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Now first off before you all read this I in no way insulting any othrs clans in any way however I would like you all to read this information intercepted off of the BTs clan private forums.
I am in no way responsible for the content of this thread other than posting it. Read at your own risk!!!!!

Based on a cb with MP on April 16
4v4
10-8-3
TEAMWORK (4v4):
Usually they had 2 guys flanking... On bigger maps i noticed they
flanked in
both directions while keeping 2 guys as either campers or really really
slow
movers
Ace: Flanker guy... Mostly was seen using OICW/S and Sa80/N
Brain: FLanker guy....
Alaric: CAMPER...
Loth:CAMPER.... Used OICW/S Mostly... Has been known to be a Sniper.
Use caution when moving on these guys....
Maps they liked using:
Vilinus
Ghost Town
Embassy
Suggestions:
Take out the Flankers and let the campers come to you... They suck so
you'll
have a better chance getting them on the move... As campers (Loth) they
can
be considered some of the best....
**Note: MP Servers... They like to play defense on Siege...
If any of you guys have anything to add please do so..
If you play with them on any servers take a look at where they go and
where
they like to camp.... As for myself, I hate ace's servers so you won't
find
me there....
PEACE!
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Based on a cb with c| mar 13 02:43:18 pm

Re:MP - Mischievous Professionals
? Antwort #1 am: Mai 13, 2003, 02:43:18 pm ?
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Ace is by far the biggest asshole on GameRanger. I doubt he will CB us
again, because after he talked so much shit, he still got beat. They
usually
have one guy adanve straight at the eemy, while two flank. Don't let
Ace try
to bullshit you during a game. Meet his bluff and prove him wrong. Go
to
look at the rulers if you have too.
Jewb - Decent, aggressive. Flanker
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Re:MP - Mischievous Professionals
? Antwort #2 am: Mai 13, 2003, 09:17:56 pm ?
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My comments our these guys are great shit talkers when you work their
asses.? Then they get mad and use the good old I will sit and wait
tactic.?
Most of them are on my shit list headed by ACE. May they get hit by
cars.

I watched them too, it wasnt so bad for me. On red square we had the
bader
spawnpoint as them. They controlled a lot of the map while we just were
into
a bad corner, into a trap.
Well what i want to say is, that the movement we used was notbad. I
think
this is the thing we know and we should build on this. Expand and shit
like
this.
I think that an important thing is to FIND THEYR SPAWN POINT and DONT
SHOW
THEM OURS. On Vilnius, it may be possible to run out in the beginning
of the
game hardly. If have one spawn point controlled and its not theyr one,
we
already have 2 points where we could been started at. from this spawn
point
its easy to set up sensors at the outgoing corners so we have the area
controlled. I have seen that c| isnt really hardly camping so if we
sensored
up a really big part of the map, this may helps.
And the last thing i have to say, is: A OICW has the same chances
against an
other OICW around a corner. We have to turn our chances up. Nades is an
important part and also nade launcher.
!!! It should be very well organised what the people are using on which
map.
!!!
The Weapon which is the one whos used in a cb should also be the same
weapon
into train games. If a weapon is very well trained and u know all
feautures
of it, You have bether chances. A full trained OICW has the bether
chances
against a normal oicw. To "over all" movement, i must say this was not
bad.
Covering people must be trained well and walking together too.
That was just a thing in my brain which i needed to give out to you. If
u
think its totally shit, ignore or delete it.



but i noticed a "tactic" of c|
the dead guys are using a 3rd person view.....
the alife one, hides behind a corner and is more or less, only wacthing
at
the wall etc.
the dead one can see what is behind the corner, and tells the other
ones
with nf what he sees.....
if he notced u, he tells his teammade to move, and u get shot....



Hey! Im talkin about you guys again!

Okie, playing with eight tonight we went up against X1 and Narauko.?
Something i noticed about Narauko, while playing on battlefield, is
that
both times i ran into him, he was running down the very west side of
the
map, comming from spawnpoint 4 (no matter where he spawned, he would go
that
way)? The grids were E3 - G3, i think. On that map i think he takes the
OICW/GL, and uses it for carpet bombing.? On Embassy, Narauko was using
the
SA80 & Grenades, seemed to be using nades semi-effectively.? Thats all
for
now.

+MOD+ Tactics

I will try to note in this thread MOD's tactics--if any, lol.
#1- SAB always uses demo kit 9 SA80/frags, BFG uses OICW/sensors or
SA80/frags always.? Skillz usually takes OICW/sensors.? Sivak usually
takes
SA80/frags.
#2- SAB and Sivak are almost always? flankers.
#3- On Embassy, SAB always goes for the embassy roof.
#4- On Red Square, Skillz favors the center building in the south.
More to come-- I have to jog memory,
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Re:MOD
? Antwort #1 am: Juli 07, 2003, 10:42:45 pm ?
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MOD's Favorite Maps:
Red Square
Embassy
Small River
Vilnius
Small Docks

Virus Tactics

Virus is a very tough competitor. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THEM.
But after all, we are BTs_ and we beat them. And we'll continue to do
so.
Couple of points:? MP01 (little river) they immediately nade the
waterfall,
be very careful. My suggestion is to immediately get outta there and
secure
a position far enough away that a nade won't get you, and that you are
hidden. After that, its on you. be careful they move slow.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? mp08 (battlefield)? they fanned out and
then
took us out one by one... had sensor traps everywhere.? Be aware that
they
use the south-east cliffs as a camping point after setting sensors up.?
One
always moved to the biuldings (ie: church, ruins, etc.) and kept watch,
be
carefull if you don't move to that position immidiately after the game
begins, it's guaranteed there's one there.? Also, One was also camping
all
the way in the south of the map... hoping that someone will run by him.
Well
one did, and after we got nailed, he stayed there.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Aurora:? Always one went to the north-west
compound,
and one flanked east and west, get a? good position, and camp is my
advice,
they weren't too hard.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mountain: A fav of theirs, sensor the top
center
rige immediately and fall back below.? they won that because we weren't
prepared.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Caves: CAMP CAMP CAMP.... be careful... check
at
every tree and bush.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Red Square:? ? be careful, they don't necessarily
camp,
but they do. They move into position and stay there and wait for
someone to
move into position in front of them. Depends all upon the start points,
but
I'm sure you can figure out good set-up positions to wait for enemy at
all
the start points.
? ? That's it for now, unfortunately the one's we lost are kinda short
since
there were no tactics to be seen.

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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #1 am: Mai 27, 2003, 04:29:55 pm ?
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after we lost against collective and then against network too, this
could be
the next clan which could make some problems, especially because Joka
is now
inside there.
This could be a task for the "battle team" which fights against c| and
|n|.
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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #2 am: Mai 27, 2003, 09:27:06 pm ?
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Roger that....
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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #3 am: Juni 19, 2003, 05:20:21 pm ?
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What a joke this clan has become...
Getting beaten by MOD guys and Animal clan... What a joke!
Last years winners? I think the Winner title should go towards Flies
instead
of all of Virus...

(Just a little insert from me, Wolf, this is the kind of shit that made
me
leave BTs, this is what Eight is doing all over the place, more and
more
now.  Incase you hadnt noticed. =P...now, moving on)

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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #4 am: Juni 19, 2003, 07:14:38 pm ?
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RGR THAT EIGHT!
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Re:[V] Virus
? Antwort #5 am: Juni 19, 2003, 08:44:55 pm ?
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and joka doesnt help them?
muuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaah now u see how good joka was......
would be interessting how good i meight be when i play with v?

The Network Tactics

Re:|n| The Network
? Antwort #1 am: Mai 29, 2003, 03:24:08 am ?
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Ok, this is kind of long, but it will give you a pretty good idea of
what
the |n| guys will do on any given map.? The games were played with
Noto,
Juggla, Skull, and Paladin.? iMolk came in half way through.?
K, from what i could tell, every |n| takes OICW/Sensors, except Skull,
who
switched between Sensors and GL, tho primarily GL.?
Paladin frequently took a support gun, MG3 or SAW, though i think he
may
just have been screwing around, he used it semi-effectively for pinning
fire, while the rest of the team advanced.?
I dont think there is anything else, however it is good to remember
that
this is just a little guide as to how these specific |n| worked
together,
and at the particular situation, this doesnt mean this is what they
will all
do in a CB, but it can give you a general idea of what the specific
people
will do if we go up against them in a CB, so we can know somewhat of
what
they themselves MIGHT do.
Here is a list of the games we played, its a little unorganized because
i
was trying to type it all down as the game progressed.? I took a couple
gajillion screenshits of where people were going and their weapons, i
should
be flooding eight's computer with them in a moment, so you can get them
from
him, or? ask me to send them to you.
|n| - Red Square, Noto and SKull headed for the seats across the way,
and
advanced along the side, paladin camped in the middle west side with a
sensor, next to the monument in the middle.? Juggla went along the
backside.? Noto using OICW/sensors. skull unknown.
(RS Round two) - iMolk camps at north middle of map,? grid M2, and
doesnt
move, period.? Noto and rest of |n| spread out and used paladin for
supressing fire with MG3, to advance on positions.? Didnt see any |n|
using
the back way to advance.
Embassy - From spawn 4, went to 3 & 1, noto and juggla did, covered
flanks
then converged on middle, paladin set sensor on inside corner of
embassy
grounds, H10.? Sar uses M4/rocket launcher.
(Emb round 2) - Juggla and Paladin cover spawn point 2 by hiding behind
rubble at F9, paladin used that to supress advance at D12.? iMolk
circled
around embassy and came out by the bank.? Noto hung back and let people
die
at D12, then attempted to advance down through the embassy grounds and
flank
by going into ally from the parking garage side.
Airbase - Paladin camped on ridge at K11/10, Noto swung south west
along
bottom of map, while juggla it looks like came south as well, from the
NW
spawnpoint.? Interesting to note that DFA Sar glitched on the hill near
where paladin camped out. (with sniper rifle)
Swamp - Didnt know what they were doing, all |n| followed noto, and
didnt
know what to do or where to go.? Primarily stayed near the spawnpoint
on
high ground and watched for any movement.? Skull swung wide from his
spawn
and came in from the flank, while the rest of his team was engaging
mine in
the south.? Juggla, Paladin, and Noto all took OICW/Sensors.
Ghost Town - Noto, OICW/Sensors? Paladin/skull camp upper town with
sensor
traps.? Skull takes OICW/ Nades, Paladin Sensors.? Noto unsure, seemed
to
try a fast moving spearhead from behind, went to known spawn, then
followed
the likely route the other team would have taken, to attempt a hit from
behind, or flank.?
RoadBlock - Juggla sensor camps at K15 area, parked beside bunker with
a
sensor guarding approach down, set sensor ambush.? Juggla & Noto,
always
take sensors, Paladin as well, Skull seems to go for the OICW/GL
Aurora - Juggla & Paladin immediately went down south from spawnpoint
4,
crossed bridge, went into gulch and came up other side through rocks,
flanked.? skill waited in compound it seemed like.? Skull uses NF,
Juggla as
well it seems
Stronghold - Two |n| went north immediately along edge of map, skull
camped
in compound.? Juggla and iMolk camped their spawn.? Noto doesnt use
command
maps, juggla does
VIlnius - Juggla and Paladin paired up from spawn 1 and went down
street to
the souh west, Skull swung up around thru street to check top spawn,
(#4?)?
Without Noto on their team, it seems that |n| loses alot of its
direction,
as paladin and juggla came under fire and wouldnt advance period.
POW Camp - iMolk and other |n| swung up from spawn 4 around POW camp in
attempted backdooring.? Skull went into POW camp and came through that
way.?
So skull went through POW camp to hit from side or stall advance while
iMolk
swung around back.?
Mountain? - |n| immediately went for high ground, and when superior
numbers
achieved, came down from higher ground to mop up.
River (small) - Skull went for high ground, as well as noto i think.?
Three
|n| on my team, one anchored the middle, two flanked, caused trouble
but
just gave pinning fire, did not assault. (one left and one went right)
Farm Day - juggla camp A10, imolk camp at I16.? Noto swung around top
of map
to A, flanked there.? Juggla went through fields by downed plane, skull
swung south and came in at L Grid.? Noto came down along river once
superior
numbers established.
Riverbed - |n| not very used to Riverbed, noto expressed dislike of
it.?
imolk and juggla camped along ridge at N4-5.? Camp.? Noto and Juggla
checked
spawn points, then backed up the one that found the real spawn.? Skull
advanced across riverbed while being covered by iMolk and Juggla.? Once
superior numbers established, juggla advanced and mopped up, iMolk
unknown.
Refinery - noto went for ramp, skull unknown, imolk swung up from
refinery
and was moving into position to cover the top of the ramp from the
buildings.?
Creekbed - iMolk set up probably in the I or H grids, paladin covered
spawn
three, then moved only a few minutes into the game.? iMolk at J7,
corner of
house, skull crossed river and died at K9.?
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Re:|n| The Network
? Antwort #2 am: Mai 29, 2003, 03:28:04 am ?
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one more thing, Noto doesnt use the Command maps, however Juggla does.?
And
it isnt any surprise they use NF.
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Re:|n| The Network
? Antwort #3 am: Mai 29, 2003, 03:38:05 am ?
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BTs_Lone-Wolf: Juggla has the command maps, but Noto doesnt
Ok, was explaining some stuff to eight and he asked me to put it up on
the
forum, and i, in classic lazy bastard style, am far too lazy to delete
my
name from the msgs i was sending to eight.? So, here it is (i did
however
delete eight's msgs, since he didnt have anything intelligent to say,
as
usual)? ? Wub you eight!
BTs_Lone-Wolf: and they use NF
BTs_Lone-Wolf: just giving you all the info i got
BTs_Lone-Wolf: in addition Noto is their leader, as far as i could see
in
this game
BTs_Lone-Wolf: Paladin Juggla and Skull would usually follow Noto
wherever
he went if they were on the same team
BTs_Lone-Wolf: iMolk was more prone to striking out on his own
BTs_Lone-Wolf: if Noto wasnt with them, they would pair up and advance,
however they were very very slow about it
BTs_Lone-Wolf: Noto is definately their leader
Bts_Lone-Wolf: without him they dont have much decision making
capability,
and will generaly stall in the area theyre in if they come under fire.

Please post what you think about this. Personally I am in shock =O

what the fuck you mean you're not responsib;e>??????????/ Where do you get off putting that shit here. Were you invited to the site? Were you in BTs ever? I'm glad that you have somehow gained access to our private forums, and that you are now showing HOW WE FUCKIN SMACK YOU ALL DOWN YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER!


Ya, we have dossiers, we fuckin know who does what... and you have the fuckin balls to put it here???? You big fuckin pussy! I wish I knew who you were, I'd smack you down so fuckin hard you'd beg for mercy from a bitch touching you, you worthless piece of shit!  You are so fucked asshole, I'm making it a mission to bring you down motherfucker... you're done!


   SignTist

In all fairness xaiv was simply the liason here.... dont shoot the messenger...
anyways, i Frankly am appalled at  the slanderous accusations in this document, I mean, I like MP|Ace, i dont see why you call him an "ass hole"
im not sure where this info came from, but maybe you ahve a traitor among your ranks???

OMFG THIS IS SO HALARIOUS (and satisfying)!!!! UP YOUR ASS BTS!!!!!!


 :-[ :P ::)

now compare that....to this... http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=4332

same text...

Now eight id like your comment on why lone wolf says you made that post.

The only thing that I'd like to see is an explaination from X1 Xavier as to why this was posted.

What is said in private should remain private. Very cheap move to post such things.

Funny

Lone-wolf said he never said such thing.
Didn't u and nova an wolf all leave because everytime i got into a fight with someone on the forums everyone blamed bts? If i have something to say i do so. I dont give a fuck what problems it brings... maybe stupid but i dont go around posing as a guest. Maybe an admin can check the ip of Mr. Sinister post? See if it matches mine?

Bah... its all old info anyways... unlike alot of u clans out there we kept records on everyone so we were not surprised when cb time came around.

and so what?! if we want to call ace whatever the fuck we WANT!

ITS OUR PRIVATE SECTION OF OUR FORUMS!

But whatever...

Sign an the rest of BTs... Leave this issue alone we got nothing to hide and all the info is old anyways...

You think the Collective has been watching you?

hehehe.....

By the way... Whoever did steal an post that info who was in BTs...

Should be checked to see how loyal one can be to a clan.....
I think that all clans out there should keep an eye on any ex-bts players....

They came in as friends, had there disagreements... and now backstabs the clan.

I also think its wierd that most of that is in german (or some other language) and yet somehow i am to believe that Lone-wolf was the guy who read and posted little notes here and there on it?

My money is on either Joka who keeps crying about his stupid SS (which by the way this all started right after joka re-asked for them and again was denied)

Or Nova who left unhappy.

Well shows you how much u can trust those 2. Maybe theyre new clan  will put up with all their bs. and when they are done with them post private info to the public.

I would like to know xa why you would post PRIVATE bts info?

ADMINS PLEASE CHECK IPS!

Errr....no thats not why I left, couple weeks ago you said I left cause I couldnt play in a cb....hey whadda ya know, seems like you know why i left better than i do, you seem like an expert in the matter...
*mumbles* motha fu..k..*mumbles*



Wtf, why the fuck are you dragging me in this mess, im just wondering if you made that post....wouldnt be unheard of if you insulted someone in your posts...

And eight...youre really not in a position to be calling anyone a backstabber...yea, I still remember that vote  :(

edit: and no i did not copy bts forum text.

ps. admins plz do check those IP's

Joka..

You dragged yourself into this mess by posting a room with this info.

I DONT USE GUEST ACCOUNTS.

what is said in the text yes i did write it IN OUR FORUMS.
What was said by snister on DAMN was not me. Have the ips checked.

And what now? I dont have the right to say whatever i want on my private section of my forums?

EAT ME!

Yes eight you are allowed to post what you want on your forums.

But if I remember the rules correctly, posting something like that over here gets you a ban...  :-X

So yea...lets get that IP checked if possible

Even if it was which it isnt... I dont think i should be banned for a rule that started AFTER the post was made.

IP CHECK PLEASE

holyshit clans were NEVER that organized, BT you guys did your Homework and that fucking pwnz.  Tell everyone to STFU and flash ur title.

There is no messenger here... there is one or a few that are just looking for BTs to get a bad rap... that's bullshit!

   SignTist

This wuz only part one.  Th3 M?l3 lives!  Who do u turst! 8)

Any1 want to know about all the crashez BTs has?  Want one of our tactics?

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CRASHING!
?on: May 21, 2003, 10:09:23 PM ?
Ok... Thanks to the Network's Cheap win over us we now know what to do whenever we have a problem with GhR.

If for any reason something is not right... Abort the game...

That means LEAVE THE GAME BEFORE YOU GET SHOT!

Seems like if you crash out it saves you from a bullshit win.

What is this w00t everyone speaks of?

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Re:CRASHING!
?Reply #1 on: May 22, 2003, 10:30:36 PM ?
Affirmative, rgr that.... thanks

?  SignTist

There will be more!!! :o  

My God. My God. I am somewhat saddened, and disappointed. This is disgusting, really. I mean, how can you NOT have an AgT Tactics thread, BtS? Oh yeah, it's cuz we suck and don't use tactics. Whoops.  ;D But anyways, shouldn't have posted their private information and stuff on the *DAMN forum. Bad boy.

Well, it's nice to know how BTs really thinks about other clans.  One minute they are kewl with them, the next they are backstabbing them in their own private forum.  And Sturm, nice way to backstab you're so called friends bro.  Nah, obviously you would never do that like you said to us before lol.  Whatever.  It's nice to know there is no honor there.

+MOD+Saberian

P.S. Now I see why you blocked Skillz, nice job traitor

Big Deal! What does everyone expect?  Anyone could fake all those posts or just alter some to make them seem more juicy.  Sab, I blocked skillz cuz he was getting all "gay-this" and "gay-that" and going off about some alleged posting on a private site that if you will read, my posts don't reveal to much of +MOD+'s magic--just a few generalities about a few of your habits that could be learned from playing against you (not just from being in +MOD+ formerly).  I would have no problem if +MOD+ had remembered how I play AND posted on their site.  I don't see how this is being a TRAITOR???!!!???  

READ the alleged 2 posts attributed to me SAB!
NO HONOR---lol!

LOL, thanks cow!


  SignTist

AND XAIV????

WTF?
What compelled you to post this alleged hearsay?
Messenger?  By posting said alleged hearsay you become PERPETRATOR.

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Yeah Sab what we think about ALL clans... only 3 were posted and 1 of them is not around anymore.

So yes you NOW know what i think of the clan MP and Ace... I mean if you didn't know....

Xa you must of missed my post about how much a dirty shit you are... FUCK YOU and anyone else helping your sorry asses...

Oh yes nova, i am coming for you.

I suppose that now you think we crash out at the first sign of trouble????? I'd like one clan that we cbed come here and say when one of us crashed and we asked for a re-do or some shit.  It never happened. And as far as that post is concerned, Mole, you fuckin leech, why don't you ask Mauti when there was ONE problem that we had with a member that couldn't see for a reason... I"m sure you remember that dickface, since youre so keen on the forums here... I'm sure you'll recall reading about that issue there. And so, that's where the crash out comes from... it's not for a sign of trouble because we're losing a cb, it's for a problem with your system, and  TYPING THE WORDS ABORT TO ALL PLAYERS DOESN"T GET YOU AN ABORT! Schmuck... I suspect who you are, but I'll wait till I have proof.




   SignTist

1- Ace IS an asshole. and he knows it.
2- Clans talk smack in private all the time. It's not like anyone RESPECTS eachother, pfft.
3- It's not wrong that they post tactical observations... in fact, it's quite smart. and seems to have been effective.

In conclusion, these aren't really "secrets", because please don't tell me you all didn't expect this. There's nothing really dirty, either. Just smack talk and inflated egos.

I couldnt even be bothered reading the damn thing! what a jackass thing to do!
actually i havent read a single post other than that i get a clear idea of whats been done. ffs! what  BTs think of other clans or strategies in private is their bussines only, if u have an "ace" like u think u have here - well keep it in your clan. i heard of ppl trying to infiltrate clans or just try tons of passwords to get into clans sites. get a life! its a game we're talking about here and how others play it should be their concern. what opinions stated in PRIVATE should be taken lightly by others and be handled with maturity. because nothing about this is mature.  I have no personal feeling either way towards Bts other than that i think they play well, what they think about me or [one] in private is....PRIVATE. the written word can be translated into many directions. so come on ppl, lets not waste the time of day on a thread that is only put out there to either, make BTs look bad, or put himself in a good light....my opinion is quite the oposite. go sit in a corner and be ashamed m8!

[one] Rampage

live everyday as it's your last

i don't know about you, but I can't wait for Part 2
Like all sequals, will it be better than the first?
 :o

I dunno, Fah, I'm hearing bad buzz about the sequel. ;) But anyways, Xaiv, why don't ya just be a man and delete the stuff you posted? Just find your posts, and modify all the shizinit away. It'd make everyone happy and it'd kinda help ya redeem yourself. Just a suggestion.

I am sorely disappointed in the person that is stealing BTs Private information, and I am HIGHLY disappointed in Xa. I though you were my friend. I am disappointed in a lot of people here. Not just disappointed. Really hurt. Maybe you dont care, but I have always tried to be fair with people and you just stabed me pretty hard. But you know what, whatever. I am really not sure how else to respond to everyone else. We were the best team last season and it wasnt because we cheat.  Know(Oops Cant spell) Now everyone wants to throw mud at us. Well, this is a game and there are alot of kids here so, I guess I should expect that. But when you build friendships and you are totally turned on, it hurts.

I'll see you around.

I was totally turned on by that post, Fusion.  ;D Well said.

 This is what we call "fucking bullshit".

To many people are missing the point here. The point of course being that things from BTs' private forum should not have been posted here.

I'm extremely impressed by some of the stuff - I've been in 3 clans, and we've never been even close to that organized.


And you should never have known. What people saying in their private forums should remain there.

Bullshit. Just plain bullshit.  [/color]

RGR THAT TYPHY!!!!!

Bro, that is my favorite TYPHY post and not because I'm in BTs!  I share your sentiments exactly (regardless of which clans would be involved) and I think you expressed them eloquently and emphatically!

          Right On! ::)

Well, this was one big information leak to be hopefully used to the advantage of all you n00bs that just suck ass at GhR!  l0l! ;D

Too bad it happened the way it did.  You should've done all this on your own time with your clan(if you were smart enough to think about it ??? ).  

Gj to BTs, and too bad bout the leak.  Maybe you'll find different ways to share your tactics. :o

While I know how important team tactics are, I know how lame it is when others come to you to learn your ways, just to turn around and backstab you.  Hell, thanks to all our team tactics, we trained the a lot of RS'ers from our community.  That's something I'm proud of! ;)  (caused for better games with good competition)   While we tried the forum technique before, I was always aware of how easily it would be for one backstabber to get the info and leak it out to the rest of the clans.  Even though I started to share a lot of tactics in our old |?K| forums, we didn't stick around with it too long just because of that.  The possibility of somebody, or even everybody being able to see what we think like.  That happened anyways when ex members would leave our clan, and work our tactics with their new clan.  Hell, |?K|*DeathShadow* still in effect to this day! ;D

Congratulations to BTs for how indepth you got, but shame on the leak.  That's just dishonorable.  Hell, if Xavier would've been smart, he would've took that info, and shared it with his clan, and been 1 step ahead of the BTs.  With this move, you can count on being 1 step backwards.  Gj! ;D  

Talk about a bad Chess Move! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/ass.gif)

Well, I cant say that I agree to posting private shit on here.  i am not saying that it was something that I would have done myself.  To be honest I really dont care either way what clans think about other clans.  I know all clans have issues with other clans.  My issue is about Sturm posting on our clan.  To be honest if someone else would have posted that in their little private forum I wouldn't have really cared.  Here's another thing.  Sturm, if you're gonna say you only wrote down observations of our clan fine.  But dont call them alleged.  By saying that they were only observations you are admitting to them.  Dont try and make it sound like it needs to sound lesser of an offense by trying to make it sound like it's an alleged thing.  What was written by you in that private forum was a fact and by saying that you only wrote observations is in fact an admittance to the act.   Anyway, again, I do not agree with Xavier posting this stuff here.   But what's done is done.  The big question is what is BTs gonna do about it?   As for Sturm banning Skillz, well, it seems odd that you ban the only person out of our clan that you will talk to after you go from +MOD+ to BTs after you are saying that you can talk so easily with him.  Hmm.  It seems that there is always something lurking behind the scenes with anything you say Sturm.
     I would just like to add that this reply above is only pertained to Sturm and not the rest of BTs.
     And one more thing,   If I have a problem with a clan you will see it here.  In person.  I might be harsh sometimes but I am as straight foreward as possible.  Also if I am wrong I will also state it as well.  I say what is on my mind and I dont pretend to be ok with someone when i am not.   So just be straight with us as a clan and we will do the same.   This way it's easier to work thing out =)  We have a serious clan but we do things differently then BTs does.  So plz refrain from talking behind our backs.  If you have an issue with us, talk to one of us, and we will straighten this out.  Because it's subterfuge like this that starts issues with other clans and if possible we would like to refrain from that happening in the future season.  Another reason why this shouldnt have been posted here.

+MOD+Saberian
     
     

Sab,

    I say allegedly beacause this is all fruit of a poisoned tree--allegations based on counterfeitable stolen private forum postings.  Then I refer to the allegations--as if they were possibly true to say BIG DEAL IF IT IS.


WHOA I GAVE UP ALL OF +MOD+'s SECRET TACTICS?

Honestly Sab you know that isn't all I know about +MOD+,  and that ",if any" part was because that's how I was asked to post--"please post any +MOD+ tactics, if any".
I don't think you need to worry about XAIVER spreading these secret tactics around.

Also note the GERMAN within the posts?(XAIV didnt intercept--It was a EURO former BTs traitor.

I think the meaning of Clan Battling and battling in general has gone to shit.  C'mon!  BTs_Sturm giving away tactics of MOD.  What blow my mind is the tactics he posted are completely false to this date.  Then again, Sturm never played a Clan Battle with me, so all the info he has are for those that play a whole shit load more.

My thoughts is Xaiver shouldnt have posted this.  Private is private.  Period.  Now the fact BTs and non-Ghost Recon players are being butthurt about this sheisst being posted?!?!

Also, Sturm, I know you just a little, and those GERMAN translating words are from European clanmember is probably bs.  The only people I can think of that would do that would be Dragon and you.  I know you are trying to learn german.  Not to mention Dragon's illtempered personality...

All I have to say is bs is bs...  To argue is more bs.   So we can lay off of this subject!

Blitz 8)

The only clan I was in that was organized was when I was in *D$, I made code words etc. ie:Speed=rush, bomb=nade/rush etc., but nothing like this extent, BT_s go join the military.

Hrm... now that you mention it signtist, I do seem to remember some suspicious crashing in a couple MP v. BTs cbs a while back. I just dismissed it as coincidence at the time but now I'm not so sure...

you know what i find hilarious about this whole mess?

the fact that bts actually thought that the random ass shit we did in cb's was actually tactics


on a more serious note, typhy is right (and everyone else who said that this shouldn't have been posted)  it would be the same as if someone went and posted something private off the mp forums, it's private and should never see the light of day.
although i do agree that ace is an ass (that's his forum title, DUH!) and i do have to commend you guys on excerlent record keeping

heh, what you fools don't know is that he was givin the pass, by a former BTs member (name is disclosed) and i do believe i know.

 ::)

I'm sure you all are wondering why I would post this on a public forum and I will do my best to awnser that question for you all. Fist off I want to say I knew before I posted this thread that I wasn't going to make any freinds nor was I trying to. I did know that I would make enimies but this kind of shit regardless of it being in a private forum or not was awful. It had definatly traversed the lines of gaming and reality in BTs minds. A good example would be wishing all of |MP| would be hit by cars. What the fuck???. Your going to wish death upon people over a fucking game?. What the fuck is wrong with you people?. They think by winning the batttle league their going to get more than a photoshop made icon?. I mean my god they play this shit like they'll win unspoiled riches at the end. You think you'll really earn respect by being the gaming gods of Ghost Recon?. BTs I respect you all as much as I respect my rock smoking next door neighbor which would be nill. BTs takes this issue so seriously they have threatened to come to my home and kill me and my family. Called my fellow clan members after looking them up on the internet to harrass them. Looked up my criminal records and god knows what else. All because I gained accsess to their shitty website to show you all a glimpse of the truth?. If someone were to gain admittance to my website and display my clans secrets would I really give a shit? NO!!! BTs you all need mental help because obviously this game has become a bit too real for you. As for rapid and your post I found that this was not accurate information on the other clans tactics therefore is of no use to me and besides I would rather treat the other clans with fairness in a cb and be on equal ground. And sturm you made a post about liking your icon. Well yeah it's really nice too bad you didn't play for BTs in season 4 to EARN IT. Now STFU. I am sorry to any other clans if I hurt you in any way It was not my intentions I was able to get the information and display it for you all too see and face it the BTs leaders are total assholes LOL you think ace is bad try talking to an ex-BTs member and ace will look like a little puppy dog compared to signtist and eight. BTs you wanna act high and mighty well I'm the man thats gonna knock you off your fuckin horse. And eight take your BTL=Bacon Lettuce & Tomato league and shove it right up your candy ass.

BTs=BORN TO SWALLOW
 

Well...

Like your website should say:

X1 Stealth - bts tactics - dishonor

You upset that were actually finding out personal info on you?
Would you be even more upset if i started posting all your personal info online?

What was said behind those private forums IS PRIVATE. If i want to say xaveir is a cocksmoker, then guess what i can say that.

Yes maybe someone did say ace should be run over by a car. But its not ill thinking its the everyday soap opera that goes on in this game.

I dont see what your problem is and why you would do this... but you just opened a whole can a warms...

Cya soon...!

Eight, you know I hate you, but I've never wished you to be run over by a car. (Well maybe your computer, but that's a different story. :P) Just own up to it. You got schooled, and now you have egg on your face.

If anyone in BTs tries to exact revenge on Xaiver for this, I can guarantee you that I will find every last little nasty secret. Trust me Rob, finding basic personal info is mere child's play. There is a whole can of worms that your clan does not want to get into.

Chill, fellas. You have to be a moron to think they REALLY wanted MP to get run over by cars. I joke about that kind of stuff all the time, and that's just what it is, a joke. Nobody was praying to Satan and sacrificing goats in hopes of making cars run over Ace and Bucc. lol. Just relax. Also, all this talk about BTs being assholes...you guys must be crazy. They are one of the nicest bunch of GhR players around. I've never had problems with any of them. So, just treat others as you want to be treated, do unto others...,etc.

  OK, now this shit has gone way out of hand.  Clan shit is one thing, but actually looking up personal info on someone!?!  That is utterly Psychotic! If this isnt the case then scratch what I am about to say.  If this is true, then you guys need to get a fucking life.   Whatever the case may be, this is bullshit.  If it is true that someone is looking up personal shit about someone to do something to them then they have no fucking balls.  

BTs takes this issue so seriously they have threatened to come to my home and kill me and my family. Called my fellow clan members after looking them up on the internet to harrass them. Looked up my criminal records and god knows what else

The paragraph above was written by Xavier.  If this is true then BTs is full of shit.  Tell them to fuck off cause they have no fucking balls!  If ya want to take someone on, then I would love a challenge.  I love fucking people up! Trust me =D   By saying what you guys did is I think the most dishonerable thing I think that can be done.  I mean threatening someone's family?!? Over a fucking game?!?  Even if you are pissed about a fucking website for a game there is no need to attempt to go that far.  Find me and try and take me out!   I'll stick a foot right up anyone's asses that fuck with my family!   I am not defending Xavier, but I do defend people against bullshit like this.   You can call someone and harass them, but if you're gonna walk the walk, talk the talk foo's.  Step up and represent, otherwise step down, admit you were stupid for going this far and STFU!  So if this is the case and you did say this shit to Xavier, then you better step up, otherwise you're nothing but a bunch of fucking pussy ass liars!
     I can understand someone being pissed about shit but to go this far is fucking childish!  Again, either grow up or grow some balls and step up to the plate and walk the walk.

Srry, this pussy ass shit pisses me off cause I think you have to have seriously no balls to fucking physically harass someone online like that.  Again, a clan is a clan.  Threatening someones life should never happen.  And the line has been crossed if the above is true.  Again, if not then scratch the above.


+MOD+Saberian

Well XAIVER/DEATH ANGEL/ORACLE,

I played in the season 4 Finals for BTs<---#1

I played in and won 10/11 of the 22 (half) season 4 games for +MOD+<--#3

Those are both of the clans I was in this season.  

All you have a record of is a history of failed do-nothing clans and a post (and theft) of alleged private information.

<-----I'm proud of my icon and will have SEASON 5's too!

CRYPT--WHO DID IT?

Sturm, you did play many CB's with us, that is true.  But to be honest we kept ya in as the third person at the time.  You didnt win 11 cb's for us.  In reality it was mainly the other players that scored most of the kills.  You keep posting that you did so much for us.  Sturm, I can be ok with the fact that you want to sound like you are better then you are, but this is getting old.  so plz stop saying how you did all this to get us to where we are.  WE made the finals without you and we will again.  So stop.  You probably dont desreve the icon but what the hell.  Shit happens.

+MOD+Saberian

I played in 11 cbs which we won 10 out of 22 total +MOD+ wins.

Thats all I said and its true.

In a cb, a win is a win.  Each member of a 3-5 man team has a function and when the team wins, each member wins--its a team remember?  Plus I rocked, I rock, and I will always rock!

keep trying Sab, maybe someday! ::)

HOW did you make the finals without me?
Negate all my wins with you and you negate half of +MOD+s wins.  You would have a lot of catching up to do to make the finals.

lol, u are a fool Sturm. lol   First off you played in 11 cb's total. Not out of 22.  God, you cant even add.  Which you were in 10 cb's out of the 11 that we won.  the only good thing about you Sturm is that you follow orders.  other then that you were pretty much useless.  As far as you rock, lol, keep dreamin foo.

+MOD+Saberian

what I dont understand here is why hasnt a moderator from GG locked and moved this to the spam sewar-works?!?

All that leaving this thread here says is that we condone hacking into websites and gaining access to private information...unbelievable. I can only imagine what Mauti will say when he gets back.

Sab,

  I said out of 22  total +MOD+ cbs--exactly like you said--there is no confusion I know how to add.

My record= 10 wins 1 Loss

I didn't get into BTs because I was from +MOD+ lol, as-if!.  I tried out. They invited me.

Its easy for you to say I wasn't good or necessary in the cbs NOW.  How about when you chose me for those cbs over the other 52 +MOD+ members--HOW SHOULD THAT MAKE THEM FEEL SAB?

AND NOTICE I DIDNT RIP ON YOUR "ABILITIES" OR CLAN?

AND WHY WOULD YOU BEG ME FOR WEEKS TO COME BACK TO +MOD+?

You're the one who doesnt add up. LOL. ::)

haha, PWNED, good one assassin/PdXn.......i mean Sturm :P im not gonna get into this, but this forum sees at least one flaming pos thread like this everyweek..........

and im not telling who i think it was........

well... i think we all need to melow out, so much tension... not good for GhR

ok eight and sign - i was thinking about apologizing to u guys about this whole thing, but ive heard that you called up two of my clan-members on the phone and threatened them.... Is this true??? if so, u have deserved everything u've gotten - and more.  when i talk to you guys online, both of u (signtist at least) seem like such nice guys. i cant believe u would do such a thing over something so trivial as this.  shame on you.

                       -gabe   ???

All that I can say is thanks for all of your actions and comments about me and BTs, Xa. Thanks for hacking into My Forum and Hacking My server. Will I follow up with Legal Actions, No.. Could there be, yes. I am a big kid and Voodoo is helping me fix the problem. Thanks Voodoo. As for others sending me emails, you know who you are, thanks for lying to me. I am fed up with alot of people here, but as I said early, this is a game and I have to remember, most people here are kids or they act like kids. As for death threats and other threats I say shut up and grow up. This was my software and my servers that got hacked. Does this piss me off, well yes. But I will do my best to fix the problem. As for Xa's comments about us, well you can see the level he stooped, I wonder how much better he actually thinks he is. Well, thats all for now..

P.S. I asked myself the same question when I posted earlier Voodoo.

Here is what I don't understand.  Ghost Recon is a FUCKING GAME!!!!  If BTs takes the game this serious... Well, grow up!  If you want to spend the rest of your life in a fantasy world, so be it, but taking it to get personal information and threating lives, come on!  You 8 and SignTist have sunk to a new low.  And by the way Sturm... Lay off the weed and beer while you play the game. And another thing, get a job or some type of life.

If anything I think Fusion is acutally the only Grown-up in BTs that does not do stupid shit like 8 and SignTist do.

Blitz 8)

Blitz,

        cb ONCE!

         Then maybe think of talking smack, hack!

PS-Go through puberty. Enjoy a beer and smoke grass daily!  


You are the only reason I left +MOD+.

Your Signature should be: "BLITZ MEANS NOTHING ON THE BATTLEFIELD-HE HAS NEVER BEEN THERE"

Sturm, I am really suprised you don't have a job yet.  Go apply at a Burger King or something... Get a life, the world does not evolve around GhR!

Blitz 8)

PS - I probably have more balls than you!  Also, cheating the government out of money from social security is a big no-no...  Sturm read my signature...

BTS,
Figure it out it wasn't hacked, one of your own or ex clan members gave out your password. If you need thumbprint technology to log onto your forum, and somebody cracks it then you can call it a hack.

I guess I don't agree with posting this info, but it didn't give away any tactics,  it just shows you guys keep good notes. Obviously it has served you well, or is a coincidence maybe you just have good players.

I think what you are really pissed about is that your trash talking is public knowledge now. A real clan would just take that bulletin board material and be motivated to beat you next season. I hope it isnt true that BTS is threatening X1 Clan.  That would be out of hand and bullshit. GhR is a game and ONLY a game- and maybe youall can learn a lesson- if you say the same thing in public-and I consider a lot of BTS Clan "friends"-as you do in private-then nothing embarassing comes out. It's called good sportsmanship-maybe you guys could work on it a little. All the rest is delusions of grandeur.  Just my two cents.
-Solidus

"Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you"
-Richard Nixon

He obtained the pass into your private forum so you send him death threats. Well well well, so your forum is worth more than his life? Did you threaten to smack your teacher in the head when she gave you an "F" or are you just being a sick fuck right now?

I bet Xav could press legal charges if he wanted to. Death threats went way too far man. Also if you guys looked up my personal info I swear to god I would press legal charges on account of those perverted activites. I understand your anguish to xav and whoever did break into your server but it is nothing compared to looking up someone's criminal background record. Thats may hurt people's welfare, as in economic status, security, and peace of mind. Just because some fuck goes into your forum dosent mean you can be a sick perverted fuck too.

Fusion I have respect for you for conducting yourself maturly unlike some of you other clanmates throughout this ordeal for you. Eight you have always been kinda geeky to me, but now I know that you are in to stalking people on the net.

Xav it was wrong of you to post this, then again I knew about this file a month ago! Oh and by the way I have never had respect for you.

Accually, MY forum and My Server, was hacked by a program to gain access.

Fusion, if that's the case I stand corrected. And it's not/wasn't cool. I'll let the rest of my comments stand.
=Solidus

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT... I DIDNT MAKE ANY THREATS

So keep your 2 cents

I said BTS not you. And Here's the quote:
"I hope it isnt true that BTS is threatening X1 Clan.? That would be out of hand and bullshit."
So YOU get YOUR facts straight. Don't get your panties in a bunch Fusion, it might chafe you when you play GhR.
-Solidus

Read the name on top of the quote Solidus...

It says Cossack not Solidus.. So I will tell you now.

Please get your facts straight before posting.

I think what Cossack was trying to say is that he could have Eight and Signtist brought up on charges.  To be honest I dont thin that Fusion would do something like that.  He dosen't seem the type to let petty shit like this get out of hand.  As for the hack, well, I doubt that.  In any case a public website is hard to get a case brought up if that is the case with hacking cause there is no monetary value coming and going within the site.  As for Stalking, well, that could easily be brought up on charges.

     Typhy, sometimes I wonder why you ever participate in these discussions if you dont know wtf is going on.   Signtist and Eight phone called Xavier and threatened his life and family, not online you fool.  That is the issue.

+MOD+Saberian

As for Sturm,

     We did want you back and that is a fact cause we thought you were our friend and just mis-led.  It seems that you are just a freaking moron instead, but that's ok.  And no u freaking addict, you cannot add.  We all realise now that you were a complete waste of time, and what all the other members of +MOD+ were telling me is true, you are a waste of breath.  
     It's funny how you say you were invited when Eight keeps telling me that it was all you that was wanting into BTs.  Either way good riddens.  You're a worthless piece of dogshit anyway, and i am sorry for ever wanting you back in this clan cause we are better off without you.  The only person I feel bad about iis Blitz cause when he was gone we almost let go a loyal member for you're sorry excuse for a human being.  All those times we tried to get ya back but you were too much of a fucking pussy to even talk to us.  You have no balls Sturm and I for one dont want a whiny, pussy little 31 year old on my team anyway, who is married, but has the time to pick up on women cause he spends so much time online that he probably dosent get any at home with his wife.  Who by the way if she knew what you were doing would have a field day with you sorry excuse for an ass.   And the funny thing is Sturm, BTs would have never even noticed you're sorry ass if it wasnt for +MOD+ =D.  So eat you're sorry excuse for pride and STFU you worthless excuse for a human being.  And I mean that in the nicest way.
=D

+MOD+Saberian ,,|,

Accually I know for a fact that I was hacked........ And I have proof so yes, I could bring up charges....... But you know that I wouldn't do something like that.

solidus, dont be mad at fusion. he has actually handled the situation very well.  he didnt threaten anyone


                       -gabe

An update:

SignTist has worked things out with Xa and well the rumor that is being spread is not all accurate. So I would ask for the people not involved to stay out of this. Xa is working with BTs to work out this issue. Thank you Xa.

Sab,

HAHA! ::)

Everyone knows how good you are!

I just want to remind ppl that the majority of the x1 clan has nothing to do with this incident, so plz dont try to bring them into this or put them at fault. thx
 
              -gabe  ;)

Haha! that's right Sturm, the truth is now out =)  So you can sit and spin

Die!  Die!   Die!
hah, he must be telling himself that =D

Negative Sab, I never threatened his family. I told him if he ever mentions my mother again, I'll kill him. And if anyone wants to bring anyone from my family into anything, I'll be the first to jump on you. If death is immenent, so be it. I don't give a fuck about some punk that has no respect for another person's family when the issue at hand is between the two of them.


It has been settled now, so fuck off if it's not enough of a closure for you.



     SignTist

 :)

Alright all this has gotten way out of hand and a stop must be put to it. I am closing this disscussion and BTs and X1 are not going to argue about this issue any longer whats done is done. I'm going to aplogize to any of you that were offended by this post not out of fear because of the threats that were made to me because I am a big boy. I have a wife and three little children whom it is my responsibility to defend and I would kill anyone that tried to harm them. Honestly I hacked the forums and I posted the information  found in them. I am the sole person responsible for that no one else. X1|Clan was not involved in this issue in any way shape or form it was between BTs and ME.  Signtist and Eight did attempt to call my house to make death threats upon me and one of my other X1 members and they looked up public information on me.
The threats I do not care about like I said I'm a grown man and I can handle my own ask eight I'm sure he found all my assault and battery charges =P. I did make fun of signtists mother whom is dead and I did infiltrate a website that was not my property. So you know what we both were in the wrong. I aplogize for the mayhem I have incured. So BTs now it's up to you to post your aplogies for threatining my family. You all know that shit was about as cool as what I did to you.

Thank you Xa, It takes a man to do what you just did and I thank you for your post. Seeing how I can not apologize for others, I will strongly urge them to do so. Thank you and per our PM conversion. We have worked things out between us. I am still as you understand, upset that this all happened but things happen and things are worked out. I hope people will learn from this. Again thank you for taking the step to work this out.

Thanks for the post Xaiv, I know it's hard... but i do appreciate what you said.



AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I"M SORRY TOO! I had seen something that threw me over the edge, and I had gotten personal info. I'm sorry for using it against you. I can assure you that I have learned my lesson and that I won't be doing such an action again. Please accept my apologies, as they are sincere and I want nothing more than to go back to the way things were. Thanks for listening Xa... see you online.


   SignTist

You GhR fuckers are lame ass.  Play for fun dumbasses.

Yo Fusion your last post about how you felt, I confused the words. It sounded kinda like you were giving me an excuse for sending death threats. Yeah I am sorry for misreading man. You now have my respect again and more of it for conducting yourself admirably throughout this ordeal unlike your clanmates.

However I am suprised both parties admitted fault and actualy apologized. Never in a thread have I seen someone with enough balls to actually apologize.

now that everyone is apologizing, i think it is safe to lock this thread to make sure this matter is over