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Title: how many warnings?
Post by: irony alert system on August 25, 2003, 08:18:19 am
Quote from: PsYcO aSsAsSiN
Rapid is being warned for starting a flamewar.                                                                                
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more irony and why he should be banned


Get over spreading false information.

Your pathetic finger pointing is worse than a 5 year old.

The whole getting personal issue is something I don't understand.
 

Ignome, by the looks of your post, you dropped out in Elementary.  Learn to speak and write the english language you dumbfuck.  

Buccaneer,
Especially since your standards is to be a complete asshole, to fullfill that empty ass life of yours.  Yeah, wife and daughter my ass.  What time do they get?  Oh, when you walk to the bathroom and happen to let them catch a glimpse(if you even have a family, fucking known liar) of the "Daddy" that's glued to his computer 24/7 living up a virtual life playing a video game, which he still sucks ass at and can't accomplish nothing at.  

Hey shit for brains, aka jeb, aka tom scott

Do you not have an outside life(obviously not) that you need to fill it up with drama that you create from these forums?

rapid has tried to start 5 flame wars since that warnning.  when is enough enough?  rapid must also think that hes a real sonofabitch, since he does everything he accuses other of.  

this isnt a flame, this is a question to the moderators.  why is he given special treatment?


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: [OZ] Jedda on August 25, 2003, 08:42:13 am
Because he is Rapid, and it is extraordinarily funny seeing him trying to support his shitty and ill-thought out arguments.  ;D

Out - J


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Ace on August 25, 2003, 10:01:00 am
He isn't given special treatment. Many of the mods have pointed out this exact fact before.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: 0 Kilz:M: on August 25, 2003, 11:54:52 am
First of all, use your real name numbnuts...second of all, if you were'nt trying to start a flame you would have simply asked the mods in private. And third of all, why the fuck do you care so much? All those quotes you pulled were in response to the shit he recieved first, you guys waste so much time and energy into hating one person and trying to get one person banned...it's get a bit pathetic. It's like a whole group of lil tattletales in gradeschool..."teach teacher, timmy said a bad word"...grow a dick and stfu for once.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: *NADS Foxy on August 25, 2003, 04:46:29 pm
Eh, it's more like he's Pvt. Pyle, and we are the rest of this platoon from Full Metal Jacket. Maybe we should come upon him while he sleeps and give him a good beating with hard soap wrapped in our towels....(http://www.gamersrepublic.net/forums/html/emoticons/shifty.gif)


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: |MP|Buccaneer on August 25, 2003, 04:59:22 pm
Hey Hustler, I don't know you, but you are wrong about at least two things.  First, Rapid's posts to me were not in response to anything.  They were him coming in and just flaming me up in threads.  I don't usually talk to or about Rapid because I think that just encourages his abnormal behavior.  Second, Rapid is probably the largest tattletale I've seen.  He posts about everyone, and goes running to Evill all the time.  He even ran to Evill and asked that I be banned because of a web site he didn't like.  

I think, Hustler, that you walked right into this guy's point.  Everything you accused him of, Rapid has done here, many times.  But, if you are going to defend the guy, at least do it with the truth.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: irony alert system on August 25, 2003, 05:46:23 pm
my name is irrelevant.  why i care is irrelevant.  the facts speak for themselves.  he accuses others of his own faults.  hes been trying to start flame wars again.  hes already been warned.  knowing who i am doesn't make these things less true.

if the mods have pointed this out, why is he still here?


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: because... on August 25, 2003, 07:25:07 pm
Rapid is still here because Mauti doesn't have the balls enough to permanently ban him.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Mr.Mellow on August 25, 2003, 10:04:18 pm
It's not that Mauti doesn't have the balls, it's just Mauti is a very forgiving fella. That, and everyone makes asses of themselves everytime Rapid does something wrong. You guys know what I'm talking about. He would have been banned a long time ago if it weren't for people stooping down to his level. If Mauti banned Rapid, he would have to ban all of the people that flame Rapid. Nowadays, there aren't many people that bother even replying to Rapid or even mentioning his name. If this trend continues, you just might see the banning of Rapid, if he keeps on flamin'.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Brain on August 25, 2003, 10:22:41 pm
i just want to point something out to all the 'banhawks' out there
a permaban is effectively permanent exile from he ONLY group that is active outside the confines of GR.

even notice that if someone is not on the forums or not in a clan that is not on the battle league that they area automatically a faceless noob in our eyes?. after being in a community such as this, to be banned is an effective death sentence for your gaming career.

now, i want you to think of how YOU would feel if you were permbanned from here.
now do you see why mauti doesn't like to ban people?


note for those who dont like what i just said, i'm not defending rapid, i'm just pointing out the seriousness that a permban should be treated with. if you dont believe me, just ask typhy how it feels


Title: STFU n00b aliaser, that gets owned in RS when you alias as well. HAHAHAH Bitch!
Post by: AK_Rap1d on August 25, 2003, 10:57:40 pm
Had all the flames that were brought up against me been properly moderated(since Moderators aren't supposed to allow flaming, but they always let people flame against me.  Which means time for NEW General Gossip Mods that are not biased), I would have never had to respond to all these assholes' bullshit.  Now get the fuck off my nutz bitch. >:(


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Mr. Lothario on August 25, 2003, 10:58:05 pm
     I see your point, Brain. That hadn't occurred to me.

     Now, can anyone think of a down side to an end to Rapid's gaming career? It looks like sunshine and roses to me.


Title: Fuck you Loth.
Post by: AK_Rap1d on August 25, 2003, 11:01:58 pm
Keep hating loth, that's all you're good at.   Asshole. >:(






and you wonder why shit happens to you (like what happened to your mods and more...)

K A R M A


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Maniac on August 25, 2003, 11:05:08 pm
TY for starting another war it was unneccssary.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Mr. Lothario on August 25, 2003, 11:06:16 pm
     ::gasp:: Rapid said fuck me! OMG OMG OMG mods, can we get a forum warning for Rapid taking shit personal? He's hating on me and being a n00b, and if the mods weren't so biased against me, he'd have been punished a long time ago for being an idiot n00b hater like that. Oh, and ?? taken!

     Rapid, I don't believe in karma. If it worked, your parents would have spontaneously combusted.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: 0 Kilz:M: on August 25, 2003, 11:35:17 pm
Well ok Bucc, you don't know who I am huh? I think you do. My old name was Kilzo, and I was a pretty good pal with your friend Grifter. I have seen first hand bashing and slanted attitude towards this clan and Rapid in general. Now let me state that Rapid knows I won't deal with any of his shit, therefore if I see him doing shit wrong I will tell him, I have no qualms about it. This shit has been going on for the 1.5 years I have been on gr and posting in these forums. Yes, I have seen Rapid be a tattletale, but only when people are impersonating him or his clan. I have been in games where people have ip joined under ?K aliases and say things and do thing to purposefully hurt or wreck the clan.

These guys join and try to recruit or kick members, or to make the people they alias under look bad. Take for example Monk, or MPE, or Angrydad...these are nice guys that 99% of people get along with, yet we have to deal with 12 yr olds coming in and trying to tarnish them. What would you do under such circumstances? If I ip joined a game using |MP| Bucanneer, and I was making everyone think you were an ass and trying to recruit noobs into your clan?

These are just the tip of the iceberg of shit we deal with, and for what? All I am saying is that just because you don't get along with somebody or you think they are fuckin stupid or whatever, is no cause to yell ban ban ban...it's getting to the point where it seems like a witch hunt, and if the majority of people want someone banned than they get away with it, what next? If Rapid was coming in here and senselessly bashing or if he was a cheat, then yes I could see it. But from what I have seen he only responds to flames and that makes ppl mad.

Can you show me a thread he started that was senseless bashing or flaming? Something that is not just him stating his own opinion? I know how he feels about Grif and you being the same person, but that's his opinion, it's his right to state if he wishes. You and many others may not like it, but that does'nt take away his rights to not be able to voice his own opinions. Maybe I am wrong, if so, show me. I am not about to get into any flames or bash anyone, I rely on the facts, and if presented to me, I will listen and form a logical conclusion.

And to whoever started this thread, it does matter who you are because it shows you have no courage or balls to defend yourself. Any nimwit with no backbone can come in here and start talking trash...you are obviosly afraid or scared to reveal yourself which means you are a coward, thus, why should anybody listen to someone who can't stand up for themselves?

Just my two cents, Im sure you wont like it, but hey, will you ever? Now please do not start a flame with me just because I voiced my opinion, that would show exactly what I am talking about. And I have no time or energy to indulge in flame wars. I will resond only to logical and meaningful ppl.

peace, Kilzo


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: |MP|Buccaneer on August 26, 2003, 12:08:30 am
Well ok Bucc, you don't know who I am huh? I think you do. My old name was Kilzo, and I was a pretty good pal with your friend Grifter.

Ok, so now I know who you are.  Sorry, I don't keep up on all the name changes.

I have been in games where people have ip joined under ?K aliases and say things and do thing to purposefully hurt or wreck the clan.

Ok, not my problem though.  It's the price you pay being in a clan with an unpopular leader.  Since I'm not IP joining or any of that.

If Rapid was coming in here and senselessly bashing or if he was a cheat, then yes I could see it. But from what I have seen he only responds to flames and that makes ppl mad.

Can you show me a thread he started that was senseless bashing or flaming? Something that is not just him stating his own opinion? I know how he feels about Grif and you being the same person, but that's his opinion, it's his right to state if he wishes. You and many others may not like it, but that does'nt take away his rights to not be able to voice his own opinions.

Kilzo, when he sprouts that opinion in threads that I'm not even in, out of the blue, and with plenty of insults, guess what, that's flaming.  Let me give you an example.  If I just made posts randomly in the middle of thread about BTs, saying what a gay asshole Rapid is.  Would that be a flame?  It's just expressing my opinion, but it's still a flame, isn't it?  Rapid brings me up every chance he gets.  Why?  He's starting a flame, plain and simple.  I don't even play RS, don't have the game, but he sure seems to need to talk about me.  

So, if you want examples, I can post them, but the Irony guy already hit a few of the most recent.  
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Buccaneer, you and the shit you call friends, do nothing but harrass people here on the forums.? Bondo has been a long forum poster, and quite a light humored character.? What you and your cronnies have done, is super low.? WTF is your obsession with getting personal with people?? Do you not have an outside life(obviously not) that you need to fill it up with drama that you create from these forums?? Here's a thread started by j47(btw, what's up buddy  ) in hope to get you fools to stop getting so personal.? And here goes your flaming ass getting personal once again.? If Mauti didn't see any wrong in the bullshit you created before, with all the stupid sites you made, hosted, and encouraged others to make, wasn't enough to show how much of a low class human being you are.? This tops it off, but surprisingly, as usual.? Especially since your standards is to be a complete asshole, to fullfill that empty ass life of yours.? Yeah, wife and daughter my ass.? What time do they get?? Oh, when you walk to the bathroom and happen to let them catch a glimpse(if you even have a family, fucking known liar) of the "Daddy" that's glued to his computer 24/7 living up a virtual life playing a video game, which he still sucks ass at and can't accomplish nothing at.? Yeah bud, hope you're a real proud "professional" (in a video game, where you're not even a legit pro.? Just your hope of fulfilling that ego of yours).? You need to get the fuck off everybody's case around here.? You deserve everything you got coming to you, and trust me, it'll arrive.? When you're sitting there wondering why you're banned from forums, games, and more, it'll be the reality check you'll need.? You being a virtual asshole is no duty of yours.? You got yours coming....

I'm pretty sure that there was more then one flame in there.

but this next one is even better.  In this one, we are talking about replays in Ghost Recon.  Not about RS, not about AK, not about Rapid.  Nothing to do with him at all.  But this is his opening.
BTW, did you know that MP was the first clan to get personal with somebody?  And it was me.  DUmb fools went as far as trying to host a "free service", which they later tried to charge for, that when failed, then closed down.  Then they used their service to act like the 50 year old owned children that they are.  Making and hosting sites that are offensive to anybody that sees them, due to the lame content of fat people. (must be their family album pics of those long lost relatives ;D )  MPs even tried to leak out personal info of me.  Too bad they were dead wrong, but the intentions is what counts.  In fact, they try and cry bout others, yet they're the assholes that have done started stupid  personal bs since way back.   Too bad they can't hang in the game, where it all counts in their eyes.  They get owned there, and man do they ever get mad.  l0l!   Grow up you dumbfucks and stop your nonsense BS.  Hell, I really need to make a page pointing out all the bs you provoke MP's.   Dumb sore gaming losers that can't simply just play the video game. :o

The whole getting personal issue is something I don't understand.  Fools think that by getting personal, they're going to be able to own these people when they play them next.  They just show the world who really owns who.  And man,  I own all you rapid haters.  Especially bucc and his bad attitude.  Fucker acts all innocent, and is the host of it all (he'll claim his alias deadeye is the one, but we all know better).  Bucc will always be a representation of a sore loser/gamer.   Gj on being that example Bucc.  

So, is that just an opinion, or a flame Kilzo, be honest?

And it's not like he hasn't been warned about this crap.  Let's not forget that the reason AK wasn't allowed in the Battle League for the start of last season.  It's because he kept posting his grifter bashing in the battle league threads.  Where I wasn't even around.  Where you talk about CB's, not this crap.  And don't let anyone lie and say different, because the information is all here.

Any nimwit with no backbone can come in here and start talking trash...you are obviosly afraid or scared to reveal yourself which means you are a coward, thus, why should anybody listen to someone who can't stand up for themselves?

Because his being a coward doesn't change that it's true Kilzo.

Just my two cents, Im sure you wont like it, but hey, will you ever? Now please do not start a flame with me just because I voiced my opinion, that would show exactly what I am talking about. And I have no time or energy to indulge in flame wars.

Kilzo, I don't start flame wars with people willing to talk about it.  And I've answered your questions, so I look forward to your response.

I will resond only to logical and meaningful ppl.

BTW, I don't think you were logical with Irony guy that started this thread.  Just because you don't like where the truth is coming from, doesn't make the message false.  And from what I've seen, all he's done is quoted Rapid bitching about something, then turning around and doing the same thing himself.  


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: *DAMN Hazard on August 26, 2003, 01:09:53 am
Rapid is still here because Mauti doesn't have the balls enough to permanently ban him.

This coming from the guy who won't use his real name. That's the only ironic thing I see in this thread...


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Mr.Mellow on August 26, 2003, 03:06:27 am
Just a quick reminder to everyone, I seem to recall Rapid posting under an anonymous alias many-a-time to flame or bash people, or just state an opinion that is very unpopular. So, he's just a big a coward as the fella that posted this thread. No offense if I know the thread creator or anything, but still...next time use your forum account.
Ooh. edit: I've gone into conspiracy-mode. Perhaps Rapid himself created this thread, in some sort of attempt to use psychological warfare on people, and make him look like a victim, or something. I dunno. Just my opinion...and hey, it's just as stupid an opinion as thinking Grifter is Bucc. Well, maybe not AS stupid, but it's up there.  8)


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: 0 Kilz:M: on August 26, 2003, 03:29:26 am
First in response to irony guy, even haz can see my point. If he is willing to post about someone, then he should be willing to use his real name. It's only logical that if you have a problem with something or someone, you stand up and say something, not stand behind a false front. It seemes to me that each quote from rapid he pulled was a response, not an initiation, therefore holds no water.

Second off, I was under the impression that ?K pulled out of the BL due to Rapid not getting along with the mods. Is it true that Mauti did'nt allow ?K to participate? Because Rapid said he pulled ?K out, if he lied, I will have a problem with that.

So from your post I can take the second quote you pulled as a flame, that I agree with you 100%, the first seems another response to something you may have said. And yes, I know he takes things a bit far and is hard to deal with sometimes, but sure if you wanted to express your views on someone you have every right to do so. It would be a bit childish, and yes Rapid was being a bit childish himself..sometimes he should just stfu and let things go. I am in no way 100% defending him, I would try to see the side of both parties in any altercation that has gone so far as to leading someone to be banned.

So you and Raps don't like each other...we can all see this. So Rapid and alot of ppl don't like each other...we can tell. So why not be the bigger man and just let it go? Is it really worth all the bullshit to sit and talk trash back and forth? Rapid will never let it go, you know that. And yes Raps, when you read this you may not be pleased with what I have to say but you know it's true.

"It's because he kept posting his grifter bashing in the battle league threads. Where I was'nt even around"....hmm, ok. I have been here for a year and a half, yet you just appear recently and have over 1000 posts...And to be quite honest Bucc, I have talked with ppl in your clan and even they can't say you are not Grifter, even they wonder. Not saying or implying anything, just stating the facts.

So it seems you have two choices:

1. You can all continue to argue about this crap, and continue to make mock websites..blah blah blah...or...

2. Just ignore each other and stop the bitching.

As far as Im concerned ya'll can do whatever you want, seems stupid to me, but I can tell you this..if ?K was booted from the last BL due to Rapid, he's gonna have a helluvalot of explaining to do to his clan. And if not, Bucc will have to back up why he said that.

Peace, Kilzo


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: |MP|Buccaneer on August 26, 2003, 04:24:52 am
Second off, I was under the impression that ?K pulled out of the BL due to Rapid not getting along with the mods. Is it true that Mauti did'nt allow ?K to participate? Because Rapid said he pulled ?K out, if he lied, I will have a problem with that.

Well, then you have a problem, because it was published in the battle league itself.  Go look.

So from your post I can take the second quote you pulled as a flame, that I agree with you 100%, the first seems another response to something you may have said.

The first quote was in a thread where Ace and Jeb were arguing with Bondo.  Bondo said they had no right to get personal, and I pointed out where he had in the past.  Nothing was said to or about Rapid in that at all.  I can pull a dozen others, those two were just from this week Kilzo.

So Rapid and alot of ppl don't like each other...we can tell. So why not be the bigger man and just let it go? Is it really worth all the bullshit to sit and talk trash back and forth? Rapid will never let it go, you know that. And yes Raps, when you read this you may not be pleased with what I have to say but you know it's true.

Kilzo, where do you see me responding to Rapid?  I've pretty much ignored him for the past few months.  I don't talk trash with him, I don't talk to him.  I posted this to you, just so you could get your facts right.  

And to be quite honest Bucc, I have talked with ppl in your clan and even they can't say you are not Grifter, even they wonder. Not saying or implying anything, just stating the facts.

The plain and simple facts of all this were posted months and months ago Kilzo.  Rapid ignored them all, and you ether missed them or ignored them too.  The only people that can say for sure are the people that knew Grifter.  Cossack has confirmed this, as he said he's talked to both of us on netfone.  But you know what, I don't really care if you believe it or not.  The fact of the matter is, if it is true (and yes, I know it is) then talking shit like that is rude to his memory and his friends.  And anyone that doesn't know for sure, should be respectful of the pain that can cause.  Don't you agree?  I don't need to bother convincing you either way.  Believe or not.  But talking shit about my friend based on bad information is uncalled for, isn't it?

if ?K was booted from the last BL due to Rapid, he's gonna have a helluvalot of explaining to do to his clan. And if not, Bucc will have to back up why he said that.

I'll back it up here and now.  I'll give you the first part of it, right here.  Go to this page (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/index.php?page=9&comment_ID=246) and look for Mauti's comments.  If that isn't enough for you, there are more comments on this.  Just PM me and I'll be glad to point them out for you.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: 0 Kilz:M: on August 26, 2003, 04:42:01 am
Ok, I tried to pm you, but Im not a buddy. It looks to me as though Rapid is saying he can't get fair treatment in the BL and he may want to pull his clan out. It states nothing about Mauti banning him. Mauti just got confused and took ?K off the bl before Rapid cleared it up, they were then returned and finished 18-2.

And yes, I did miss those posts before, I try to stay away from here as much as possible, but I do not expect you to prove anything to me or to anyone else. I was cool with Grif, he was actually the one and only admin on my KDX server, aside from me. I learned alot from that guy and that I will keep, wherever his soul may be. Im not here to re-hash those facts or bring that back, Im simply here now to see the truth.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Jeb on August 26, 2003, 05:01:31 am
heh,
people actually buy into rapid's usual "biased *fill in the blank*" dog and pony shows.
you aparently missed the post by mauti in there...
Anyhow mauti mentioned in the black ops section that rapid wouldn't be allowed to compete because of all the shit he was saying about grifter, ect. Mauti can confirm this when he gets back, because i'm to lazy to find the post.
They were allowed to finish the season after that but they didn't cb. notice how ak isn't listed here http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/clanladder/clanladder.php?table=rs

i'm sure rapid will let a flame loose because of this.


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: |MP|Buccaneer on August 26, 2003, 05:07:18 am
And now we've talked and you've seen the truth for yourself.  =D


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Mr.Mellow on August 26, 2003, 05:33:08 am
You know, even though I've always thought of Rapid as a bit of a bastard, I realized that he can be pretty forgiving. Especially with me. One minute, I'm being nice and friendly to him, and the next minute, I'm bustin' his balls. And after all that, he's still pretty nice to me. Maybe everyone should just stop with all the bull-shizinit and get along. Or at the very least, tolerate eachother, and don't pay attention to people who bug ya. Okay, one minute is up. Go-Go-Gadget-Nut-Cracker!
 :-[ <---Raps               ::) <---Mells


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: kami on August 26, 2003, 03:09:42 pm
Just adding this out of the blue here, I'm not sure about this since I never actually spoke to Bucc or Grifter when he was around. Perhaps they are so alike because they were good friends in real life?

I agree with Loth on the rest of the thread... haha, spontaneously combust, so true.

Also, I don't think Rapid has EVER been nice to me, I guess the first time I saw him around was before most of you guys even knew of GR, he wasn't nice back then, I don't think he will be.


Title: Bucc is a Lying ass BITCH.
Post by: AK_Rap1d on August 26, 2003, 06:39:01 pm
Second off, I was under the impression that ?K pulled out of the BL due to Rapid not getting along with the mods. Is it true that Mauti did'nt allow ?K to participate? Because Rapid said he pulled ?K out, if he lied, I will have a problem with that.

Well, then you have a problem, because it was published in the battle league itself.  Go look.

Ok, I'm off to work, but I had a feeling bullshit was being thrown around here, and sure enough, it's good ol Buccaneer.

Hey dumbfuck, how bout you stop spreading false rumors.

No, |?K| was not banned last season.  I chose to not have our clan compete due to the biased mods.  In fact, they were all begging me to join the BL, but I refused due to all the bad calls made against us during Season 3, which caused us to win it.  FiRe won after they were able to judge against us in matters we were clearly in the right.  Nice strategic blocking.  And that's the reason |?K| didn't participate in Season 4.  Mauti asked me to not join Season 4 in the first week to let things cool off and not have bad calls made against my clan, since all the Moderators and other people were on my case bout some BS, but I had np, since I didn't  join the BL at all.  We weren't banned.   Of course, dumbass Bucc loves spreading negative gossip, in hope to damage another's reputation.  Typical dumbshit.  He's even gotten Jeb to spread all this fake posts, quotes and bullshit.  WTF, do the Moderators around here NOT DO ANYTHING to their friends?  They love letting their friends make up bullshit and let it ride and not delete it, (It's their duty to delete fake quotes and flames, yet always let bullshit ride that's said against me and my clan. >:( ).


Ok, I gtg now, but I'll post more later.  Fucking lying ass bitch bucc....  You're a disgrace to this gaming community with your negative energy....   You should be banned for your bigmouth and false rumors...  Fucking faggot...


Title: Re:how many warnings?
Post by: Ace on August 26, 2003, 07:13:02 pm
Rapid, if you are the cause of more than half the work that the mods have to do around here, do you honestly think we are going to jump at deleting stuff for you in a thread where you started a flamewar? Besides, I haven't seen any fake quotes, and there are no flames against you that aren't any worse than your flames that provoked their response. And I'm sure you have noted that I haven't deleted any of your crap in this thread.

However, this has turned into a giant mess, so I'm locking it.