*DAMN R6 Forum

They should not be #1

They should not even be in the BL season because they only appeared on the ladder a couple weeks before finals.

Typhy made up his bs about "merging" MP5 and AcE, but that merge is impossible because Silvio specifically asked permission to leave kos to make his own clan. After that he recruited typhy and mysterio into his clan, as well as others. Then its obvious typhy said somethign like "well the only way we can compete in this BL season is if we say we merged clans and get the points I earned while I was in MP5". Then everyone else said "ok cool lets just stick around that story like we're all merging."

Mauti I brought this up after you made your decision on purpose. Silvio is my friend and I didn't want to hurt his chances in competing because that was his whole reason in leaving kos afterall. But it has to be broughten up now because it is total and utter bs.

By allowing them to "merge" and earn the old clan's points, your allowing a huge flaw in the BL system. Let me give you an example.



Lets say for season 5 TF6 plays 6 cb's and gets a record of 6-0.

Then kos decides to merge with TF6 and rename the clan to KOS

Then KOS, with all of kos's original members(who did nothing to deserve the 6-0) will be rewarded with TF6's score just because we recruited the few TF6 poeple and changed there name alittle. Therefore allowing all kos players who never participated in the regular season to play in the finals.

I overheard people in the main chat already discussing ways to cheat the system next season. Saying things such as "I can't wait to merge with BTs" ALLOWING THIS IS ONLY CREATING A MAJOR PROBLEM


Finally, I would have probably never posted this if it wasn't for typhy. I don't know what it is about him but he talks so much, poeple just tend to give in and let him have his way. For christs sake he almost has 2000 posts. Mauti, I'm not saying you were decieved in your decision, but typhy has his way with words. He will want something, but act liek he wants the total opposite. Then slowly he will show hat he really wants, and most poeple don't pick up on it. If typhy wasn't such a prick I would have probably not posted this and gone back to not caring, but this is total bs and it has to be stopped.

I have good relations with typhy, but i agree with you ultimo. also, i've heard some things said that the only clan typhy cbed was daf; i dont really care why or how he came to just cb daf, but isnt there a limit on the amount of times you can cb a single clan? If not, that rule isnt there only because typhy insisted on having it removed.

I agree with Ult because I also saw people talking about ways to cheat our system.  Now normally we can tell what is going on and I don't think that the decision made to let Typhy keep his points was the worst ever, because I don't believe that Typhy was looking for a way to cheat, just a name/team change but it opens up cheap opportunities for other people and clans.  It's going to make more work for us to have to control to see who is bullshitting and such.  Even now that Ace has it's points, I think it needs to earn it's bl victory a little more because the points are open to debate and a little controversial.  Letting them play Daf would just make it so easy for Ace now.

 Aww, how nice - 4v1, including a BL admin. :)

Let me first point out that my goal wasn't to bring my points from MP5 to ACE. I wanted to prove my point, that the BL points system has major flaws. To do this, my plan was to go from last to first in one night, which, with propper ladder tactics, could've been done in 2 CBs.

Bronto, yes, we CBed DAF 4 times, and and would likely have done more had we had the option to do so. I CBed whatever clan was on ( yes, I know I'll hear it from FiRE on this ), when I was ready to CB. DAF was the most active clan, so we CBed them the most. Quite simple.

What I did was completly legal within the Battle League rules. Had I been forced to use the MP5 name for the rest of the season, I would've done so. Unless you put restrictions on when you can recruit members ( ACE came with a while left, so it'd likely have to be the whole second half of the season ), then there is no way to prevent against what I did.

I understand how you guys feel; Silvio, JustinSane and Nighthawk don't deserve the first place rank because of the work of Mysterio and myself. However, are you telling me that I can't recruit new people? It's a fact - anytime that new members come to a clan who has a high rank, those players don't deserve the rank of the clan who they come to. The biggest reason people make such a big deal about this, is because MP5 was so small. If a clan like MOD, who has close to 30 members ( I think ) recruites 3 people with 40 days left in the season, no one complains, hell, quite possibly no one will even notice. While this may apear different, is there anyone here who can give me a logical explaination of why it should be?

 I don't really care who we play, Infection. You want to move DAF up, and give us Killa, RnT, Dr, or TF6, I won't object.

Ultimo, I'm still trying to work out what you have against me. My most recent idea is that it has something do with what happened in the NBA finals. . . ;)

I didn't start any of this shit, Ultimo. I agreeded with Dan's post. I gave my opinion, I also stated that it'd never happen, you gave me shit for no aparent reason. Next, you go on with your "you begged Silvio to leave KoS" bullshit, even after Silvio told you that it was his choice and idea to leave to start ACE.

Ultimo, this is a serious question: What the fuck did I do?
 

Hehe, it explains itself. (jking typhy.)

To both Ult and Typhy: if FiRE is not in the finals we have to set up some scrimmages

 It doesn't matter wether FiRE is in the finals or not, we've still gotta do some scrimmages during the time beteween the BL seasons.

I go out of town for two weeks starting Saturday, I get back on the 12th ( I think ), but even while I'm gone, I'm sure that the other ACE players would be happy to set something up.  

3v1, typhy  :). actually, make it 2v1, because im not speaking against you. i understand why you cbed daf so many times, i just want to understand:
a) is there a rule against it? no.
b) so why is everyone complaining about it?

also, not that it bothers me, typhy, but instead of asking what have you done to ultimo, i think you should just ask yourself what have you done in general? ultimo isn't jealous over typhy, he is just frustrated with your "bitching" and "sneaky ways" and "deception". i put those in quotes to show that i dont necesarrily support these words, just pointing out the fact that ultimo addressed these things and that is why he is frustrated. windy bronto fly away. ITS PROM NIGHT MOTHERFUCKER!

 Well, Infection kindly dealt with Serp's post.

Yes, there is a rule against CBing a clan lots - the limit is 4 CBs.

I would like to see a reply from Ultimo before I go into any of the stuff you mentioned in the second part of your post.

THANK YOU GOD

Finally you have proven my point in your own bullshit. You arguement was that we can't put restrictions on your recruitment. But the fact is Silvio made HIS OWN CLAN AND RECRUITED YOU. Your old points from your old clan should not count. Period.


Your own words just fucked you over and this whole discussion should be over. If this isn't evidence enough that AcE doesn't deserve those points then I dont know what is.

BTW fuck the Spurs their gay ass'es had nothing to do with me solving this problem, that was just another way for you to make people believe your side of the story, to get them distracted.

So uh, I'm confused.  Who are you people again?

We're the Brain Police. But yeah, originally I thought ACE should keep MP5's points because I thought it was just a name change. But if there was an ACE first, and ACE took MP5 players in, it seems like the points should stay with MP5, even with a merger. If ACE went into MP5 I don't see a problem with it. Damnit, why'd you make a new clan anyways instead of just recruiting Silvio and NH and all them? Sheesh. Clans shouldn't be allowed to change names lol. Gets too confusing...Like how DEA shutdown, and all them went to BTs. BTs is just DEA with a new name, like how AgT used to be FBI with a new name, and FBI was just CIA with a new name. Ahh I'm getting too far ahead of myself now. No more renaming clans, damn you!

I can completely see Ultimo's point.  It's all in the sequence of events.

If MP5 had recruited 5 new players before the deadline, then decided to change their name, I would completely agree with them keeping their points.

But if two clans merge, this is where it gets tricky.  Do they get to say the clan with the most points is the one they go with?  Do they get to add the points together?  Should it be decided that the bigger clan swallows the little one, and it's the bigger clan's points that are kept?

It's confusing that Typhy wanted to join AcE, then he merged his clan of two with AcE, but they kept the points.  

The real bottom line is, of course, that Typhy and AcE figured out the way to do it and keep the points, they just didn't figure it out before they tried to do it the other way.  So, should they be punished for that at all?  

My opinion is, I don't think they should be punished now, but, the Battle League does need to figure out what to do when someone makes a dumb mistake in the first place.  And what to do if two clans with points decide to merge (even though it seem obvious that the the clan with less points will always join the clan with more points, unless they are really stupid and like the other name, but what if a clan of 20 with 50 points wanted to merge with a clan of 4 with 100 points.  Is it fair to give them the 100?).

But, if there are two clans on the ladder (AcE did ask to be on the ladder before the merge if I remember correctly), and they want to merge into AcE, they should get the points that AcE had, not MP5.  

Just my opinion.

Bah!

Get a new clan name, I'm so lost...

 I hate to word it this way, but I can't think of another: It doesn't have to be fair, it just has to be legal.

What I did was completly legal. Because I tried to sign up ACE after the deadline, technically, ACE was never involved in the Battle League. I simply got new members in MP5, and changed the name. Legal? Yes.

There. That's all that needs to be said. What I did is legal under the current Battle League rules. End of story.

Guess he had already fooled Mauti...

Btw, on their Roster page, it clearly only shows Silvio being the one and only Leader...  

Guess Mauti didn't take time to do his own proper research

Silvio never joined MP5, because he never changed his tag to MP5 Silvio, so you're a lying sack of shit!  

IMMEDIATE BAN!  

Who's fooling who around here?   Looks like Typhy had pulled something big!  Is it too late to punish him for it?  

I mean, he is still lying to this point!

BAN

BAN

BAN!

Typhy you didnt recruit Silvio into MP5 and change name. Ace is his clan thats my whole point you moron. Silv is leader, not you. HE RECRUITED YOU

whatever I made this thread to point it out, not to change anything

Man Ultimo ur fast...I complained about a week ago about this bs, and nobody helped me with it. I totally agree with u, Silvio started ACE and typhy started MP5, 2 total different clans! Well, ur too late, its over now.

And I agree with typhy, with the Skill ACE has (and they really have much skill) they deserve the points. A well, lets just kick our asses ;D

     Jesus Penis Christ, people. Typhy's right, this was legal, as pointed up by the fact that Mauti approved it (which, I'll remind you, makes anything legal). I urge you to take a look at the RS ladder and it's 8 "active" clans, two of which had one CB all season. Six actual active clans. Six slots in the finals. Yeah. It's not as though this whole AcE-MP5 thing is taking food out of your mouths. Even without getting MP5's points, AcE would have been in the finals. Look at how low the bar is. A drunken paraplegic could get over it. The fact that AcE got MP5's points doesn't change a damned thing, and while your faces have taken on an attractive shade of blue from your screaming, you can safely drop it now.

Seems funny to me that Typhy ( ex-?K wingman ) is always involved in shady shit.

So basically Ace could'nt join the BL because it was more than half over, so Silvio and Typhy found a way to team up and cheat the system. Fair enough, just no bitchin when you see the shit I pull next season. I figure with enough smoke and mirrors I can win the bl without ever cbing anyone....hmmmm

Well you know the rules i guess u can be involved in shady shit that and who cares about RS? i could see this being a big deal in GhR that and Ulti why do you care you havent CBed the entire season.

People find loopholes all the time. This is a perfect example of a loophole that Typhy found. Whether or not something is fair does not matter. If we are truly going to go by the Battle League rules, Typhy found a loophole and what he did was legal, according to those rules.

Is it legal to change a name? Yes.
Is it legal to elect a different leader? Yes.
Is it legal to allow other people to join your clan? Yes.

These three events took place simultaneously.

That is the key to this entire argument. They all happened at the same time, so you cannot argue about the sequence. There is no sequence. It is not 1st, 2nd, 3rd. It is 1st, also 1st, and also 1st.

Typhy and Mysterio's clan expanded to include silvio, night hawk, maniac, and justin. (Clan expansion. Legal.) At the same time that these 6 people became a single clan, Silvio was elected leader. (New leader. Legal.) The name was no longer MP5, but instead, ?ce. (Name change. Legal)   These three events are all legal for an individual clan, and since they all happened at the same time, you cannot assume that typhy and myst join silv's clan, or if nh, sane, maniac, and silv joined typhy's clan.

That is why I feel that Typhy found a loophole, but it is a completely legit move.

Ok, about a week before Clan AcE started I was in a game with +-KoS-+ Silvio and ?Mi? Night Hawk...Silvio started talkiing about this "porn" site he was making and about how it'd be up in 2 weeks and NH kept saying cool cool thats awesome.  It seems to me that even before each of them left their clans...they were planning something.  nothing personal.

*Note-the porn site silvio was talking about was actaully the AcE clansite

 Actually, one - Silvio and I had been planning it for about 6 months. Nighthawk came into things about 5 weeks before it started.  

6 months?!?!?!?! Damn, that's a lot of planning. Shoulda made ACE sooner, I reckon.

6 months...

God, that was slower than Planning and Zoning Boards.

(notice how everything to do with planning is slow)

the reason typhy is involved in all this is because half of you disagree with everything he does and bring it to the fourms
what was done was legal as someone already said because Mauti authorized it. and how else were we gonna get on the BL? trying to just sign up faild, I bet MOST of you would have done the same thing being in the position we we're in.(note the word MOST of you it wasn't ALL of you)

6 MONTHS!!!?!?!??!

Not that it really matters, but according to www.clan-ace.net


It doesn't mention anything about the clans having merged and a possible "thank you" to typhy for allowing me (silvio) to lead the clan.  But w/e.

Why was this thread started in the first place?

Ahh that's exactly why the thread was started, I guess. Didn't really merge..just stole MP5's points. But ah well, it's over with. Let's go back to talking about makin' sweet, sweet love infront of citrus fruit.

***Snipe gets some lemons and oranges and winks at mellow.  ;)

     Arr, that'll replace the squid in me nightmares.

Thanks Mellow, I can no longer eat this citrus fruit because of you.  I'm scarred for life.

what's wrong here, is how HONOR has been thrown out the window.  I mean, how honorable is it to start a new clan(or plan it for "6 months"), and have points from another clan be transferred, and when asked, answer with "it's a legit loophole move".  

RS is dead, and so is the ladder.  Whoever wins the ladder, did it by loopholing, and not beating good clans.  Why?  Because all the good clans are gone.  Only n00bs are left, and the good players, are not even playing enough to make a difference in anything.  The BL is being ran and won by 13 year old dishonorable disrespectful kids that can care less about being fair and honorable.  This whole RS Ladder became lame after KoS and AK stopped CB'ing in it.   Then a new clan came, got 2 moderators to work for the BL(BL Mods should be chosen from players that have been around, not guys that just get here and know nothing about anything), and figured out how to take out their competition with their mod powers, and won the BL with bad moderating.  Pretty lame, but it's the truth to the reality.  Kids know how to cheat, and if they can do it, they will and will keep on doing it as long as they're not being punished or discouraged.  

Wanna play on the BL?  Better become a BL mod, and make all calls in your clans favor, and make calls against the clans that are your competition.  That's how you win it.  Proven by FiRE.  

This Battle League for RS has NO HONOR.  Sounds like something everybody wants to join!  Gj on running the league!

ps:note the sarcasm on the last sentence

Once again I'm guessing that's Rapid, and Rapid if you think you're going to get more respect by posting under an alias so people don't know it's you, you're an idiot.  Nice touch by adding how RS died after AK left, ya sure we all give a crap about you.  You say the exact same thing in every thread.  Next you'll bring up how good you are at RS and how you were cheated out of a bl victory.  Just leave, the mods have tried to make amends with you.  We didn't ask Mauti to become moderators, he asked us so go fuck yourself.  And may I remind you that Ultimo was also a bl moderator during his times of victory.  It's not my fault Fire beat every clan in the finals except for AK who was too "inactive" at the good times to cb.  

Yeah. If you're gonna post things like that, at least have the common courtesy to use your own name. Nobody pays attention to these anonymous posters. I think everyone can agree with me on that. It's more annoying than anything else.

haha, of course that's rapid. who else complains so much about our moderators. Well anyways, the ladder didnt die because AK left. As mentioned before, we give a shit about you and your "Super-Hero-Honor-Clan" lmao

RAG ON THE GUY ALL YOU WANT, BUT THE TRUTH IS HE IS RIGHT. THIS BL IS FUCKIN RIDICULOUS, FIRE GETS IN WITH 1 FUCKIN WIN, THATS SUCH BS..TALK ABOUT HONORABLE INFEST...AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE PC PLAYERS WITH HACKS IN MY SQUAD, AT LEAST MY CLAN IS ACTIVE...AND YES YOU DID BEAT ME 6-0 IN A 1V1...BUT 1V1 IS GAY, BRING YOUR MAC USERS AGAINST MY CLAN AND LETS SEE. YOU HAVE NEVER BEATEN TF6 EXCEPT FOR 1V1'S. YOU NEED PC HACKERS TO HELP YOUR CLAN WIN, I HOPE I FACE YOU AND REJECT THEM LIKE THE REJECTS THEY ARE. ME, GRAPE AND GOKS OR ALBA VS YOU HAZ AND FLAT....OMG I CAN'T WAIT!

Hey, you should probably get your CAP button checked out.  I think it might be stuck  ;D

Kilzo, we have beaten your clan in several cb's just to make it clear, and we'd be glad to cb you again.