*DAMN R6 Forum

Well, first I want to say that I know nothing about this, because I was not present at the time that anything took place.
What I have heard, however, is that Evill is considering shutting GameRanger down.

Some of the reasons that I've heard are that not enough people are buying Premium, and that Evill's tired of dealing with the "hassles" and "retards."

I'm sure most of you know more than me, so please, lets find out what's going on.

It's also important to remember not to trust anything you hear until we get the chat log posted somewhere.

i dont see GR shutting down in the future he has built a Mac Gaming Empire and GR is built into almost every MAC multiplayer game now.  

 if he wants to, i bet he could talk apple into including GR with every new mac

The problem is that Mac game porting houses abandoned him, if it goes, it goes, I just hope IRC doesn't become the next big thing for mac gaming.

What is IRC, internet chat relay?  What is it and where is it?

             BTs_ST u RM ::)

Damnit he better not shut it down.

I 2nd that

Also, Snipe where did you hear this?

I don't believe it, but whatever. Maybe this is a stunt to get more people to buy premium or maybe he's tired of us.

If GameRanger does shut down someone willsee this as an oppertunity to pick up where he left off(hopefully) and if that doesnt happen then maybe Mauti can set something up for atleast Ghost Recon with servers, every other game seems to be screwed then

The world economy would collapse no one would get any job done at all  ;D

Naah i would love to see this happen, more users more fun. And i bet it would be small penny for apple to uphold x amount of  server's that evill is paying for now...well not mb small pennys but little

well there is mag...
Which if i'm not mistaken has autojoining sorta working in beta form. But last i heard, their main program briger left. Maybe he can be convinced to come back and i know Ace and I would be glad to help him with the programing.

I sorta got the feeling that evill was loosing interest a while ago when he would bitch to me in the command bunker about how he has wasted 5 years of his life on GR, and he hasn't gotten anything. I was also talking to him about a few ideas for coding a AA dedicated mac server submission box that would list dedicated AA servers for mac users(when the server was released on mac). His reaction was, do it yourself, and if you don't know bsd socket programing then it won't happen.

Nomad, if you look on gameranger, there are a lot of people with things like "GR4Ever!!" on their names. It's not just a small rumor. It's something big, many people have heard about it, and it may or may not really happen.

OK, I don't know how or where the rumor started, but I will fill you guys in on a good conversation I had with Evill last week.

He's been frustrated with the dumbass antics (my words, not his) of so many of the people on GR, and keeping it up and running is a full time job.  A full time job that he hasn't made shit doing.  He told me how much money he made from GR last year after paying for all it's expenses, and let me tell you, it wouldn't cover my bills for two months.  He did say that he's thought about just chucking the whole thing.

It's not like he doesn't have to work to update GR, it's not like he doesn't have to set it up for every game that comes out, and work with the game publishers so they interface correctly.  Add to that the bullshit he puts up with just listening to the dumbasses bitch all the time.  

So, here's what I have to say about it.  All those people bitching because there's an ad up there, fuck off.  Click on the damn ad for him just so they know it's getting looked at.

Anyone that's worried that GR may go away and hasn't paid for premium yet, go pay right now or shut it (aka put up or shut up).  Evill doesn't make shit off GR right now, and you are worried that it will be gone, but not willing to fork out $50 for it?  That's the price of most new games.  If you can spend the cash, or get the game as a gift, get one less game and pay for GR (tell mommy to buy it for your birthday if you have to).  

Face it, if you can afford a computer, and a decent internet connection, and the games, then you can afford to pay for GR Premium.  Even if you are a kid, just tell your parents to pay for that instead of one stinking game a year.  Now, there may be a small percentage of people out there, that can't afford it right now.  Between jobs, all money went to tuition.  Well, those are a very very few people.  $50 isn't really that much money when you break it down.  What do you spend $4 a month on that you can't cut back?  One less pack of cigs?  One or two less drinks at a bar?  Two less comic books? Half a movie ticket? In a month.  Shit, come mow my lawn, that's $20 for the 1.5 hours you'll spend doing it and you are almost half way there.  

If you are one of those people that just pirates everything because you think it's ok and doesn't hurt anybody, well, you shouldn't be bitching.  Evill has to eat too (and pay rent, car, all the other expenses of life).  

Oh, and be nicer to the guy.  Don't go bitching at him all the time.  He's given you something that you obviously value, don't be an ingrate.  

Well said. It cannot be put any more clearly than that.

I just have one thing to add about the banners that people bitch about.

I like seeing banners up there! I mean, it's a great way to learn about upcoming games without being obnoxiously spammed with grossly distracting advertisements.

What I am wondering about is why we don't see more ads up there! What better way is there for publishers to advertise multiplayer mac games, or even single player mac games! I mean, there are hundreds of mac gamers seeing it at the same time, and it's the only ad on their entire screen! What better way to advertise mac games. I think publishers are missing a great opportunity by not having their ads put on gameranger.

I say: More banners!!! More ads!!!

The more the merrier, because the more there are, the less we have to worry about forced-paying and shutting it down altogether.

start using as many http proxies as you can find to click the ads, hell i could give it 500clicks from "different" ips if i tried in a few hours.

As for publishers... think about the last few games that had shit for GR support, AA, AVP2, and if i'm not mistaken UT2k3 didn't come with built in GR support. Combine that with the fact that we haven't seen an ad in 6 months untill a few weeks ago, and you'd think that the developers turned their back on him.

MB this isn't such a bad idea now...
Evill: HIT THE PAYPAL QUOTA, AND TYPHY AND RAPID GET BANNED!
 ;)

I agree with Bucc.  This would completely suck if GR was shut down, we wouldn't be together, Evill has an empire and without it the mac gaming community will take a step backwards and all these battle league updates and games will be lost, along with many friendships.  Please click the adds and pay 50 dollars for Premium.  You can all afford it, I'm 15 years old and I worked 24 hours last week and I made 150 dollars, come on guys.

thank god i am on a PC now. Phew.  but still it is sad to see this happen =( good ol GR.  There will be a lot of lost friendships but i bet apple could pick up the slack if we all went to them and begged and pleaded.  This would be a penny for apple as well, wouldnt cost them a lot all.  I think some of the more hardcore gamers would switch to PC if GR was not around and we know apple would not want this to happen.

Ya im going to get my mom to get me it. Pay the 49.95 ONE time a year and thats it. i hate fucking cheap ass people it's really is pathetic if you can aford  the internet, games and computer you can afford premium. Just what bucc said,  and well said i might add.

 Yeah, if you can afford your computer and internet connection, then you can afford permium. If you can afford permium, then you can afford MOH:AA, if you can afford MOH:AA, you can afford SH, if you can afford SH, you can afford RTCW, if you can afford RTCW, then you can afford UT 2003, if you can afford UT 2003, you can afford SOF2, if you can afford SOF2, you can afford AvP, if you can afford AVP, you can afford AVP 2, if you can afford all that, then you can afford a new computer.

Priorities, guys. Personally, I'd rather spend money on things that I want, as oposed to making donations when I don't have much cash to spare.  

I don't understand why Apple wouldn't advertise hardware. I only don't have premium cause I don't have a credit card and my parents wouldn't spend 50 dollars on a gaming app.

 I'll buy premium later today, simply to show my support for GameRanger, however, I can see why not everyone is willing to.

 There! It's done! It's bought!

That's it right there Typhy.  And if GameRanger is a priority, then people should donate to it.  If GR isn't a priority, then people shouldn't bitch about it.

The bottom line is that anyone that doesn't donate to GR (ie pay for premium) has no real right to bitch if Evill was to close it down.  

 I completly agree with Bucc.

I have no problem with people who don't pay for Premium, however, obvious it's a lower priority than other things for you. That's your choice. However, if you don't pay, you don't have the right to complain about it.

Muahha i can complain now.

I'm gonna try to get a hold of my parents credit card with a good excuse and put some food on Scott's table and some joy in his heart.

I thought I was going to have to write half a page about the subject, but Bucc already wrote everything needing to be said so I guess I won't have to do that. ;)

Just one thing though, putting 'GR Forever' behind your name isn't going to help at all, I see too many newbie users (that aren't premium) with that tag and that is really fucking annoying. Just buy the fucking shit and be happy.

gameranger: bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine
evill (cat): reeeer!!! HISS HISS (makes clawing noises)
(http://www.didyouknow.cd/animals/graphics/cat.jpg)

evill should just update less and get a day job. I have a tough time accomodating the complaints of one whose job is to sit at home and update an online gaming service, regardless of how low his pay is.

I agree, Kami. If it's important enough to you, that you'd wear that beside your name, then fork over the money, and you've got the right to complain.

yes im sick of hearing it.

Tasty, if that's the way you feel about it, then you should have no complaints if he closed it, right?  I mean, why should he do this when he could make a shit load more money slinging code full time, right?  And no, nobody wants him to make sure every new game works with GR, right?  And everyone is so nice to him, and never give him shit, right?



I really don't get the "I want it for nothing, and I'm still going to bitch that it's not good enough" attitude so many people have.

I'm inclined to agree, but I think even people who don't pay for it have some right to complain.  As I'm not an active user I can't really speak for either side, but it seems to me, if Evill just up and closed everything - everyone would have something to complain about.

It's like Frankenstein - if you create a monster (or an online community) you have some responsibility (morally, if not legally) to maintain it.  So if Evill closed up shop, it'd be rather rude unless he handed over the whole operation to someone else.

It'd be kind of like if Mauti just shut this forum off all of a sudden.  That'd be awfully rude. . .certainly we'd all have a right to complain if he didn't transfer things to someone else.  Similarly, this forum is a resource provided by Mauti.  It's not exactly analogous to GameRanger since it's not a lot of trouble to update.  But still, what if Mauti charged a fee here?  Maybe something comparable in scale.  Would you pay $5 a year for the right to post here?  I suppose my thought is just that just because that $5 is affordable doesn't mean it's right.

I just feel that first off Jeb loves the cock and that mb we should help out scott I mean, fuck like this is basicly his job to maintain it next time I go to worl I'll have 100 buck either I'll help scott or buy a fat sack of weed but I'll go with the GR support. Think about it before it's gone or a fuckin Nazi buys GameRanger.

If i can use my dads card and I have 50 bucks to spare i will buy it.  We really abuse GR, though i would rather pay 60 bucks and have it forever, than pay 50 per year.  Ok lets see...rogue spear costs..45 dollars when i bought it.  Its been over a year and a half and i still play it...however i could use the RS multiplayer option and not even use GR. And that goes for pretty much every game on there. So i would be paying for that, basicaly we are paying for the community in which we thrive.  I would be paying 50 dollars a month to play with people that are my friends or just guys/girls i know.  Or i could just get an IP address. It tricky, you know? You really have to ask yourself what you paying for...i would be paying to have a bigger profile and support Evill so i can play with my buddies and talk to my good friends everyday in a community.

I will try to upgrade!


Jackal

Year. 50 dollars a year. But you knew that.

Actually, since im not really active in any games now, it would probably bother me more if these forums closed down. But I would understand if evill closed GR down. Plus I dont bitch about GR and I'm not an ass to Evill.

Loud, the difference is, this web site isn't what Mauti does for a living.  And Mauti doesn't have to spend the amount of cash on network bandwidth that Evill does on GR.

Now, if Mauti couldn't afford to keep this site up anymore (say it was costing him $300 a month), then I would have to decide if it was worth paying $5 a year for (I'd say yes).  But, if he couldn't afford it, and other people didn't help him out, I would not think it rude if he just folded it up and didn't give all of it away to someone else.

One important point.  You talk about Evill's moral responsibility to keep it alive, well, that works both ways, as users, we have just as much or more moral responsibility to contribute to it.  We are part of the community, we need to pay our dues.  Otherwise, we are a community of parasites, and we'd get what any parasite deserves when they suck the host dry.

I highly doubt this will ever happen, but it's totaly possible.

This is the basic attitude I've noticed with alot of Mac gamers: ?I want it all for free and if I can't have it, I will whine like a bitch? It's just like with new games, so many f**kin people pirate the game, the porting house makes no money, and thus we get barely any mac titles, then they complain and wonder why mac has no games. IDIOTS!

If I was Evill, I'd make it a mandatory payment, hell Im not about to give anything away for free especially if I work for it. So all you freeloaders can just shut the f**k up, people like you end up sleepin on park benches...hell, it's free right? >:(

This has gotten slightly out of hand. Lets try to keep the flaming  between Premies and non-Premies to a minimum.

(Unless you're snipes (not me, the one with the noob sites))
 :)

I agree with loudnotes. It's a first!

Anyway, the thing really irking me about this conversation is how Evill is being made out to be a saint or something of the like. What you neglect to realize is that it's his JOB. If i was a banker and i hooked a bunch of people up with free checking accounts, are they supposed to worship me and support me in hard times? Hell no, it's just my job. This was evill's choice in life, and god damn is he ever a prick about it sometimes. Plus, he's a programmer, do you think he'd be making much more at another programming job as opposed to this? Maybe, but probably not. Aside from the elite few, programmers get paid shit.

Maybe evill should, as suggested, get a day job. It was probably a bad idea to rely on gameranger as a sole source of income, anyway. On the plus side for the guy though, at least alot of people know his name. Maybe not always for GOOD things, but whatever.

I'm going to be really surprised if he does shut down GR, since he'd have to refund everyone, and it would basically be throwing it all away. Kinda sucks if he does, but c'est la vie. I'm sure someone will follow in his footsteps.

ummmmm..... what she said... well i dont think this thing is that big of a deal... in my opinion i think its next to none that it will shut down... my opinion tho. look on the bright side theres a 90% chance someone is gonna buy gameranger or there will be a new multiplayer battle net. ;D

well said Cookie ;)

GR is what put Evill on the map.   If he shuts it down, it will fade just like his name he built for himself by providing this.  Hell, he's a gamer himself, and it's probably how this whole thing came alive.  Do you think if he was doing it for the money, he'd still be here?  There's no way he's made enough money off those cheap ass video game companies that won't even show their support to Evill, for making their game more easily available for lots of consumers to play, and become popular and be sold more!  Why do you think he has stats of the games played and users and all that other good stuff?  Evill made a name for himself by making GR.  By shutting it down, he'd be ending that name he made for himself.  Do you think he's really going to give that up now?  Hell, might be the only way he'll ever make a name for himself around this world, so how dumb would it be for him to throw it all away?  If he does, that'll be one hell of a bad move for himself.  Hell, it's Life Chess, his move next.

Evill used to make Quake mods if any of you didn't know, and I guess he started Gameranger for Mac players by Mac players.  He has to keep the server up and running 24/7.  Yet, Gameranger is an online community that has grown threw the years.  I'd suggest not to shutdown Gameranger, but if Evill wants to; at least sell Gameranger itself and all its name trademarks/copyrights to some company or person(s).  Therefore Gameranger can continue and expand, hopefully.  I like the idea of including the Gameranger software into all Apple Computers.

Just get it out of your heads, he's not going to close it down within the near future, that would just ruin him into bankrupcy.

I think this is just one of his 'down periods', uttering shit like this and not acting on it. Not to be mean but it's how he is. I've heard people suspecting him of just saying this so that more people will buy premium, but I mean, what the hell, if it works, good on ya Scott.

Actually this was just a big joke py started to show how dumb all u newbs are case closed.

Cookie, not bitching and worshiping are not synonymous.  


Cookie, I pay the programers that work for me between $45k and $95k a year, depending on what they can do and their talent.  These are Java and Oracle developers I'm talking about.  And this isn't Silicon Valley, this is Detroit.  So yes, he'd be making so many times more then he makes right now that it is not funny.

I don't know what you think he makes, but it's either much more then he actually does, or you aren't as in touch with what developers make in the market today as you think.

I'm not saying that Evill is a saint.  I'm saying that if he closed it down, anyone that didn't pay doesn't really have a right to bitch.  And if people are really concerned, they should pay up.  If you don't care, then you don't care, but then you are a little person if you bitch when it's gone (if it goes).  This isn't about Evill, this is about the community supporting it, or not, and if not, don't bitch.

I dont think that I quite understood the personal shit that was going thru Evill's head in the last few months that led up to this but now it makes sense by what Bucc said.  I feel bad for giving him shit now for not taking care of some issues I had with people in GR.  I can see that his hands must be seriously full with this server and for that I can understand Scott's frustration.  I am going to encourage all my guys to buy premium, so I suggest everyone else do the same if they havent already.  Long live Gameranger!  And for those who wont buy it, well, they can either grow some nuts and buy it or, they can eat shit and die!

+MOD+Saberian

Psyks, you wish it was all a joke.  Evill did tell me that he had been thinking about it a little bit ago.  And that is no joke at all.

Lol i love a nice flamewar keep at it.

This isn't a flamewar.  What are you talking about?  This is people discussing whether or not they think Gameranger will be shut down, the reasons for both sides and things that can be done to help.

to be honest i think one of evill's problems is that he has yet to put a 'must have' feature  into premium (at least from my perspective

Well,

  there is one:

           HE might actually answer you and even help.  If you don't pay why should he?

If he shuts down then we are all going to have nothing until someone else makes somthing.This might be somthing to get people to buy premium, but i don't think so bucc has said it, and i 100% agree with what he has said. I also no it's not a flamewar, so lets keep it that way.

Well, if enough people buy Premium, he won't shut down. He won't want to refund all that money.  ;D

A few of us wandered into his conversation last night, and one of the things he said was that he could just make it premium only.  Be like .mac and just give a date that he was shutting out all non-premium members.  Some mentioned that it would kill GR, but he said he didn't think so, that many people would figure out that it was worth it after being locked out for a week or so.

Someone brought up how much people bitched about Apple doing that, and he responded "yeah, and Apple is laughing all the way to the bank about it" or something to that effect.  

Don't know how serious he was about this, but food for thought.

It would be alot easier to get a premium account if it was $25.  And I think alot more people would get it. I will support gameranger as soon as i can but $50 is hard to get a hold of right now.

If he was really smart, he'd sell 6 month accounts for $30. That way he'll make more profit than the yearly subscription, and it'd be easier for us poor folks to afford. Evill, if you're reading this, feel free to steal this idea and put it into use.

well,
in comparison with the idisk "fiasco" (which i pay for as well as GR), the idisk keeps coming out with features, and free downloads and other cool things. But there hasn't been much GR development since premium came out. Its sorta a double edged sword, either evill needs to step up and make some good features, or people need to put faith in GR, and spend 50$ on something that hasn't no selling point aside from supporting someone's work. The only way he could ever convince a casual gamer to spend 50$ on it was if it had some appeal aside from an icon and a name in bold. Right now the only people who have premium are the gr whores with money. If he wanted to get a ton of new subscribers, he could try to impliment a ingame voice chat system. The groundwork for this is gr already.

I pay for premium because i think its best to support gr, sure the big icon for porn is nice, but unless evill actually wants to make something of this he needs to reevaluate the business plan, or gr could/will die.

Hmm. From the way he's talking though, it seems like he's mostly just sick of working on GR and dealing with annoying bastards. I'm sure money has something to do with it, but the way he was talking about how he threw 5 years of his life down the drain (or something to that effect) makes it sound like he's just disgusted with GR itself. I dunno, though...

Mellow, he's said that many times, you are correct.  Dealing with people that have been bitching at him all the time is a big part of the problem.  But, he's also said that it would have been worth it if he was making decent money from it to.  

Both people being ingrates and not paying are big factors.  Changing one big time could help, changing both would help even more.  I think that's where I started =D

Ya i was there, he was bitching about how he threw his 5 years down the drain working on this and he finally wants to get a life and all these other things, he said premium people would get their money back if he did close it down. I would try to sell it to some big corp, Apple wouldnt buy it and im tired of people bitching about sell it to apple, Apple cares more about catching up and pwning microsoft instead of paying their selfsfor some apple some australian guy made, plus GR would never be updated probably and you would have 1 morebanner on there as well because Apple has 0 to gain. Best bet is someone like Battle.net to host it, but then youd probably be screwed over with down networks and other crap people hate, espeacially you would get all these games on GR which are CRAP anyways, imagine having all these NOOB?R games on GR? CAT VS MOUSE,YUGIOMONSTERS all these BS games, and no more linking in the chats to porn links or crazy links that pwn people. Plus youd have your a crapload of admins on GR. to me there is an upside cause i could play with my PC N??B friendswho play D2 LOD which i have but, i dont really care about those N??bs. but to Evill, GL if you do quit, hope u get a life and those 5 years u lost over .

I think it is funny that so many peeps have GR4Ever on there names and still refuse to get premium... If you want to keep it around then help evill keep it up by donating to what you love playing and chatting on!!! If we lose GR we will have to set up games on the *Damn site... and that would be a pain in the ass for us and mauti!

that GR4ever shit is pissing me off and i havent been on GR in 2 weeks.  If i were Apple I would shell over the probably few thousand dollars Evill will sell it for, then put it into the .mac thing, so you would get all of those features which one would consider and then add a totally free Game Ranger service into it which would be hosted on the same servers as Apples supercomputers.  I think it sounds pretty fair to me.

Cow, Apple would have to think they'd make a profit to do it.  And not just a little profit either.

i think they would, they could advertise apple gaming and they would sell it with .mac, that would increase .mac sales but i dunno how much it would cost to add in GR support.  Just throw it in with the iDisk servers? meh

I think the GR going down talk is alot of bs my self, if it wa so bad, why wouldnt he sell it to mac huh?  I think he's making enough $ to get by np, and as for all this talk.  All its doing is getting him more prem. members err $.  Not to say i dont love gr, and that i wont be paying 50$ to scott the geek evil come 2 weeks from now, its just i think all this talk of gr dieing is lame.

and i also think apple would buy gr even if there was no profit.  if there was no gr, where the @##$ would we play apple games?

If anyone finds somewhere or builds somewhere for us mac-gamers--let me know!!!!!!!! ::)

Sure we will sturm, count on it  :)

*whispers* quick everyone run to the rocket GO GO GO  ;D ;D

jk

GR aint going down, but still...get premium

Wowzers that was alot of reading.....i agree with bucc in the fact that if u bitch about it and dont have premium u really need to fuck off, but there are some of us who come on GR periodically to talk (myself) and that we could live without it (myself). Oh yeah and just because i dont have premium doesnt make me a noob, ive been on GR longer then most the noobs with premium.

Dr No,

Your post is more full of wishful thinking than not.  Apple has repeatedly shown that game sales are not their priority.  For Scott to sell it to Apple, they'd have to be willing to buy it (at his price), and he'd have to be willing to sell it.  

Now, one quick point about selling it.  People keep talking about him selling or giving GR away.  I ask why should he?  Oh, if he can make a decent price off it, ok, that makes sense, but otherwise, why should he give anything else to the community that isn't very willing to give back?  Think about it.  This community is pissing him off, why should he do something that nice for it?  People say it's mean or rude.  Is it any meaner, or ruder then the majority of people on GR?

My opinion is no, it's not.  

Well now wait a sec, Scott "the geek" Evill makes more money off this lil # then just the money from these prem. acc's.  Other then the clicks of the banner, how about the promo's from the software guys for their games?  No way would he keep gr up for this long with out making some $$.  I never see the guy playing, for sure he's making bank.  I think he's just sick of not making enough bank, so why not spred a rumour about gr going down to make people think they have to  get prem or not play at all.

i'm debateing with you bucc, but i feel the need to remind you that i will be paying the 50$ as soon as i move i know i will have high speed.  I've been playing on gr for like 4-5 years now, and am very greatfull for the use of it.  50$ for more hrs then i can ever count of fun and good cyber friends is well worth it.

   -Doc

I spotted Evill playing GhR a couple of nights ago in a locked 3-person room.

I couldn't crack the pass lol. ;D

I'm glad he as at least tried GhR!

well well, he does play...was he hosting?  who else was in the room?  was he winning?  were they on nf? what was the ping?  time of day?




             heh jk

No, what promo's from the software guys?  And this is the first banner he's had on for six or eight months now, isn't it?  

BTW, he doesn't make click through rates on the banner, but charges a set fee, and not a high one at that.

I've also heard people talk about hosting for him.  It's kinda funny because everyone seems to think that they can host GR off a cable modem, or even a T1.  While average transmission may be little enough for a single T1 to handle in a day, it's the peaks that make a difference.  Think about 200 people all downloading the latest update and reconnecting at the same time.  Do the math, say it's a 1MB file.  That doesn't sound too bad.  But lets see, divide the best (not average, but best) upload speed of a T1 by 200, what do you get?  Roughly 20 minutes for that update.  What do you get now, 10 seconds or so?  Think about the bandwidth it takes to keep GameRanger running.  

Dr. No, your argument seems to center on the fact taht you don't think someone would do this if they were making dog-shit for money.  I know what high bandwidth costs, I know how much Evill charges for advertising, and I know how many premium accounts I see on.  I'll take his word for it when he told me what he actually made last year.  It makes sense.

Add to that how much people rag on Evill, how many are just abusive assholes, and just ungrateful pricks.  

My opinion is, Evill is not just blowing smoke.  I can understand how he feels.  We quit hosting clans for free due to some of these same reasons.  It felt like everyone wanted more for free, complained about it, tried to hack in, decided to be huge dicks, etc.  It wasn't worth the effort.

Also, I'm not going to be pissed if Evill does decide to close GR, not at him anyway.  All I've been saying is that most of the people I've seen bitching about it on GR are people that have not paid to support GR.  Which is bullshit to me.  And, if GR does close down in the next weeks or months, anyone that bitches that didn't pay is just an ignorant bastard.  Everyone has the chance to make a difference, both in paying and not being a ungrateful prick to Evill, the question is, what will they do with that chance?

ICMP Logger. Duh!  ;)


btw: this thread has about half as many views as the spam drop box, and about 1/5th the number of posts. Just a useless observation.

OK about the money, but he has to know that all those bitching people are kids, and we all know how the kids of gr can be.  They just don't care, they'll bitch about anything.

I guess i just can't see, or understaind why someone would pay for all this and not make anything off it.  For the amount of work that someone would have to putt in to gr to get it up and keep it going you would think he had some master plan in mind.  But wtf do i know, maybe he just wanted to play games with all his friends lol

nuff said

To answer strums question, there is a place called MAG which has a semi operational osX client, but autojoining isn't built in yet...
Secondly, evill was one of the first people to play GHR on gameranger on my host back in late november. and a word of advice, ph34r him in coop

I am moving but as soon as i get my new emac im getting my mom to cough up the $$$ and im callin my dad and making him get his account made premium!!  LONG LIVE GR ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

if evill hates it so much, why doesnt he just dump it, instead of whining. update, decide, refund the money. methinks evill is a wee bit of a drama queen....

yeah, and sell GR or give someone the code

Thanx Jeb ;D

Or, most of you can just and let the man do his job, which unfortunately over the years has degraded to a sort of daycare for the mentally inert, rather than providing a immensely popular online gaming service.

Gameranger would go a lot farther if some of you guys just grew up.

that is the best description of GR and the B&G i have heard in a long time

GR is quite an awesome concept, brought to life.  Like S.p.i.d.e.r. said, it's just degrated to be a place for assholes to hang out.  The good thing about GR, is the room for improvement.  While I personally think, Evill should have some hard ass mother fuckers that dont put up with shit to administrate the rooms(I'd make a great admin, not letting any kid slip up into stupidity.  Remember, this is a place for you to JOIN games and play.  Harrasing was NEVER an option).  It's like in school.  You always pushed how far you could go, and unfortunately on GR, there's every asshole with that attitude "pushing" how far they can take their asshole attitude.  Had they been disciplined early on, this problem would not have gotten as bad as it is.  Unfortunately, too many kids hang out with just that, a kid attitude.  The good thing is, all kids can be punished to be taught a lesson ;D (as many found out tonite ;) )

Some hardcore Administrators that don't put up with NO bs would be a great addition to GR.  That itself will help GR from shutting down. ;)

ps: if you're anxious to post an anti-rapid/AK post, save it.  It gets you nowhere in the end.

The player and clan you love to hate, -|?K|*Rapid* (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/rambo.gif)

cocky?  not, just telling it how it is.

 
No, Rapid. GameRanger is going to shut down because of people like yourself who don't pay, but yet cause Evill extra work.

I don't care if your claims and problems are legitimate or not. That doesn't mean anything to me. There is a reason people do shit like impersonate you. I hate impersonators. I'd love to see perma bans for anyone who impersonates. However, that doesn't change the fact that you cause lots of extra work for Evill, wether it's your fault or not.

Fork over 50 bucks for GameRanger premium, and then you can complain.
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complain?  Just telling it how it is.  

Anyways, you have no reason to be arguing with me, so don't even try it.

I'm not a subscriber for personal reasons, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't send Evill a money order with np.  

All in all, don't dip too far, or you might get stuck. :o

Yeah rapid, I suppose that you think fascism is a good form of government too. Personally if evill could do one thing to make me want premium it would be to remove admins entirely, people should be allowed to post porn, swear, admit to piracy, impersonate, whatever. Whether their actions are good or bad, its best to let people be free.

tasty I'm with you 110.5 % all the way bent over except that impersonatin' shit.

That's like saying let everybody in the world run around, rape, steal, and kill at own will, with no regulation.

Yeah, that'd be such the great idea.

Regulation is something that's helped out everything in history.  Get used to it you rebel! ;)

GR can be compared to that example.  The more you let GR goers run randomly idiotic, the worst the place becomes.  Not to mention how it looks when a developer logs on undercover, and notices all the BS.  Yeah, as if he'd want to invest into that.

Then again, if he was to log on, and see a nice community of gamers, that get along, and are not tolerated to act like assholes, he'd have a whole different perspective :o

Yeah, figure it out.

 That'd be a great way to make me take advantage of the "30 day refund", Tasty.

We're allowed to swear as much as we want.

If we were allowed to post porn links, GameRanger would turn into something much like the average AOL Instant Messenger Chat Room.

There are legal reasons why Evill can't support piracy, and I have no problem with him banning people for it ( and this coming from someone who's ban for 2 days thanks to piracy ).

I have a "kill list", of anyone who's impersonated me. Anytime they join a game, I say to the host "your choice - you boot them, or you boot me." About 75% of the time, the stupid asshole gets booted. Impersonators are some of the biggest assholes I've ever met.  

first off Rapid there is no such thing as a "nice community of gamers" think about it if you can since you dropped out of HighSchool in grade 9 because you could not fit into the double doors. javascript:replaceText('%20%3E:(')

HAHA! ::)

Nice blanket absolute generalization!

Ignome, by the looks of your post, you dropped out in Elementary.  Learn to speak and write the english language you dumbfuck.  

(LMAO @ this fool trying to drop science sounding like a complete jackass.  Not to mention looking like one.)

rapid, it doesnt matter if ign doesnt know how to speak, he's way cooler than u.

 Rapid, you hate the majority of this community. Don't you think there's something a little bit odd about that?

Since you insult iGnome's English skills, let's take a look at your post, and find out just how big of a hypocrite you are.

1.) In the first sentence, you misplace the capitial letter in iGnome's name.

2.) Later in the first sentence; "dropped out in Elementary", elementary doesn't need to be capitialized.

3.) Again, later in the first sentence, in the same phrase, in fact; "dropped out in elementary" should be "dropped out of elementary", the words "out" and "in" should not be beside each other.

4.) In the second sentence; "dumbfuck" should be two words.

5.) In the second sentence of the second paragraph; "Not to mention looking like one" needs to be tied onto the previous sentence, due to the fact that it doesn't stand alone as it's own sentence.

3 sentences ( correcting his 5th error ), meaning that you average 1 and 1/3 errors per sentence.

 

Victor I know I'm a fucking jackass and Rapid at least I know that I don't look like an overweight Mexican who is 28+ and his only social life is talking to 12-19 year olds who ahve never tasted pootang pie. Just to let you know Victor you act like a 14 year old.

God do I feel insulted. . .

lmao

     I'm never sure whether to laugh or cry when I hear Rapid complaining about assholes in the community.

Haha.

Rapid, i have never played with you, nor exchanged one word with you, but damn, you are one warped mother fucker!

Regulation fixes all our problems! What a crock.

I love reading this funny shit. Thanks for improving my evening.

Out - J

Rapid has a point that I like....

"That's like saying let everybody in the world run around, rape, steal, and kill at own will, with no regulation.
Yeah, that'd be such the great idea." Rapid

I would not come to gameranger if your could:
"be allowed to post porn, swear, admit to piracy, impersonate, whatever. Whether their actions are good or bad, its best to let people be free."  TASTY

I am glad there are some rules. Some parents accually care what their kids see.

pwned


By the way, this thread has really gotten (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/offtopic.gif)

Lets try to steer it back to GameRanger shutting down (Though I do love the Rapid bashing!).

the fact is, if gr was either like rapid wants it, or complete anarchy, it would suck. the balance between chaos and control is a good thing. no porn links is a good thing, admin control is a good thing, etc etc etc. GR is not your own playground, suprisingly enough.
im a fan of brontos(?) idea, make the membership monthly, if i saw it say something like: 6 bucks a month compared to: 50 dollars for premium membership....., i would choose the six bucks
oh and rapid, the world is alot more complicated than GR, they are not analagous(sp?) at all

Rapid as Typhy said "Rapid, you hate the majority of this community." and guess what rapid ever single mother fucker who Logs on to GameRanger fuckign hates your fat bitchtits and rapid if you diss my Edumacation It doesnt bug me fuck I pass with shit grades c+s all the way and the odd A if I bother to do the work Listen you fags dont realive Evill is giving you a free program with the ability to play your shitty games with other people he could have stopped running gameranger years ago but he didnt now he needs money many of you gusy have pitched in your money. think about it do you wanna be on iChat or MagChat asking for Ip's for games while you can just join them easly Fuck I could care Less about GameRanger now it has gone to shit everyone fuckign bitches about little things Rapid you need to grow up and get out of your mom's basement. The times I spent On GR were fun but some of you guys need to get lives mostly SK.

Whew!  All in one sentence!  Well played!

What are you letting your kids play violent games for anyway? Theres nothing I hate more than having someone say "don't swear, my kid is playing" in a R6 game or something. Not to mention, most people don't care about your kids. Raising them isn't our job, and I don't intend to modify my behavior in any way. In fact, GR would probably be a lot cooler if it was at least 16+ only anyway.

Nice assumption.  Is every game on GameRanger a violent one?  We are talking about GameRanger, not RS or GhR.  There are many games on GR that are fit for children.


GR is a community, a society.  Societies have rules and laws.  You do modify your behavior to fit those rules or laws, or find yourself kicked out of the community (prison in real life).  It's not about raising the kids for them, it's about polite, acceptable behavior.  Or do you think it's ok for a guy to whip it out and start whacking off all over the salad bar at your local resturant?

BTW, I do have my own feelings on this.  Like if someone asks you politely to watch your language in a room or game.  I think it's a parents job to be on the internet with their children, to guide them and educate them.  And, if you are in a host that doesn't want you to use foul language, you should agree or leave without a fuss, because it is their host.

One point about the "everything is better with regulation".  Tell that to the world when the Spanish Inquisition was going on.  

Anyone else see the irony in an outspoken democrat like Tasty talking about it being better with no regulation? =P

I knew someone would say this. I'm just speaking from experience, and people have said this to me in medal of honor, rogue spear, and other such games that I think most would deem inappropriate for any age of child who is also too young to hear cursing. MB this person doesn't let them play violent games, but whatever.
I was also merely stating my personal preference, that the community not be tightly regulated. The most fun and interesting message board that I post on (the only one I post on besides this) has no moderators at all, its a free for all. People have serious debates about music and politics, and there are also joke threads. Sometimes someone will post a disgusting porn picture in the middle of a serious debate, but I mostly just find it to be funny. Like you said, people controlling their own hosts is their business. That's part of an unregulated GR - the ability to decide who can play on your host and who can't, for any reason you see fit. The reason I don't think GR needs rules or laws (like society) is because the worst thing you can do on gameranger really isn't very damaging. It's all online. In society, you can rape, murder, assault, etc. On GR, (generally) the only things people get banned for are porn, piracy, and impersonation.

Also, don't get all excited because you think I am proposing some libertarian paradise. My ideas about GR were inspired by anarchy  8).

I think my point about people just growing up and not being total bafoons while online would be a very good improvement, although still no response from my spellchecker suggestion for GameRanger.

I didn't call gameranger users "assholes" in my comment about babysitting duties on for moderators, just that if people were given better ways to actually do things in a more clean and efficient fashion(i.e. spellchecker, offficial clan support a la warcraft 3, for premium users only of course).

Dumbfuck can be one word or two (dumb fuck) depending upon context. ::)

Do they not teach math at school anymore?

to fit in as an example of an asshole...

Looks like you had to much fun ruining your credit rapid...

I think what he was trying to say was that he would be willing to pay a little more if he could do it month by month. Think of it like financing a car, pay it all up front, or pay a little bit more for it over time.

 It would cause Evill to make less money if he were to offer the ability to pay in smaller ammounts at a time. The way Evill's paypal type service works ( I think ) is it charges him a certian ammount for each transaction that takes place, therefor, the more times you pay, the more of that money goes to his payment service ( I hope this makes more sense to those reading it than it does to me, the writer ).

So many people say "oh, if it were cheaper I'd buy it." That's just bullshit. There are some people who are willing to pay, then there are those who aren't. 90% of the people who are unwilling to pay $50 bucks will also be unwilling to pay $35. It's within Evill's best interest to charge as much as he thinks he can justify, so that he gets more money from those of us who are willing to pay.

I wonder how he arrived at the magical $50 though......

 50 bucks is a very common price in the gaming world.

Most all new games cost 50 bucks, so I guess Evill figured it'd be a fair price for GameRanger - I agree with him, I might add.

Very true. I would be happy to pay $100US for the gameranger service.

As soon as i get paid, my money is going to Scott.

Dont know why i didn't before.....

I mean, most of us spend a lot of time in our day just hanging on GR, so whats a meazly  50 bucks? I would spend that on other crap i didn't need in a fortnight...

This is for a whole year!

Stop bitching about the price, it should be higher...

Out - J

Yes yes-- I agree.  I was just pointing out the arbitrary nature of dreaming up the $50 fee.

 I have no problem with newbies not wanting to pay for GameRanger.

I've spent several thousand hours on GameRanger over the course of 4 years. I figure 50 bucks is a small price to pay for that.

I figure anyone who has spent lots of time on GameRanger owes it to Evill to pay.

My point exactly...

People are all to happy to pay 10 bucks to go to the movies, and that only lasts 2 hours.... why not 50 fo a whole year??

Out - J

 I guess the difference, Jedda, is that not everyone has nice applications like Direct Connect to get their movies for free ;), where as anyone can get GameRanger for free.

You can't there is no way to pirate it, Evill has made sure of that.

the only reason i said six bucks a month is because evill stated it would be closer to six in the b+g

4x12=48
5x12=60
6x12=72

any questions?

Yeah, like my parents would let me use their credit card for GameRanger. I wonder if I bought premium, if he would lift my 3 month ban =P

lol, somehow i dont think so foxy....tho i would gladly fork over the fifty if he would

Haha, I doubt he would. He hates me, and before banned me for piracy. Which was full of shit, ask Rabid. lol