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Cutter brought up this question in the Columbine thread and I thought it was interesting. It is a thought that I'm sure crosses everyone's mind at some point. I know many of you own guns or at least know how to use them, so this should produce some interesting results. What would you do?

Shoot to kill IF i felt that my life was threatened

if i catch someone on my lawn i shoot to wound (kids fetching balls, the mailman, door to door salesmen), if your in my house i aim for the head. I usually don't shoot people in public anymore, because i'm in college and it gets expensive to replace guns after i clean them and throw them in the harbor.

well actually that part isn't true,
but if my life was threatened i'd shoot to kill, or beat someone to death with the butt of the gun.

To me, it all really depends on the circumstances.

In my case, I'd have to assume the burglar was armed and dangerous, because he'd have killed three large dogs to be there still.  So, assuming he wasn't lying in a bloody heap from the dogs, yeah, I'd probably figure he was too dangerous and pop him (not to mention being pissed as hell about the dogs).  

Then again, with our dogs, I only expect to find a blood trail.  =D  We don't even lock our doors when we aren't home.

You steal you get shot :)

only if it was a minority i would shoot to kill and if my life was threatened, nm id shoot anyone and kill, how awesome would it be to kill someone and NOT get in trouble, that would pwn all

Of course it depends on the situation, but down here home invasions happen all the time. I'd like to say that I'd take out his kneecaps and talk to him about it for a while before i called the cops. but if it ever does happen it'll probably happen in the wee hours, i honestly dont have the best aim, i have big clips, and a nasty temper so it'll probably be a kill.
This reminds me bout a retired fireman that lived up the street when i lived in naples...late one night two guys were tryin to steal the outboard motor off his boat (trailered in the driveway), the fireman woke up and blew the one guy away with a shotgun, the other guy got shot and the cops caught him later. mb the victim being a retired fireman had something to do with it, but the D.A. charged (sucessfully btw) the surviving burglar with the murder of his buddy.

.....and justice for all...

Yeah, I was going to make the prompt more specific when I saw the first few responses and realized that the respondents were making different assumptions about the nature of the perpetrator. Then I realized that it also adds another interesting dimension to the question for it to be somewhat vague, which is the assumptions people make about criminals or people that attack their home. I now realize that this is the best possible question, because if I specified whether or not the attacker was armed or dangerous it would bias the results too much to make it uninteresting. After all, you don't really know anything in the heat of the moment besides your present sense impressions, which due to the stress and timing of such a situation probably wouldn't be very good or accurate anyway, causing one to assume. So there's the thought process behind the question.

I said that I wouldn't shoot the person under any circumstances. This is however under a different assumption than most of you made, which is the assumption that I would be able to flee the scene unmolested by the attacker. If he was armed, had me cornered, and intended to harm me, I would shoot him (although not intending to kill, merely intending to wound so that I could escape and call the 5-0).

If there is something in his hands that looks anywhere near threatening, I am going to put him down.

Edit: Point being that you haven't the foggiest idea how far he may take it, whether or not he is just going to steal, or whether or not he may do harm to your loved ones. In the eyes of the law, you are allowed to shoot at him if he is in your house, and I would be willing to do it to be on the safe side...rather be safe than sorry.

Nice Thread Tasty Cakes ;)

I would shoot to kill if i thought i was indanger, just like brian.  Though I do believe I could kill anyone, I have thought this..lets say I was an assassin...killing evil men or women that hurt others would suit me fine, yet i dont know if i could kill an innocent person. Reminds me of the movie "The Replacment Killers"

I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.  :-[

So does this mean i just need 3 big steaks for the dogs to steal the xserve!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!

Better bring more then 3.  The biggest dog can finish a 16oz steak before you'd even leave the first room looking for the X-server.

Tasty, one more point.  In reality, if I came home to find an intruder, I couldn't shoot them, because they'd most likely be between me and my gun safe.

Wat would you do if they killed a family or friend would you kill them and their family for revenge or just kill them Jw btw.  ;)

By the way this question was asked, I would shoot to wound because it didn't mention a weapon of any sort threatening your life. But if there was a weapon in the persons hand(s), they better have been praying lately....

That's why you need to hit up those new conceal and carry laws slim.  8)

     My first reaction was to shoot to wound, because I don't want to be responsible for killing someone. However, I'd rather not shoot at all, because I've seen a man shot and I don't want to inflict that on anyone. Thinking it through in a leisurely fashion, a luxury I wouldn't have if the situation ever arose, I decided that I would shoot to kill. If he leaves the scene alive, there's a very good chance he'd be able to sue me on some grounds or other (not warning him I was armed or someshit), whereas if he's dead, there'd be none of that.

Tasty, if I lived in a shitty neighborhood, or carried a lot of cash, or found myself in shitty neighborhoods, then I probably would.  They are easy to get around here now.

If it's not a big guy or he is not armed, I would probably just beat the shit out of him, preferably with a baseball bat. For someone armed or big enough to put up a real fight, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot to wound.

Bucc - I know Jewb is skinny, but if I come in after the dogs have finished the steak and are busy eating him alive, do you think that would buy me enough time to jack the XServe and Cube?

i would never shoot anybody, because a) it's not that easy to get a gun in Austria, and b) 'cause i'm not allowed to get a gun licence until i'm 35 since i did my civil service instead of serving in the army, and c) 'cause  i've seen enough in my servica as paramedic to never ever hurt anyone physically.

Ace, Duncan, the biggest dog, weighs in at a over 215lbs.  And he's underweight (for a Mastiff).  So while he finishes off Jeb (which wouldn't take long) you would only have to deal with a 125lbs German Shepherd and a 70lbs Greyhound.  I don't think you have a prayer.  I'd be afraid to even try shooting Duncan, it would probably just piss him off.  I told Deadeye I was going to have a saddle made for him so Madeline can take him out for rides.  (you want a scary sight, walk in to find Deadeye sleeping next to Duncan on the couch)

Elandrion, some people just need to be hurt.  And why does it feel so good to hurt them =D

The way I see it, if ANYONE enters my home without my permission, especially late at night or when they think I'm not around, I would shoot to kill. There's no valid reason for them to be there, and I would just have to assume they were going to harm me. Even if they're small and puny, I wouldn't try to take them down unarmed, because you never know if they have a gun hidden somewhere. Shoot first, ask questions later. If I had a family, you know I'd shoot him about 10 times, just to be safe. My family and my own safety mean a lot more to me then the life of some bastard who's trying to steal my hard-earned money and luxuries (not that I have any haha). I don't know if I'd shoot them or give them a chance to give up, but I'd probably just shoot, for safety purposes. If it turns out the person was innocent somehow, tough luck. They broke into my house and looked mighty suspicious. Anyhoo, just my 2 cents. Flame away. =D

 Yea my friend was robbed to not long ago and he tried to shoot him, but he missed. The guy got away with nothing. and was later cought.

What if it is your friends, trying to throw you a surprise party? That would suck if you shot your friends.

I would shoot to kill kill kill.  I would do anything possible to protect myself, my family, and my property.  At least here in the U.S., with our justice system, the perpetrator could be released at any time.  This means he could remember who got him busted the first time and he could want revenge or he just thought my stuff was so nice he would try again.

I say take away the thought in the back of my head knowing that he might just come back, and replace it with, I know where his grave is.


 ::)

Duh. Walking in to your best friend messing around with your dog has to be a bit disturbing. (Yes, tell Deadeye I said that.)

heh bucc, i had to be a bit drastic here. I rather meant that i'd never point a weapon at another human trying to hurt/shoot/kill.


ps: you don't have to be physically violent to hurt someone who deserves to be hurt...

Hah, I'd still shoot them if it wasn't on my birthday. Can't trust friends these days. ;)

Buc -

Where did you say you lived again?

- J47

Ace, it's disturbing enough when they are both just asleep airing their nuts.  I don't need a visual of anything worse.  

Elandrion, but it's so much more satisfying to hear the crunch when you do physically harm them.  

j47, just outside Detroit.  Feel free to stop by, the dogs could use a snack.  It would save me some money in dog food.

I'd shoot if I had to, otherwise, why would I want to make such a mess? Blood doesn't really come off stuff easily...

I, much like Elandarion, could not intentionally or non-inententionally harm a person.

I'd opt to run my ass off and get to a phone.

Never.

I'd never have a gun at home, but if I did I wouldn't shoot anyone because people who break into houses in Sweden are never armed. If they were armed I'd shoot them in the shoulder or so, that is if I knew how to aim.

In Texas you come in someones house you are most likely going to get shot thats they way it is. And if you kill some one you no how much we love the to give the injection so Texas = not good place to break in and try to kill or rob ect.

The only wat I'd shott someone is if my life or that of my family was in eminent danger. You fuck with kids, you die. You fuck with my family, you die. Other than that if you shhot someone in your house you will still most likely be charged with attempted murder. Sadly vigilante justice is'nt tolerated. look at that guy back about 15 years ago in NYC, he was getting robbed on a subway by seven guys with screwdrivers, he unloaded on them and they sent him to jail.

Here in Minnesota they just passed the conceal and carry law, all you have to do is take gun safety classes and you can legally carry a sidearm. Makes the thugs think twice about muggin people, still to shoot someone you would have to be in grave danger, I'd hate to mistakenly take someones life.

actually hustler...if someone enters your house you have the right to shoot. in every state in america. I remember the case in the subway and just about everybody thought he got the shaft. Had he been in his house it would have been a different story. And how if somebody enters your home while your sleeping, do you know what he or they intend to do to you or your family? Unfortunatly most home invasions aren't always just burglaries. Assault, rape, murder, child abduction are all to common nowadays. Once they enter your house you have a choice...wait and find out what their intentions are or let them know exactly what your intentions are. It's a pretty easy call in my eyes...lay on the floor duct-taped watching your wife or kid get beaten and raped...or watch the stupid crackhead bleed to death while you call the cops.

*failure to prepare is preparing to fail
*when you lose control of a dangerous situation...you lose
*i'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six

I'm not a gun crazy american, i'm not a member of the nra. (they're all cops). but this is the exact situation that was in mind when the right to bear arms was written. to protect your family and home. every action in life has a reaction..if you post porn or pirate in gr you get banned, if you fight at school you get suspended, if you come into my house uninvited you get.....exactly what you deserved.

Fuck shooting them. If I was going to nearly kill another person I would do a good job of it. First I stab out their eyes, then I would cut off their ears and tounge. After that I would take a pair of pliers and rip out random teeth. Then I would grab the gun i was supposed to be shooting with and pistol whip them into unconciousness. Finally I would shoot out their knee-caps and kick them in the balls with some steel toed boots.

Haha, I don't think you'd be able to get away with that, Overthrow. That's less self-defense and more like kidnapping and torture. lol.

Another quick note on this.  Best weapon for home protection, if it comes to it, is a shotgun.  Much better to make sure you don't miss, and more stopping power.  It does limit your options.  You don't really get to shoot to wound someone with a 12ga at 10 feet.  You can aim for their knees, but taking a leg clean off, they'd probably bleed to death anyway.

Load a gun with rubber bullets, beanbags, pepper pellets ; all can be loaded into a shottie....that's enough to put the threat down. after you've called the PD though. That's the method i'd choose.

JN

Ok, my turn.  It sounds easier than it is.  I've aimed a gun at someone before, not in my home, do any of you hunt and know that feeling you get when you put your sights on that buck you've been waiting for all season?  Well, it's like that but multiplied a few times.  On the other hand, if somebody came into my house, I have my mind set allready that they are there to harm my children or wife, not to steal something.  Unfortunately I would still have the disadvantage being armed because you have to make sure it isn't someone you know, family, friend, neighbor, etc... being there for some reason with no ill intent, whatever that may be.  But, with all that said and done I would not have a problem with shooting to kill with my .357 very close to my bedside ;).  I remember when me and my wife first moved out together, I took her to the shooting range many times so she would know what to do if she ever had to.  And when my kids get old enough they'll be taught as well.  You have to protect your own 'cause the police wont be there to do it 99.9% of the time.  And to coment on someone elses post, I'm in the NRA and I'm not a cop.  

you're a hick

You guys are fuckin paranoid. 9 times out of 10 when someone illegally enters a home they want to avoid contact with any of the residents as much as possible.

I believe it's "my wife AND I."

Hell Yeah. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/rambo.gif)

Blow me!  I believe it's just Blow me.   ;D

I believe it's "BELOW ME"  :o

I voted "I would shoot to kill".

Was there any doubt?[/size]

Well, have you ever killed anyone, GS?

Shoot him, naaa, probably go and kick hiss ass before sitting on him till the Police arrived... but you don't freaking shoot someone for robbing your house. - of cause all this is totally hyperthetical - there are so many vairable that could alter the situation its rediculose to say "yes" or "no"

I would shoot to wound, or kill if I couldn't help, if me, my friends, my family, or my mac were in danger. Or if it was my duty such as the military.

Your duty to kill ?

Not duty to kill, but if I was given orders to. Otherwise I would not.

Oh, and semi on topic, I would NEVER stab anyone under any circumstances. I can't ever think about getting stabbed either. Ugh.

woah nelly woah.

so you would kill someone if you were ordered to do it - you wouldn't question the motive?
And youd shoot someone but you wouldn't stab them?? Your still going to kill them!

It's just the thought of feeling the blade go through them that frightens me. I wouldn't ever kill anyone innocent.

Let me put it this way, if I could avoid it, I would.

What really gets me is hanging... (the old way) and/or having your throat cut. I was going to write more but i suddenly feel extreamly sick.

Unfortunately, yes.

But on a brighter note, I know that I would never hesitate to defend my family.[/size]

Pity we couldn't break this poll down into America, Canada, Europe, Australasia, and other

how would you know what you'll do in a hypothetical situation, there are just too many parameters that you couldnt possibly think of.

but i guess people who got a gun at home are willing to use it whatever happens.

All of you seem so sure...but have all of you face a situation where you have had to kill a man? Except from GS I dont think so...and its so easy to say you would. Ive thought about it(been in the army, not considered killing some stranger) and I will be honest and say: I don't know". How could I live with myself after knowing I had taken a life? Perhaps I could have justified it with "my life or theirs".....but I dont know. So dont be so damned sure, because I dont think you really know before you have to.

Was this in military action?

only people that carry guns here are cops, drug lords, and crazies. fortunately, there are very few crazies, most of the drug lords dont kill potential clients for fun, and the cops... well, they took down a crazy german in amsterdam with like, 30 bullets. of which 6 hit. how's that for shitty aim?

so, in the current situation, i dont expect to ever have to shoot a man, nor have a gun.
home security is provided by a regular cheap wooden baseball bat on each top floor.
dutch burglars in this rural area are pros with stealth, not crackheads with guns.

all that aside, if somehow it was ever "the other guy or me", i just dont know.

     30 shots, 6 hits is about right for a pistol engagement. Life ain't a John Woo movie, pistols basically suck.

Locking this thread as well, in a continuing attempt to quit people from gravedigging.  Same as before, if you have any express concern over this thread being locked so it goes and dies a normal death, PM me.

-Lone