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Just wanted to let everyone know, in case they haven't been to Apple's site recently.

Wonder what'll be in 10.3???




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Panther will probably support 64bit commands to make use of the next generation 970 64bit Power PC chips by IBM  ;D ;D ;D furthers it should improve overall speed and much more...

Bye,

Mauti

     It's Panther, people, "Panther."  ;)

I really, really hope so, Mauti!

Bah I dont wana Buy another OS they should make it free i just spent 70 bucks for Jag couple months ago Bahh

Apple's in the mood for screwing folks over. Been doing it for years  ;D

Yeah, one might say its not so much a mood as a business model. >:(

Bah, Apple doesn't screw people over and I seriously doubt this will be a paid upgrade. If it is, it will be one hell of a point release and they would call it 10.5 or something.

Wait, what am I saying. You aren't a Mac faithful if you don't bitch about Apple BEFORE they even do anything.

Ok...then show me something good that apple has where you don't have to pay for it.

I can name plenty that are the exact opposite....

iLife
"Premium" Apple Works
Jag
Most likely Panther...I wouldn't put it past them

Not to mention the overly priced machines. I could buy a pc that out performs the best mac for at least $1500. Far less than what apple has to offer.  ;D

Good Things? for free:
10.1
X11
Safari
iTunes
iPhoto
iMovie
iCal
Quicktime
Rendezvous

That's just off the top of my head. But more importantly, you must remember that Apple is a company that is trying to make money. They can't just give everything away for free.

Show me a $1500 PC that can run OS X and then we can talk about "outperforming."

Mac is screwing over its most loyal customers...my old man, who has purchased Apple products since 1984 exclusively, has recently purchased a PC because he feels that the Macintosh brand is trying to screw him in the ass with costly updates and overpriced machines (don't talk to me about quality of parts, buying from the major brand names tends to get you high quality parts and an easy to execute warranty if a part happens to fail).

Also... Quicktime basic is free to everyone, PC or Mac.

As for low cost, he bought a fully loaded 2.67ghz P4 for only $1700...until Apple gets their act back together, they will be in a hopeless battle to regain market share. Steve Jobs needs to go back to school or hire someone who has any sense of customer service and marketability.

I think we apple loyals have a right to bitch once in a while, nothing ever really serious though there is no way I'm ever switching (traitors!). Maybe when a PC company makes something half as stylish as anything apple makes we can talk. Also, people trumpet the high megahertz level that many PCs run at but don't say how that transfers into performance. So yeah, I'd prefer to NOT have to pay for this update but I'll do whatever I can to keep a great company afloat.

ok, i'll admit i skimmed this thread, so i might have missed it, but do we even know if you have to pay for panther?
maybie apple is on a code name kick right now. i mean doesn anyone rember the cold fusion, peltdown man, carl sagen fiasco?

apple has had a long history of codnaming EVERYTHING including free updates, you just never really hear about them because they tended to be small.

i might also remind the faithfull that you did the same thing with os1-9, although i dont remember all this bitching when you had to go from 7.x.x to 8 to 8.5 to 8.6
those os updates have done the same thing these 'point' releases have done for os 10. major preformance upgrades but no overall file system change. things may have changed signaficantly under the hood, in say 8.5 but can you really argue that 10.2 didnt do the same thing

just one final question for you all. would you be bitching nearly as much if apple were to release XI at MWSF, even if it did the exact same thing?

I agree Ass.


Tasty...that's all macs are for....style. Anyone that sees my imac with the movable screen will say "Cool Comp" and then go about their day. Not to mention the shitty ports for the small amount of games available to the mac. A pc with a 32mb card will get 40-60fps in medal of honor while I still get 10-20. Nvidia can suck my cock. I've had better experiences with ATI. When you look at what macs are good for....it doesn't compare to what the pc can do. Now I'm not going to switch...god no...I hate pc's as much as you. Apple just needs to tone down the hype and start serving its customers. Stop breaking the bank.

Yeah definetely that's true py, even though my iBook is much faster than my roommates Dell Dimension, he can play games way better because of his vastly superior video card. I was just saying that we all have different reasons for our computer choices and one of mine happens to be that for the large amount of time I spend on my computer in a typical week I want both the box design and the GUI to be stylish, functional, and fully customizable. Same with the programs apple makes: Safari, iTunes, and iCal work much better for me than any of their PC counterparts or competitors. That's why I'll be sticking with apple for as long as they continue to make superior programs and I continue to own a computer.

Brain, Apple has used a feline codename for each of the OS X releases:

Cheetah (10.0)
Puma (10.1)
Jaguar (10.2)
Panther (10.3)

(On a side note, does anyone know if the public beta went by Cheetah or something else?)

To all the people who are bitching about performance to Apple, that is something they have done the best with what they have. Motorola has been dragging its feet for a while now as they don't really care about their processor business anymore. Admittedly, the bus architecture could use some work, but I have a feeling that given the current state of the G4 they are more focused on making a killer setup for the 970.

For those who bitch about price, shut up. Quality isn't cheap. I'll glady pay a little more (not nearly as much as everyone makes it out to be) for a system that will last me longer, is higher quality, and looks damn good. Hell, on the laptop side, they still are keeping up with x86's for bang for your buck while making a slick laptop that could only be from Cupertino.

Sin, your dad is a traitor. So are you for that matter. You sure you guys aren't French or something?

One other quick note.

PC's do play games better, no doubt about it.  Much of it comes from games being written and optimized for PC hardware.

But, outside of games, in the rest of the world, Macs performance is just as good as a PC's.  And the stability of OSX is much better then that of Windoze.

Assassin, your father is just switching paying for MAC OS to paying for MS OS, which charge every couple years for upgrades too, and is much less stable.

Here a link to a site where OS X is compared to WinXP, and quite fairly...

http://www.xvsxp.com/ (http://www.xvsxp.com/)

Not to anger any die hard Apple Followers, but I have heard from different people that Apple is slowly falling, and falling till they hit rock bottom like they did in the mid 90's with the costly chips.

I have to agree with Ace about the free products that Apple has given us.  Maybe we're mad because we've been spoiled with free stuff from Apple too long???:D
And I doubt Apple will release a new Powermac with the 970 proc. due to the fact that the stock market is having a bumby ride now.

And I have noticed another factor also.  Apple isn't really putting its efforts in Gaming, they're based on the photo,movie, and creativity industry.  But thats my opinion

Happy reading,
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He is hardly a traitor...he is just fed up. Hell, he has been a loyalist paying top dollar for their products long before most of you were even born.

The fact of the matter is that now there isn't the giant gap that made Apple stand out from PC machines anymore. It is his opinion that there is no use paying more than $1000 more for the same machine just because it has teh Apple name. Hell, most PC manufactureres have superior customer service now because they are all in fierce competition with each other while Apple is sitting back on its ass content with its very small market share that is now declining since the iMac boom has gone bust.

As I said earlier, once Steve Jobs hires someone who can market their products well and boost customer service, I think Apple will be content on slowly dying. This is unfortunate, but they are doing it to themselves...Apple needs to re-establish that gap in quality they once had with the PC's if they want to survive.

I'll list what he got for $1700 and what you can get for $1700 from Apple later tonight when I return.

And Ace, to the contrary...I am anything but French. We were supposed to go to France for his work and the Paris Air Show, but it looks like we won't be going because of our dislike of the Frog's.

Slowly dieing?  Hasn't Apple faired better profit wise then most PC companies in the past few years?  Not the industry, but company to company?

Back to the issue at hand.  Apple's latest trend that seems to be pissing people off is naming something a point release, when it's oh so much more then a simple point release.  Anyone that used 10.0 should notice a huge difference between it and 10.2.  There was a huge amount of changes in 10.0 to 10.1, and the only reason they didn't charge for that was because so many were fixes, not improvements.

So, 10.3 or 10.5, the number doesn't matter, that's just perception.  What matters is how much of a difference it makes.  Remember, you don't have to upgrade, you can wait for 10.4 or later.

One quick note from apple rumor mill.  The biggest change in 10.3 will be going from HFS+ to BFS.  That's the way the hard drive works, for those that don't recognize it.  BFS (Be File System from the old Be OS) is a fully journaled file system, something Apple has been working hard on lately.  If true, that will be a big boost.  Instead of my typing it all, check out an article on it here:

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=421&page=13

Bucc, it's dying, dieing is what you do with dies ;D

I personally don't think this upgrade will cost anything, they probably won't have enough improvements to the system to pull that off.