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I stopped the game early because ASSHOLE cheated...

BTs defeats DFA in a 3v3 GhR match 5-3-1 before BattleField...

? ?? Players for BTs:SignTist, Static and eight
? ?? Players for DFA: Sar, Asshole and Viper...


tell me if i am wrong?

www.battleteksquad.com/files/DFACHEAT.sit


Look through 'Assholes' eyes right after he shot me (eight) he shoots Signtist over 6 squares away! 300 meters in the fog...


Another thing? How is it that Asshole knew exactly where static was at all times after shooting sign and me? Without us being on sensor?

Mauti waiting on your ruling... we'll continue if you say this aint BS...

i'm not so sure that it was a cheat

he threw a nade, which appeared 2 blow the bts guy up

im not swearing to it and i only watched the replay once, but im not sure.

And one dfa guy had sensors, and again i didnt watch again 2 see where he put them, but he may have laid one around where the bts guy was. it was the dfa insert after all.

But i thought it was the nade that won it......

mb sour grapes? but dont quote me.....shouldnt sit on cold walls, makes my grapes sore as hell! ;)

=p coke

Coke... the kill in question... If you read anything above... Was Asshole killing Signtist (SECOND KILL)

u cannot shoot at someone, 6 or more squares far away from u through the fog!!!!

maybe u know where he is, but u wont be able to aim on him that perfect!!!
he cheated.....there is no exuse!!!!

well.....they set 2 sensors, but erhm........not very clever....

they layed them down at the end of the map!!!
sry, but this is stupid!!
sensors work for 2squares, and the nearest sensor to sign was 4squares away!!

they will never be able to see him on map!! not without a cheat!

http://www34.brinkster.com/dfaghr/news.html

Guys look at this page. Maybe he has a very good vid card? Because even with my iBook i can see the faint shadow of a figure there. Its very possible....


Check it out,

peace, Xypher

shouldn't all this be moved to the bl problem box??

maybe gen xypher is right, he said something about a really good video card.

(enemy) (fog) ::)

i dunno man, i just watched it on a dual 1.25 with the radeon 9000, all setting set to high, and i couldn't see anything.  heck, i couldn't even see anything in your screenshot.

seems a little fishy.

i saw the replay and i thought it was interesting so i edited the map file so it wouldn't have any fog. Its pretty obvious that asshole is using a fog hack when you see the replay thats fogless. Basically you can see his sniper reticle following signtist (who is way past the fogline), then he lines a shot up perfectly from well over 300 yards, and kills him. my idisk wasn't working but i sent some screenshots to Bts.

The faint shadow thing doesn't cut it since you can watch him following signtist on several occasions, then he turns finally and shoots him without hesitation. This doesn't suprize me since thats what ace and alaric were complaining about in the MP - DFA cb which we won because of modified cheatscreenshots.

i have Formac Gallery 1740 TFT display.....
u call it LCD display in the us

and i cannot se a single shadow......nothing....only fog!

and mp cheated??!?
"This doesn't suprize me since thats what ace and alaric were complaining about in the MP - DFA cb which we won because of modified cheatscreenshots."

u modified ure ss to win?!? and ure still on the ladder?!?
or did dfa modified his ss?!?  ???

Ok all.  The facts are right in front of us.  DFA asshole shot sign from over 6 squares away, he glitch killed eight, and seemed to know where I was the whole time and tried to glitch kill me.   One thing that has been bothering me is that is the fact that Asshole and the ex [a] moley lynx may in fact be the same person.  The reason behind this is, both moley and asshole reside in Italy, the weapon used in both of the cheats are 7.62 sniper, the cheat was exactly the same, asshole joined DFA 5 days ago (the day moley was banned from the BL) and assholes account is farely new.  Don't know about you guys, but this is too many coincidences for me to believe that they are not one in the same.  Also, if asshole has only been in DFA for only 5 days why is he cb'n in the finals.  I thought players had to wait one week before being able to compete.  I dunno?  ???

We were told in the public chat that DFA was going to beat BTs by any means possible.  Does this mean cheating?  Again I dunno?  I guess so!

Mauti, please take a close look at this and let us know your thoughts.

later all,

static

Haha, and I play this game because...??

I have the 17" iMac G4. I looked very long and very hard at that screen shot and I couldn't see a damn thing. I also zoomed in using preview and saw no pixels that were a differnt shade inside that circle. If he shot Sign inside that circle, I sure as hell don't know how

yo guys

that?s exactly what i?m thinking too... astonishing much common features between asshole and moley... :o  and i didn?t see moley the last days online...
i dunno if the DFA leaders know that, but they prolly recruited the BL banned moley... i?m rapted on what will happen now...

anyways... BTs won the final cb?s, so it prolly won?t change much... but something has to be done! >:(

yours,
[one] Civic  ;)

If you look very closely..and kinda cross your eyes and stand back a bit....

You can sorta make out the shape of a badge...and a puff of smoke....

Just as the motorcade is passing by.......

You dont just recruit a complete stranger right before the finals.
Amazing how DFA always seem to find themselves in questionable situations.

Now, im sorta wishing [one] had cb'd in the last days, cuz we coulda gotten wiped out by Bts withOUT Mods.

Your more likely to see a vision of jesus in that screenshot, than a silhouette of the person who got glitched.
Its imposible to see farther than 90 meters through the fog on that map (this isn't a estimate, its from the source files). A square is 25 meters, he was shot from 6 squares away, so thats 150 meters. Can someone explain how you can see 60meters beyond the fogline without cheating?

If |DFA| is now labelled as "the cheating clan", then I can be no part of it.

I just want to play good games, and I?m sick and tired of this "evidence hunt shit".
If this is what it?s all about, then I might as well have gone to lawschool.

Cheating is low...

SAR, please let me know if I should leave, or you will take the necessary measures, and clean out the rotten apples.


EON-ta

Eight have you sent the replay also to DFAs leader!? I would like to hear his opinion.

The screenshot on DFAs site is ridiculous.

However DFA broke clearly a BL rule concerning the new member.

May I haven't made it clear enough with Moley but cheating won't be tolerated!

[One] prepare, not 100percent sure yet, to replace DFA in the finals.

I just have to wait for DFAs official response but this looks like a clan ban, period.

Mauti

When I looked at the replay I saw Creater Glitching and Long Distance shooting (tooo long of a distance for a "normal" game)
:-[                                                                                                                  ::) :o

yea its moley, he admitted so much to me last night (I have ss's ofcourse  ;) )

I opened the picture in Photoshop, edited the curves...nothing, brightness....nothing, magic wand with lowest tolerance....nothing

The grey fog inside the circle is acctually suprise suprise.....grey, nothing there to be found

Goddamn im stupid acctually wasted time on that.. :D

Watch out for high account italian snipers!

Well lo and behold. I would just lik to say heads up for the following:

Just before the end of the season we did a cb against |DFA| We were slightly surprised by the guys that enterd the room. Shasta was pretending to be someone else untill ralee posted the ss of shasta chnaging his name, and they had a new guy that we had never seen before called ASSHOLE... Now both myself and Saberian thought this was a litlle dodgey as we had never seen him online or under the |DFA| tag.. and we're on a wee bit ;)
Anyway we played the cb... And ASSHOLE was very keen to do large maps... (wonder why) and creekbed... well we lost one or two on creekbed and I was pretty amazed how he was able to pick us off before we could see any of them.. almost like he could see us from one end of the map to the other... We might play badly on that map sometimes but this was rediculouse... I was convinced he was dodgey.
So lo and behold I saved the replays.. and I have one of them still (unfortunatly not others). Also replays from Ghost town... Wonder why he wanted that map as well? IF you want more proof/ a chance to See ASSHOLE in action any more Mauti i can post these to you  straight away.

well I watched the replay, and I could see how asshole did glitch and did that shot from long distance in reply if you zoom max out you could see the guy he shot, but before that he saw the guy earlier if  he had really that no fog or zoom hack but he didnt shot him
it can be the dead one was following him and zoomed max out and told him were to shoot over netfone, but dont think that it was like that otherwise dfa should said that

Ok check it... this is where i stand...

Now that we know that DFA cheated... And got caught cheating in the SECOND game...

How do you think your going to handle this?
We played 2 games.... and won both... Now because they got caught cheating in the second game does this mean the last 2 matches are null an void? Does this mean that we now have to fight 2 more times again?

I don't think it's fair that some other clans didn't get into the finals cause of DFA but I also don't think it's fair if we have to play 3 more clans again... instead of 2.

So because DFA cheated... we have to put our team back on the line and fight 3 clans again? instead of it being 2 clans left?


And Mauti yes....
The email i sent out with the replay in it... was sent to you, my members and Viper (DFA General).... I also started a room on GR with the link so if any of them had any questions as to where to find it...

So I am sure they got it...

We also have a SS of Sar saying that Asshole cheated....


One last thing... they weren't using NF... Why else would they all tell each other what kits they are bringing in the Game setup room...

|DFA| moron: I am bringing 1
|DFA| moron: 2
|DFA| moron: i got 3

Now if you were to have netfone? would you tell the enemy the kit your bringing? Now if you don't have netfone nor sensors placed... how is it he knew where all of us were?

It is dodgey. very dodey. I don't think there is any way that anyone can find an excuss as to how ASSHOLE was able to shoot with the sniper rifle at such a distance through the fog. he was trainined on the guy and obviously saw him but didn't shoot to begin with...

It is not fair on [one] though either if they do not get their rightfull spot in the finals

Ok... So on a final note...

I invited DFA Asshole to my gameroom an see if he could redo the shot... He did.
Right after this i banned him... Which it then gave me his ip address...

[a] moley lynx is registered to the BattleTek League (PLUG PLUG) and it shows him using 213.140.19.183.

Low an behold... after checking my ban list... guess who was onit? 213.140.19.183

I never banned moley from my server so now i know its him....

Just want to let everyone know that I have left |DFA| because I can not be a part of this clan anymore. We don?t have the same idea about fun times it seems.

EON-ta

we had our suspiscions about DFA earlier in the season. but that was the time when everyone was acusing everyone for cheating. another clan(who i wont mention before they decide to) had definite doubts about a cb they had against DFA. most probably glitching in that case, but looking at the evidence that has come out in the light of day, i would not at all be surprised if a couple more DFA members have used similar cheats. perhaps not all of the, since i dont like to point fingers at all of them. all the clans that are in the finals, deserve to be there, except from u guys. Learn to play the game as it should be played and earn to be in the finals. anything else would be pissing into wind, cause you will get caught at some point or another. maybe if u come clean and tell the truth, facing the GHR community won't be as embarrassing and maybe let this be a learning lesson.

btw - thanx to the other clans(that earned to be in the finals) for mentioning us/[one] in a positive light. it is much apreciated whatever the outcome of this may be.

Let the best team win!(without DFA)

[one]Rampage

Mauti,

         as DFA was caught cheating within the second cb of the 'best of 3 cb" First Round Finals against BTs, they should forfeit the aforementioned cb, losing the cb and the Round to BTs.  If you choose to Ban DFA from the Ladder and Finals its a little late--BTs has already eliminated them from contention.  Why didn't you ban them when they had been caught cheating before and failed cheat-tests?  Are there any DAMN rules  (or nonDAMN) that DFA hasn't broken?  If so give them time.      
  BTs should not be required to "REDO' Round one -- Bts won round one due to the disqualification and forfeit by DFA of the second CB due to breaking DAMN NEW MEMBER RULE --BTs 6,DFA 0.  Now you may ban them Mauti,
 
               BTs_STuRM :-[

I just had a conversation with asshole/moley.

When I asked him why he cheated, and all of that stuff, he showed me the screenshot on his site. Then he told me that if I have a good LCD screen I'd see the figure.

I have a good LCD screen.
I did not see a figure.

Then I told him that there have been tests done in photoshop proving that there is no figure in that circle.

He told me to use Graphic Converter.

Ok man, I have an idea, why don't YOU use graphic converter, and THEN take a screenshot.

Cheater. >:(

Ive said it a couple of times allready, but perhaps being a dwarf people missed me. BT's has beaten a Clan that should not be in the finals, should not have played in the finals, and should not be playing in GhR if it has members that cheat. I wonder if DFA were aware who 'ASSHOLE' was when the illigally reqruited him? If it wasn't legal for him to play against BT's in the Final, it certainly wasn't legal for him to play MOD at the end of the season.

It is not fair on [one] to have their rightful place in the finals, and their chance go go up against BT's for a place in the next round. Even if BT's beat DFA with their eyes shut and one hand tied behind their backs while wearing pink dress's and flowers in their hair,  it can't count if DFA are not / should not be in the finals! it would be more unfair to remove DFA and have the win by BT's count and deny [one] their finals spot, than to remove DFA and have the final cbs as standard between [one] and BT's.

I understand from BT's point of view that its a bugger to have played a clan twice in the finals only to find that they shouldn't be there... But it must be one hell of a bugger for [one] to find that their place was stolen from them by a cheating clan.

I would not be able to understand the Logic should [one] not be reinstated in finals, and set to play against BT's for a best of three cb's as standard. Surely there can't be any other logical outcome?

I'm not at all suprised DFA got caught cheating AGAIN.
We played DFA a few weeks ago and they lost because of failed
SS (and the presumed glichting, didn't save the replay  :()
I would like to point out to the other clans to take the cheattests more serious (mabey do them on a foggy map now).  I know it's a hastle but we got to get rid of the cheaters.
KGB

well...i just wanted to say that we deserved to be in the finals...i didnt know asshole was a cheater until now of coarse. I myslef have never failed to send in a ss, and i have never cheated. I dont know what will happen with all this, but i dotn want to have a bad rep because of asshole. how was i supposed to know he cheats? so plz stop yelling at me ..i thought he was a ghr player with a lot of talent, not a cheater, so plz tyake this up with asshole not me. or u can talk to viper becuse i dont run DFA. Viper is th main general. and i will probably leave DFA seeing that i hace never cheated, and that i am an honest player.
thats all

I can see that it isn't the fairest thing in the world to simply replace DFA with [one].  They put in the extra effort of hunderds of last minute cbs after all.  We just sat there.

Perhaps, just to be fair to the honest DFAs that are still out there, have them assemble a team of their most honest players.  I will meet this team in a zero-nonsense-tolerated cb for their spot in the finals.  If they win, they lose their cb against BTs and continue in the finals as normal.  If we beat them, [one] takes their place.

All of this is dependent upon Mauti's decision of course.  I am not here to make any pretense or complaint about the supposed "rights" of [one] members.  Some of you know that we don't truly have any ground to stand on when it comes to whining.

[TRIBE]Horda.: is this guy is Moley from Animal ?
|DFA| sar |GE|: yes

Well looked at replay ok the guy cheat no doubt, funny to c him moving (look bts side map and switch back to dfa view etc), he knew  bts' move no doubt

Well how SAR could knew he hired a cheater? look like he knows that it is Moley from a now, but how he could know b4 ?

i dont c others DFA cheating on the replay
For me DFA look more like a young clan with some troubles that a gang of cheaters
i don't c all DFA using same cheats , look like cheats are not shared
not like some clans had all NV full and playing in window mod with they modded files right to em on their desktop rdy to swap or the modded skins

i am not sure about ban DFA whole clan is a good idea, dropinfg em off finals sound good yet


This game just went like tactical ops, full of cheaters

Maybe some anti cheat tools  are coming to us soon  :D

nonono.....plz...i knew he was moley after i read this thread
|DFA| is disbanding anyway because of the situation

I can't believe this one guys has caused so much trouble.

How will we stop this guy from joining other clans? Will he get a ban from GameRanger?

Ross / ViRuS

Yeah i must say my post before gave the wrong inpression. I do not believe that as a clan DFA cheats, there may have been an individual -  or at least obviously Asshole/moley  but I do not think (like [a]) that the clan as a whole should be held responsible for his actions.

Sorry to hear you guys are breaking up Sar.

mb we should ask evill...ive heard he has 7 computers though, if that makes a difference..his name is also |TRIC| sroddy..thoguht id let u know

Mauti, dont take this the wrong way, or the [one] guys, I have a lot of respect for them, but if you are going to replace |DFA| with [one], this means that we are going to have to cb at-least 2 more times maybe 3, before Saturday night. We have fulfilled our obligation to this round of finals. But you are the boss so we are subject to your decision.

P.S. I just wish that the [one] guys be given the  respect they deserve, they fought hard and played well this season. This along with BTs was their first season. Great job guys.

I just wanted to jump in real quick and give a good word for SAR.  The only thing he's guilty of is bad judgment / being gullible.

First, SAR sent his screen shots in, and after the initial anger, handled the situation with us fine.

Second, I was in a game the other day with SAR and Asshole (before the CB).  Asshole was killing everyone like a madman.  I never even saw him in the 6 or 7 games I played.  SAR was also amazed at how good Asshole was.  The only difference was, SAR thought it was talent.  After just having the deal with Shasta, I wasn't going to jump in and accuse anyone of cheating, or other BS.  But from all of SAR's comments, he just though Asshole was very good (it seemed like the first time they had played together).

So SAR, I believe you in that you didn't mean to cheat.  I just think you need to pay a little more attention to who you let in your clan, and how they play.  I hope everyone else sees that too.

And last, we have to talk to Evill about those anti-cheat plugins he was talking about putting in.

DFA has been removed from the ladder. SAR and other members are free to join other clans. Only Moley alias Asshole is banned indefinitly banned from the BL.

BTs you have to repeat your 1st bracket games against [one]. I can understand your position very well nevertheless I think this ladder is about playing a game well and not proceeding without to give [one] their fair chance to win the finals as well!

More at the BL news.

Bye,

Mauti

Mauti,

     you should've banned them before you let them be in Finals.  Once you let them in Finals they forfeited their match by being caught by BTs.  Why should BTs be penalized for catching cheaters? If you didnt want them in Finals, why didnt you ban them b4 when they allegedly cheated against MOD or any of the other clans?

            BTs_STuRM

we are very sorry about this, all i ask is that we don't take the blame(as in other dfa members) for this, i have a feeling clans will be hard to find for the certain DFA members.

There wasn't any evidence that they cheated in previous cbs! There were only missing or to late sent cheattest screenshots but that's it. BTs was the first who could prove that they cheated!

I don't think you are punished you just play your 1st round brackets. If you would have lost against DFA the same would happen.

Bye,

Mauti

we will see if this works.....
he has to change his name, thats all......

Mauti and others please view this new thread....


http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=4388

I wonder if Evill could get ips of GR users, so he could tell us if he changes his name again.

Just noticed a "mod" at GhR.net called M.O.R.P.H. Anti-Hack .The read-me says this is the sort of shit it's supposed to be created for. Might be worth looking into.
    (tried it out on GR,but nobody could join my game.presume mod is server client.or maybe everyones cheating these days  Lol)

We have his ip if Evill wants it

Evill will ban him, his acount number is more than enough.
I know this is a little bit late but...
http://homepage.mac.com/farmerjeb/cheating1.jpg
Its easy to turn off fog in singleplayer, but i haven't figured out exactly how he did it through multiplayer yet...