*DAMN R6 Forum

 While you mac people are busy maintaining your illinformed and delusional opinion of Raven Shield, I thought I'd throw in a couple comments from someone who's played more of the game than 99% of you.

Juding from past history, Sin will be throwing our RvS propaganda, however, that's fine. We obviously have different opinions of the game. I'd also like to hear from jo, pat, and xo, and any others of us who've got a PC sitting around.

You Rogue Spear players are thinking "Omg, finally "RS 2" - great graphics, and the ability to run in OSX."

You Ghost Recon players are thinking "Ah, a CQC version of Ghost Recon, with better graphics, and hopefuly better optimization."

You're both far from being correct. Raven Shield isn't "RS 2". The gameplay is far different, as is the movement. The movement is much more like that of Ghost Recon, including the nice ability to lay prone. Because of the lack of the ability to hit shots while moving, campers have a huge advantage.

You Ghost Recon players are wrong too. With Raven Shield, you won't be sidesteping around corners, firing 2 shots from your SA 80s, and ending up with a kill. As a general rule, in Raven Shield, when you want to shoot, you stop.

Also, those of you like Kilzo who comment "this will make for a huge BL", I think you will find yourselves mistaken. What so many people in this community fail to realize is that, yes, there are other gaming communities. Assuming that GameRanger support is not offered for Raven Shield, I think it's very unlikely that there will be a *DAMN ladder for it at all. Once you start playing outside of GameRanger, you'll stumble onto an entire new world, and suddenly, trying to play the game within GameRanger, or against other mac clans will have less value, or meaning to you.

Anyway, just my thoughts. Any questions, feel free to ask. As I said before, I'd like to hear from some of the others of us who have this game for PC.

Lothario stop the watch stop the watch, write down the time! ;-)

I tried RvS at CompUSA the other day on an ALienware.  Very nice graphics, kind of awkward wih the gun sticking out though.  Anyways, RvS will be great.

I doubt it will be great, one. Most of our comps won't run RvS well if at all. Typhy is right about the gameplay being different and in my opinion a change for the worst. With smaller maps like RS and movement like Ghost Recon it makes for an extremely boring game after a while. Rushing doesn't do much unless you have a pistol because you dont have a chance in hell to hit someone 100 yards away (running) with a g36k or something. Even standing up it's very hard to hit someone so you almost always have to lie prone and take up a sniper position in a map like CSL. The only good moments I experienced in RvS were at CSL in the rare basement CQC battles. Say what you want, guys, but 90% of people that have played RvS have dislike it.  :o

Sounds like AA Typhy.  Is it that kind of game play?

I think Raven Shield fucked up the whole Tom Clancy series, because        
RVS should of been a refernished RS. What i mean is better graphices no glitches and runs in OSX. Thats just my opinion anyways, how can you make people move like in GHR, and be in RS maps?! That is the most bullshit thing they could of ever done. It might be lliked by a bunch of people, but im sure it's not going to make too much money.

Yes, but in RvS there is actually skill to aiming unlike in GhR. I agree with there being no *DAMN section of the BL for RvS if there is no GR support.

guys guys guys. ..

 play it until you start to kill ppl, then it's all green grass, and pherahps even a woman out there. ..

Posted by: [d]-[PaT]
"Say what you want, guys, but 90% of people that have played RvS have dislike it. "

Where you hear that?

Posted by: Typhy
"Because of the lack of the ability to hit shots while moving, campers have a huge advantage."

Campers usually don't live long enough to use that advantage, and there's always a boot around the corner.  ;D

Posted by: AgT one
"Very nice graphics, kind of awkward wih the gun sticking out though."

Then you turn it off  ;)
I have it on, helps you remeber what your holding when theres grenades allover, and some metal plate is popping from gunfire cause this maniac with a Machinegun is trying to cap you thru a wall. ..

// NK?Lin

Because AA and RvS use the same graphics engine, they look much the same, however, they're far different games.

Raven Shield has a reticule like RS or GHR. One of the biggest improvements over those two, is the fact that there's a "snap scope". You press your zoom key, and you're looking through the scope, more like the Sniper Rifles in GHR, if you want something to compare it to.

While Pat's 90% estimate may be off, he's right that the majority of the people who bought Raven Shield dislike it.

Raven Shield can't be that bad. And Pat why don't you get a new computer than, geezus, I'm getting a G4 so I can run AA and RvS.  And Typhy, why don't you start shutting up and maybe PLAY the fucking game on a MAC first before you judge it with your "PC testing of RvS".  

 One, with your logic, Raven Shied has just gone from a $50 game to a $3,050 game.

It's a game one. It's the same on a PC as on a mac. Hmm, where will this game seem better? My mac at 30 FPS or my PC at 175? The only thing the mac could potentially add is the community that's lacking in the PC world, unless you're a serious player. I'm telling you about the game - that doesn't change depending on what machine you're using.

 

Typhy if you had a baby you would name it Tom Clancy Clough. I can see Typh yelling at his poor little boy on an old ass Mac "GO FOR THE HEADSHOTS SON! YOU SHOULD BE WINNING YOU GET GREAT FRAMERATES. GIVE 'EM THE OLE FRAMERATE SPEACH TOM." Your expectations are too based towards RS. Change is good sometimes. Adaption is what makes great players.

Haz, MOH:AA? RTCW? SH? AA? GHR? I don't adapt? Bring it.

u could be adapted to all those games but ur not that good at any of them.

mmm? Once you grow some balls and post under your real name, I'd love to kick your ass at any of them.

So..you're whining because you can't get a headshot from 100 yards away while running? Big deal. RS was way too unrealistic in that sense anyways. I like realism over fun. Makes the game a lot less Quake-like.

Not quite sure it was meant to come out this way. . . ;)

You'll soon see what I mean.

You can easily get kills while running with a rifle...it takes a fair amount of skill and technique. If you want to learn how, send me a PM, it really isn't that hard (well, now it kinda is with the gay 1.4 bullet lag patch)

It isn't that hard if you can keep an steady aim, and also why does it seem like typhy vs 10 people or does it end up like that always. No wander he can argue so good. Also with his family about who can sleep the closest to the fire inside the igloo.

 I think that most of you will find that running shots don't really play a role in RvS, even though there may be some people who have the ability to hit them.

Maniac, it's the other way around. We fight about who can sleep FARTHEST from the fire - we're Alaskans, we love the cold. Of course, we don't argue - we do the Eskimo Stick pull to decide. ( Alaska Native Olympic event ).  

The worst way to be uncomfratable is cold and tired trust me, if it came down to it you would sleep next to the fire.

Lol, Typhy, Ok man.

RvS is not really that bad.
Sure recoil is different.  But believe me you can rush through levels about the same as you can in RS.  I've actually won a game online with it, and no I didn't camp.

I played the game on a 2ghz with a gf3 and it got about 40-60 fps average on most of the indoor maps.  The single player demo runs in the 20's on my pc with old radeon so use that to judge how it will perform, just chop off about 5 fps for a top of the line mac . . .  :D.

As far as weapons aim, recoil will definitely take getting use to, I do think some of the weapons feel too similar at times but the models and customization option (i.e. a mini scope or a larger capacity mag.) are cool.  I think not being able to judge throwing of nades sucks.

As a point of difference in the weapons you can try to shoot the oil cans on oil refinery.  The SMGs will not cause the oil barrels to explode but the ak-47 will.

Overall other than the more vocal minority(don't believe it sucks simply because you read so) it actually is a fun game and the use of shadows make it a much better for hiding.

If you think players are better on the pc. . . don't, my first 2 games online in the demo I was team-killed.  You can even punish team killers in RvS by making them sit out a round or just voting to kick them.

The weapons models can be removed you know, so whether you like them or hate them, having them in the game is a mute point as far as how "bad" they are.

Being based on the ragdoll physics is ok, but dead bodies do look stupid flung about often.

All your talk about GR community being mute with its central server support might also be over the top.  MOHAA for example has a pingable server lists and you don't see a lack of games on GR, you don't see a bunch but its not like a GR community is completely gone.

If I have any points wrong because of any released patch, then whatever, all my thoughts are based on the demos.  As far as buying the mac version I may wait until athena sword is also confirmed.  Although it will probably be bundled by the time I get a mac good enough to run it anyway.  :D

Like Typhy said, one... why the fuck would I spend 3,050$ on a game that I dislike anyways?

good points who knows, but mohaa wasn't a tom clancy game, a long time staple and backbone of the gr community. if RvS does not have gr support, this community will die (the sid meyer game type fans will probably still stay though)

 Brain, yet again, you think to highly of a game you haven't played.

Why will this community "die" to a weak game? Has America's Army killed this community? Seems to me that the community has "survived" it just fine.

You seem to think that Raven Shield will be so "amazingly good", that you'll want to instantly leave this community in order to play it in all your free time. I think you'll quickly find yourself mistaken after the first 4 hours of play.

Guys just to let you know if GameRanger is still arround when Rvs comes to mac it will have support you wanna know why I know this it's because I was on the IMG chat when Aspyr reveild RVS and SC are coming to mac. As typhy said don't get your damn hopes up then again we get shit for games so we play what we are fed in rations by Aspyr and Macplay which choose what they want to port without asking the buyers. I mean I love the looks and the feel of Macs and OS X but it's lacking something   Games. I'm sick of waiting for a game that MIGHT come to mac while PC players have been cheating with if for the past year plus. The whole Mac Gaming Comunity has gone to Mexico since Ghr came to Mac.

Yet again, one dimensional thinking. GHR is far from being the most popular mac game, many people just assume that because they think GameRanger is all there is.

A very small ammount of Mac Gamers use GameRanger, and while it's quite possibly the largest single community, it's far from being the only place that Mac Gamers play.

Anyone who buys a mac for gaming is just a dumbass. Not only do PC's kick mac's asses in framerates, there are 5 times as many games.

what ment by "The whole Mac Gaming Comunity has gone to Mexico" was about GameRanger I know about people that play on macs outside of GR online infact the Carracho community plays Mohaa together and other games the buy. And Typhy I'm buying a Area-51 I'm sick of being fed small amounts of semi-good games or shity games that no one will buy.

 Heh, good choice, Gnome. That's the way to go for gamers.

There's an amazing difference from PC to Mac. Instead of getting weak ass games that get 35 FPS, you'll be getting kick ass games that run at 100 FPS.

With mac, you have to wait 6 months ( at least ) for poor ports of weak games. On PC, you've got an amazing ammount more options.  

I stay with Macs because of the feel and the OS and the fact you can "buy" softwear easly if you have a decent cable connection and Carracho

 Lol, yes, that is a lovely way to "buy" software, as well as movies. ;)

I can't stay Windows XP. I make sure to leave games running on my PC, simply so no one can see Windows on my computer.

If Mac OSX was for PC, I'd never buy another mac, aside from possibly mac laptops.  

r6 owns rvs.

Funny how the two most outspoken against RvS are the two with the biggest egos on gr ;D  Is it because neither of you can get kills or you just owned repeatedly that makes this game suck for you. I agree it will not be a extension of RS with flanking pdw in hand....but as I remember....you HAD TO use 3 round burst in R6 to get any kills, so maybe they are taking this game back to it's roots...R6 styleee.

I'll be either way, because you can only play RS for so long...but if we could play the full mac conversion mod of Blackthorn RS would have a ton of life left in it.

why did u put shakira in a AK icon?

 
Nice job, Pat; we got first and second. ;)

I find it funny how people say "you don't like a game because you suck at it", it's true, I generally have more fun at games I'm good at - that's probably because the games that I like, I play lots, and become good at.

America's Army is one of my favorite games, and I suck at it. In multiplayer games, I'm fine will getting a kill every other game.

I'm an average player at Raven Shield, nothing great.

I think the fact that we're the "two most outspoken against RvS" might have to do with the fact that most of those people who are so sure that it'll be great have never played it before. Pat and I have both played lots of RvS, and had enough time to form accurate opinions of it.

I'll give this link to Xo and jo when I get a chance, so they can throw in their opinions of RvS too. [/color]

They also complain about the ret and how hard it is to dance and aim ect.

I tend to think anyone who buys any computer "Just for gaming" are just dumbasses. Games are a secondary for computers. If you're just looking to play games go grab a xbox or PS2. Stop wasting your time and money on something that costs a dozens of times more.

Those xboxs and PS2s have MP acess, what more do you want. All the games Ive ever played ran and looked great. I don't see why ppl buy computers for games. I by a mac cause a) the OS owns b) they are quality machines c) I dont need a game to run at or above 100 FPS to have fun and d) I don't need a game the day it is released for PC.

 Some of us have enough money to spare that it's not a big deal.

I can't play First Person Shooters on consoles, it's far to hard to aim. Also, all of the systems that you suggest require a TV - something that we don't have, as well as something that my parents won't let us have.

I s'pose you're referring to those who purchase them solely for gaming, but how about someone who buys a Mac with the intent of playing games in addition to using it for productivity purposes?  I'm getting a Daulie G5 sometime soon, and I fully intend to play games on it (and for it to perform quite nicely...), although playing games is not the reason for my purchase.  It'll primarily be my game development/video editting/modelling+rendering rig (XCode and FCP4?!  Booyah!).

Anyone who wants a system that is specificly engineered to run games can go buy a GameCube for less than $150.
As of the past few years (since the arrival of OSX), I haven't actually seen all that much on the PC side that never came to the Mac that would actually be worth a purchase.  Yes, waiting sucks, but the fact that we have to wait has more to do with the fact that 99/100 gamers run Windows than with any drawbacks in Apple hardware or software.

And, although no one can really say for sure yet whether this will be the case or not, I'm fairly confident the G5 is going to run games very nicely.  If I'm getting 250 FPS while a top-of-the-line Wintel system is getting 275-300 FPS, I really don't give a shit (not that any human could tell the difference without looking at a frame rate counter).  A slight loss in frame rate is an almost unavoidable side effect of porting a game to a platform other than the one it was originally built around (depending on how deep the platform specific optimizations were, and how much time/effort the porting house puts into optimizing it for the new platform), so I'm sure we're likely to continue to see Wintel systems outpacing Macs in the gaming sector...I just don't think the differences are going to be so large that a developer will be restricted from porting a game to the Mac due to hardware performance.  Macs will at least perform close to (or in some cases outperform) PC's with regard to games, much closer than they currently are.

If OSX ran on x86 hardware?  Bleh...such a transition is not happening anytime soon, as it would most likely lead to the death of Apple.  But I'm not going into that here.  I'll happily stick with my G5, thank you.  Wasn't built with games in mind specifically (not that it can't play them well...), but this thing's gonna absolutely scream for things like video editing and 3d rendering (I will be using it for both).

 Cobra, I can understand what you're saying. Mac's are far better for most things, however, gaming isn't one of them. If you want the primary use for your machine to be games, then you'd be a dumbass if you got a mac.

Saddly, games won't run the same on a mac which is equal to a PC.

In a game like Ghost Recon, a PC will get 3 times the framerates of it's mac cousin.

On Medal of Honor, with a 64MB graphics card, you can put all your graphics settings on highest and get perfect framerates.  

Hustler how old are like 40? no one gives a fucking shit about RS anymore aned blackthorn has been played on gameranger since its been converted it mb your to fucking old to know the codename and pass.

I'd like to point out that I deflated your ego in the aftermath of you getting your kick-ass computer, Kilzo, when I beat you in a 1v1 when you had said "I own you and all of [d]" or something to that effect. I'd also like to point out that I kicked your ass with a 450 mhz imac with 192 mb of ram as opposed to your 1.25 dual G4. (if you're going to say bs) yeah all games were on my host but 11 of the 17 were you, blue, on depot.

Maniac have you played the game? No? Then stfu because you don't know shit about how it aims.. lack of dancing.. and rushing.

 Kilzo loves to show off his ignorance by implying that he has vast knowledge of issues that he knows nothing about.

He claims that Raven Shield will run perfectly on his computer. Hmm, I have a Dual 1.25GHZ G4, 1.25GBs RAM, 128MB GeForce 4 Ti sitting over in the other room. I honestly don't expect Raven Shield to run perfectly on it. I expect it to be another poor rushed port, much the same as Ghost Recon.

You talk about how great Raven Shield will be. Hmm, this coming from someone who hates America's Army and Ghost Recon? You hate two of the newest mac first person shooters, why should your opinion of Raven Shield be any different?

 

Typhy, Rogue Spear wasn't perfect either. Nothing is perfect. End of discussion.