*DAMN R6 Forum

I know some of you have been waiting for me to show this so I figured I would post it here. There are a few bugs left I stil have to kink out but overall the site is complete. Please give me feedback, positive and negative. It took me and my brother 4 days to make, lol.

http://homepage.mac.com/clankos  ;)

Excellent site. Great pics, everything. So i suppose KoS turned GHR?

Ultimo, i just wanna let u know on the poor job you did on it.  Man the effort level shows. Your site really sucks.  Lame screen shots too.   ;D

Ultimo, make everything i just said the opposite.  Thats how good it is.   ;D

wee.. gotta love nitpicking....


? The top banner looks kind out of place without a border around it or being flush up against  the sides.

? The borders of the buttons on the navbar are thin at the top and bottom, but in the middle where' they're all close to each other they get double up and are twice as thick. personally, I think this looks kinda chunky.

? The roster page takes a long time to scroll through, a list of name-links at the top of the page that'll make it jump down to the name you click on could make it a lot easier to navigate.

? Maybe putting a break between the SS's on the roster page would make it a bit better, it looks kinda all smashed together as it is.

? The counter numbers on the CB record page don't blend in with the background.. maybe a little box around them, even just a table with a border, might make them fit in a bit better.

? The credits page is just bland. Photoshop up a little image or something to give it some life.

? In the SS section, when you click "artwork" or "screenshot", when the next page loads the one you clicked stays glowing. Doing something like this for the navbar could add another little good thing.


That's all I can think of for now. On the good side, it looks great and I love the downloads section.

Ultimo, your website is amazing. You did good work with it and are quite a talent with web design. Keep up the amazing work comrade Ultimo.

i would critisize but i gotta go bye!

www.J831.com my latest project

add a mouseout thingy to the rollovers so the rollover doesn't stick, btw they worked really well in chimera.

Wow, lame site. It's on Mac.com, so you can't even make it use databases.  Get a real host.

I try to make the best I can out of what I have. Why don't you show me "your site" being that your so fast to call my site lame.

Everyone else, thank you for your feedback. I did use some of your suggestions like seperating the buttons and roster pics alittle. I will work more later cuz right now I am sick and tired of working on website stuff.

He has Ult, remember www.th3sp0t.com lmfao.

LOL! I didn't know that was Romulus !!! muhahahaha

1 minute, I'll copy the files on to my server...

Here we go.. Linkage (http://th3sp0t.com/layout.html)

That's the layout that I am working on.. Should have it all re-sliced up and ready to go this weekend...

Note: The buttons on the top will have mouse-overs, but I didn't include them in this latest save.

Nice site KoS. . .

On top of Anarchy's nitpicking, I'd point out that your "join KOS" form doesn't work.  If you can, I'd suggest using a cgi script with it.  My personal favorite is Soupermail (http://soupermail.sourceforge.net) but it's a little bulky.

You misspelled "inspiration" on the credits page.

Also, although they look great, Flash rollovers alienate people who don't have Flash.  If you don't care, that's fine, but otherwise I'd suggest Photoshop and mouseover scripts.

And romulus, your site looks like a Microsoft template on LSD.  It loaded cumbersomely and has no functionality.  Great job!

Wow.. Isn't that something? I talked to a professional web designer, and he thought it was a really great layout, and then this newb who can't make a site that looks halfass decent says that i's a Microsoft template. Wow.

This layout was made using Photoshop7 and 3D Studio Max5, and EditPlus - text editor for the 1337 :) Just because you can?t make it doesn?t mean you need to slam it.

So where did you still you design from this time ?


I did make them in PS7, not flash.

I reckon that's a darn purdy site ya got thar', Ultimo.

 I like it, great work Ultimo. :)

Actually Romulus, my site isn't half bad...but it emphasizes function over lots of pointless graphics.  www.capitolaw.com (http://www.capitolaw.com)

Your Photoshop site design is overcomplicated, and the HTML is clunky.

And I fully believe it to be original, although it has the same tastelessness common to the templates made by "professional web designers" at Microsoft.  

oh yea... loudnotes, couple things i've been meaning too say about that capitol law site:

the rollover color for the buttons kinda clashes, and the text on them looks slightly above-center. otherwise, it's a great site.

i love critiquing sites  ;D

You really have wasted some time warezing 3dstudiomax on that site, it seems that you made some surfaces and swirled them, then rendered. 3d backgrounds serve no purpose other than impressing ADD kids with the pretty pictures.
The entire site is a imagemap fresh out of a photoshop 7 export  :o which isn't so great to our friends on 56k.
It doesn't seem that any part of the source has been touched with your "1337" text editor. "<!-- ImageReady Slices (layout.psd) -->" which i'm sure the leetness came in with 5 body and page atributes had to be changed.

Hey no problem anarchy. . .

I welcome comments and suggestions, especially if I'm critiquing someone else!  

And the colors are kind of weird. . .the dark green of the buttons ranges from its intended color to black depending on the monitor.  And the highlighting is anything from carolina blue to purple.

Oh well....thanks for pointing it out.  I may try to fix it someday.

loudnotes w/ his professional site, grrrrr

Don't you use GoLive?

I used to, now I mostly use Dreamweaver.  -ln

Yes, the HTML is quite *clunky* - What you saw was a export of the PhotoShop images. I am working on reslicing the PSD and once that is done the HTML will be all hand coded. I just couldn't justify writing the code for a demo...

All points true :) This is just a demo, so it is just a simple PhotoShop export. Once I have sliced it, it will be hand coded.

Loudnotes - You use a graphical HTML editor? Wow... Weak! :p Try something like BBEdit or EditPlus (Depending on your OS). Dreamweaver causes too many problems with any HTML I have tried to edit using it, and it's handling of PHP just plain blows.

Well, that professional web designer must blow, because either he lied to you or doesn't know jack shit about usibility guidelines.  Look at the resolution of that page.  Look at how the advertisement is the focal point.  Look at how big that file size will be.  It's a creative photoshop image, but lousey for a web site.  And I'm not a noob, I do this for a living.

Your leet code is bullshit too.  I looked at your site www.pchardwaremods.com, and that was not done using a text editor.  If it was, you were cutting and pasting from something that did use a wysiwyg editor.  The code is crappy, not clean at all.  Looks like something phpNuke or PostNuke puts out, that someone tried to mod the templates on.

One last thing.  If you are creating just html, Dreamweaver or Allure's Homesite are two of the better editors to put just the code in.  Those are standards for most real web work.  But must real web work is being done in JSP now (and the OSX development tools rock for this type of work, WebObjects is the shit).

you could mark code up all you want with explanations for what is happening in the code, or you can just do it your own way. I could give a shit about if i tab table cells when i make a site. As long as you know what is going on... thats all that matters
well after that little weed/booze enduced rampage i reacon i'm gonna get some shut eye 8)

Well put.  Comments and hand coding are great if you have hours of free time and you're an ?ber-perfectionist, but I'm not.

The only importance to clean code is fast load times, and if you use a 56k, you'll find the difference between a Dreamweaver page and a hand-coded one is neglible.  Besides, as long as I and all browsers understand exactly where each element of code is and what it does, who cares whether anyone else can?

Furthermore, much of the site is done by hand.  I let Dreamweaver figure out the table positioning and crap that I don't need to waste my time doing, and let it duplicate rollover scripts, etc, and then I adjusted things to my own standards.  Really, those who insist on doing everything by hand have too much misplaced pride.

Incidentally, I don't claim that my site is on the forefront of design, but I do note that it works --> delivering information quickly, easily, and attractively.  I had no use for PhP or next-generation web programming.

i like romulus website (http://th3sp0t.com/layout.html) i think its even better than kos website

I think this applies to pun's situation... har har.

indeed it does

does it now?

So that's why so many professional webmasters use Dreamweaver then huh?

Are you guys sure that's Romulus? Last time I checked he couldn't spell to save his life....

RSC
romulus spell checker

Maybe you got him confused with SK. . .they all kind of run together after a while.

But I'm pretty sure it's the same chap...maybe he's been taking english lessons.

I like Dreamweaver and use it, well mostly because I don't know full html ;), but I have experienced some problems with it, like for some reason it adds random /'s to the html or my jpg's and I have to take them out for them to load in IE.

What version do you use Infect?

Version 5.5

muahaha! Dreamweaver pwns. I've been using it since vers. 2 and I haven't found anyhing to drag me away from it. yet...

Also, i'd like to announce that i'm jumping on the "make a new webpage" bandwagon as well.. near final version ready, just gotta add in the rest of the pages and make it look even more l33t. check it out, and critique the hell out of it fo rme if you will:

http://nads.home.attbi.com/testing/ (http://nads.home.attbi.com/testing/)

LOL, nice site capt... my info sucked though :)


*NADS Ben
poobrain
Location: ? (Galt or Sacramento, California)

Age: ? (17, same as you... you knew that!)
Bio:

?????Ben's just.. Ben. permabanned from GR for.. uh... something. That's ok, he's also still a *NAD. But we dont' wub him.


I feel so unwubbed.

Ben

Mods, please make this a single post. Forgot to add this.

Tehehe, Capt, also, most of what other people's bios applied to me :)... Shitt comp, shitty framerate, joined during mod period when i was 26.8k connection to cable... Bah, anyway, your smexy, lovely site

Ben

Wow, all clan sites are being redone, I think Jeb changed the cunt site...

lol i don't like my info, it just bashes my pc.

most of that info is temporary, just so there's some filler "content." Any complaints about the overall design or anything? Anyone, please. Here's you're chance to bash the hell out of a site and have it be good for society =D

I like the overall look. . .but I HATE FRAMES.

I think it's really just a personal thing, but they are kind of clunky, don't render well between different browsers, and make different elements of the site seem disjointed.

It does have a nice effect of having the text scroll across the background, but in general I would recommend either continuing the background down lower or only putting one page worth of text on screen at a time.  It's a tough choice, but it will make the site easier to use. . .

Also, the white on black is tough on my eyes.  The roster page looked fine, because the white text was on the dark part of the image.  If you continued that dark part lower you wouldn't need frames. . .

But anyway, the text visibility needs some work.  Otherwise, great job.  I love rollover highlighting  ;D

Well i changed the title graphic and the image maps...
however i am working on a completly redone site from the ground up that will make you question your sexuality, and turn the sound off on your computer  ;D

about frames, they suck ass for most things, the only time i use frames are to hide a embeded mp3 so it plays thruout the links on the site.

Jesus Christ (forgive me, lord), why does everyone hate frames so much? Jeb, loudnotes, myst, half the people i've shown the page too. Look at the benefits from well-used frames: greatly reduced loadtimes, static portions of the page to ease navigation, and... um... not much else.

As for the background being too light, try turning your monitor's brightness down, makes all the difference in the world. If too many people gripe, i may just make the background even darker.. sigh...

Anyways, you guys notice any major bugs or anything? i don't have all the freaky browsers out there, so i can say is it looks fine for me in IE 5.1. The background is s'posed to stay static while you scroll, and there should be no borders on anythign anywhere. if it looks leet, then you know it's working fine =D

well, frankly i dont hate frames at all. i like the way that you dont have to reload everything as you surf the site, but then again, i do have broadband

anyway, my personal opinon is that if frames are well done, they are very usefull tools. if they are abused tough, then they are the DEVIL!

I wub the layout and frames and stuff capt. You're smexy and stuff... The opennings coold. We need a flash intro! :)

Ben

"Request for blocked URL

Your request for http://nads.home.attbi.com/ was blocked. "
for some reason privoxy (www.privoxy.com) tries to block your site... the reasons as it explains is...
"
+filter {js-annoyances}
+filter {html-annoyances}
"
infact it won't even load your graphics must be something wrong with your url that is setting that off, either that our your trying to get us infected with nimda :P

nm the code.. it looks leet!

Thank you for your opinion on the design. About the current sites hand-codedness (heh, once again, my word :)), it is all coded by me, with out aid in any application such as Dreamweaver, with exception to the JS in it, because I can't do JS. The site is in PHP right now because that is what I use, but once I am done with my Java2-1 course, I am considering looking in to JSP. Do you have a link that could give me a quick overview of JSP?
Very true :) I personally like proper tabs, but what ever floats your boat
Finally, someone who likes my layout (And who is a good graphics designer!)
I don't think that many programers that code dynimac code like to use Dreamweaver or a another application like DW, because they really screw up the code. I have tried a few of those app's, and have always fell back to EditPlus.

And yes, I can spell and type decently, when I choose. I have improved my typing skills drastically since leaving the Mac community, mainly because I have to type faster in CS then I did in RS :)
A) I'm not SK or any other one of your people. I am either Romulus or SiGmA_X (Mac and PC names, respectively). I haven?t use another name, and don't plan on it any time soon. And no, I haven?t taken English lessons.
This is even worse of a problem when dealing with PHP and Dreamweaver :p

i use dreamweaver simply because it simplifies the time i waste coding html, also the file browsing feature and sites organization is great for keeping links work when you change filenames. I really don't see a problem with using the help of dreamweaver even though i know how to code by hand. Using the graphical interface in dreamweaver is pretty lame.
A friend of my mom's is in charge of a webdesign shop in seattle, they mainly use dreamweaver for coding purposes.

Some people really like it, and are faster with it then hard-coding the pages... I prefer hard-coding, because everything I do involves PHP so it only takes 3 lines of code for the entire layout's inclusion :) For the layout I also hardcode it, but that's just of of habit.

With this next layout (www.th3sp0t.com/layout.html) I might use Dreamweaver a bit to set it up, but I haven?t decided yet...