to someone else.

I don't know about lady or fag, but Grift is old.  Probably the elder of all of us here.

OMG THE LIEZ!! D4 W0TT SENT ME THE PIRATED N3TFUNGUS!!

My dear, dear, little spazzy....

I call you my dear little spazzy because I've been told that when talking to a 3 year old, they respond better that way, and I figured that if you, my dear little spazzy, continue to act and write like a small child, the I should treat you accordingly.  

Now, in your first statement there, you call SWAT a bunch of damn pirates.  You'll notice in my post that I say this is the thrid time I've seen you post that trash, and I'm not letting it go this time.  You've said it in other threads as well.  Now, since I am a member of SWAT, it does reflect on me.  As for you knowing that a couple of SWAT's warezed R6, bullshit.  You don't KNOW anything.  You THINK they did.  Big difference.  Also, that's 2 of 11 guys.  Assuming you are right, how does that make SWAT a bunch of pirates?  Using your logic, Six would be a bunch of dumbasses (since you are, and you all must be since you are in the clan)!!  The word is stereotype.  That's what you were doing, and that's why YOU are a dumbass.  You THINK two guys in SWAT are pirates, then go ahead and post that.  Name them.  But to cast that net over the whole clan (which you have done, and not just in this thread) shows how ignorant you are, little spaz.  Guess you just wanted to live up to your name...

Hehe, I love the irony of spaz calling another clan pirates when I can count a bunch of instances where SiX's pirated various games.

Anyone else here ever taped a show off of TV?  Well then, you're a pirate.  Or even worse, taped a movie when you rent it (pay-per view to tape much).

Actually Bondo, I'm pretty sure you can tape TV shows. I believe they have the same disclaimers as sporting events. Something along the line of "Any copy or re-broadcast of this telecast other than for personal use is strictly prohibited."

Maybe so, for example, if I tape said show and someone else missed it, am I allowed to copy it onto a different tape and send it to him (with the other person paying for the expenses?).  As long as I don't make a profit I don't see the legal difference between me taping it and copying it for a friend as both of us taping it seperately.

LOOK ASSHOLE. WHAT I SAID WAS THAT IF EVILL BANNED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO PLAYED THE FULL BT MOD, SWAT WOULD BE MESSED OVER. because matt, oso, and a few others would be gone. and since u never come on, and i have seen mb 3 other members of swat, it would just be wrath. and swat would be messed over. ok? that make sence to you asshole?

and, THEY FUCKING TOLD ME THEY WAREZED R6. now they are changing their stories. i just dont know why they would lie, and say they did, if hey didnt.

My dear little spazzy... living up to you name again I see (by spazzing out).

As I said, you've thrown a FEW insults at SWAT lately.  since you never mentioned NAMES in them, but catagorized SWAT as a 'bunch of pirates', that includes all of us (because that's how you've said it, not matter what you were thinking).  

Second, I go back to the fact that you just don't know.  You don't know if Matt has the PC version, you assume he doesn't.  You also assume that Wrath (the guy who PREACHES against pirating all the time) gave his copies to others...  time to get your head out of your ass, because all that's coming out is bullshit little spaz.  Except for a little business trip I just got back from (for two weeks), I'm on GR quite frequently (again, you talking out of your ass).  So are some other SWATS.  You seem to be forgetting Civ and Kyo and Swifty, who were on all the time before my trip, so I can't speak for the past couple of weeks.  As for why they would lie to you about it... it's called 'yanking your chain'.  You are a large pain in the ass (I'm guessing because when you don't have your head up your own ass, you are trying to fit it up someone elses).  They know you have a hard-on about it, so they yanked your chain.  That's so hard to figure out?

Spazzy, maybe we should take up a collection to get a gril to spend some time with you.  You really need to take the edge off.  I'm assume it would cost quite a bit, but I'll throw in $50.  Come one guys, it may be the only time he gets kissed, let alone maybe a hand release (well, from another person, er, well a girl anyway).  

Ace, you are correct on the TV shows.  Home use is fine.  Giving a friend the tape to watch is fine if it is intact (in other words, all the commercials are there).  Yes, I actually did read the fine print once.  PPV is probably different.  It probably is technically illegal to tape a PPV movie and give it to a friend (since it is lost revenue to the movie distributer).  Now, taping Hockey Night in Canada here and sending it my buddies that moved to Texas is fine, because they can't get it in their market, and Grapes would understand that they miss Coaches Corner. =P (my Canadian friends here will understand that).

lol cant wait to see round 2 this is getting really funny does  spaz jab with the left or hook with the right or wait wait ref throw in the towel ehhe this is gettting HISTARICAL!! ;D ;D ;D

May I be the first to admit that I and my trusted gaming buddy who will remain unnamed have pirated many hundreds of dollars worth of software.  In fact, I believe all of our copies of R6 and RS are illegal.  We are bad people.

Sure it's illegal, but so is speeding.

Sure it's immoral, but so is sex.

Accept it, move on.  If you want to pay for all your software, if you want to buy CDs for every MP3 you download, go ahead, I respect you all the more for it. The simple fact of the matter is this: I'm a full time student who gets only $6.70 when he does work.  I can't afford the software prices. (Though I will say when I want a whole CD instead of copying it I buy it, if only to support the band)

Preciousroy,

you pay for CD's to support the bands you like... why?  You want them to continue to produce the great tunes you like.  It's the same with software (especially with the mac, and even more so with shareware).  You like a program, you want them to continue to churn out the good stuff.  Nobody really works for free.  We all have to eat.  And it costs a big bag of money to develop software.  

I don't pay for my shareware because it's the legal thing to do, I do it to support the developers, so they can keep the hits coming.  

Oh, and sex isn't immoral.  If you do it right, it can be a religous experience!  (unless you were talking to little spazzy, where it is immoral, because there is just something wrong with sex with animals).

Also, I'm not saint Grifter.  When I was in school, and had no money, I didn't pay for all (hell, not even half) of the software I used.  I just hadn't figured it out back then.  That people don't develop for the Mac as much, because there just isn't the money in it.  And the more we pirate, the less money there is in it, and the less they'll develop.  And don't forget that apple does give out that HUGE discount to students for software, take advantage of it.  Have your parents take advantage of it.

This isn't directed at you Roy, but I've heard a bunch of bitching from the Mac gammers here about how the good games never come out on the Mac... of if they do, it's 2 years later.  Well, remember that next time you D/L that copy of Red Faction or Rogue Spear.  I'll promise you that the first thing UbiSoft is going to look at when deciding weather to port RS3 to the Mac is how much money did R6 and RS make.  So, if you can pay for them, please, do pay for them.  It helps us all.  

Grift, it's not sex with animals, it's sex with JohnNothing, who left to go on a pilgrimage to Singapore and NEVER CAME BACK THE BASTARD

a quotation from spaz: "it only hurts the first time"

I use people like Grifter as my moral justification for using preciousroy as my role model.  While you're puzzling over that sentence, I'll tell you why.

If any of you may have wondered why I can't host RS games....and I'm just guessing at why Bondo can't either.....it might have something to do with the ways in which the game was obtained.  However, I believe Grift justifies this, because when I am old and have money then I will be able to be just as saintly as Grift.  In the meantime, however, I need to accumulate some sins so that there will be something for me to atone for later in life.  

Also, there is something delightful in screwing something much bigger than you.   (another spaz quote, but I'm using it to refer to the warm feeling you get from robbing the recording industry, and even the stingy mac developers that take 5 years to port a game)

...not that I have any right to complain, but I will anyway.



By the way, as I remember hearing about it....when VHS was a new technology like Mp3s are now, I believe there was just as much furor over whether taping shows should be allowed.  Of course, since there was no way to enforce any kind of ban....the technology stayed, which is why we continue to download music at such delightfully strong rates.   Perhaps warez will be next?

lol loud.

Right on all fronts,including the point about when VCR's (not VHS) first came out.

And like I said, back then, 15 years ago or so, I didn't pay for much either.  But I also didn't know the effect on the industry it could have.  So, for the programs you really really like, make sure you pay for those (somehow).  Every little bit helps.  

What are you hinting at you bastard  ;), I paid the full price for my version of RS right when it came out (well, actually it was a birthday gift)  The reason I can't host (in any game) is because my internet runs through a software router, thus no hosting.

Bondo, I have three letters for you... DMZ.  I used to host all the time with a software router.  Let's talk.

I'm listening

"(unless you were talking to little spazzy, where it is immoral, because there is just something wrong with sex with animals)."

you are confused grifter. when people say your mom is a bitch, they dont mean she's actually a canine.

Hahah, I must admit, very well done spaz. I'm quite surprised, but hey, even Rafael Belliard hit a home run occasionally.

Or Ace, an even better example, even the Nuggets win some basketball games.

Actually, no. Of course, I'm guessing by your response you don't even know who Rafael Belliard was.

lol ace

Maybe I am confused... I didn't realize that it was really your father you were bending over and taking it from... an honest mistake (some of the sounds were so primal, you would have thought it was an animal... guess you just really enjoyed it). Now, I understand that whole "who's your daddy" thing that was going on between the two of you. But is "Not yet, last longer you slut...I'm almost there..." really the proper way to address you dad?? I mean, ok, to each his own... but that was disturbing.

Does he still play for the Braves?

ummm.... nice try grifter, but that sucked.
bondo, he retired a few years ago.

So spaz, that means his chance of hitting a home run has now gone up right?  ;D