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As far as the Heisman trophy goes, in my mind only one man unquestionably deserves it at this point: Iowa State's Seneca Wallace. He has led a team that wasn't even ranked at the beginning of the season to the #9 spot in the nation, and has restored national respect for a program that according to ESPN.com, won the third fewest games in division 1 in the 1990s. He defeated 15th ranked Iowa, vanquished Nebraksa, and now moves on to #2 Oklahoma this week. He also almost upset Florida State, but his game-tying touchdown at the buzzer was called back in one of the worst calls I have ever seen in college football (a fact largely agreed upon by most experts). He is a natural leader and works with a team that is far less talented than the other teams that have heisman contenders on them, like Miami, Ohio State, and Oregon. He does more for his team than anyone else, and he does it well, whether it be threading the needle in heavy traffic, scrambling for huge gains, or throwing the long bomb for the TD. In short, Seneca Wallace has built a huge program from nothing, and he is the motherfucking shit and should win the Heisman in a landslide vote. Seneca Wallace is what the Heisman is all about.

ESPN article stating why Seneca should win the heisman: http://msn.espn.go.com/page2/s/whitlock/021017.html

ESPN's weekly-updated Heisman watch: http://espn.go.com/ncf/heisman/index.html

Sorry I am pulling for Bowling Greens QB
and Ontario Smith of Oregon

bowling greens quarterback isn't in the running, whoever he is, (and he probably sux anyway) and Onterrio Smith, as I said earlier, cannot match Seneca's achievements when compared within the context of the team he had to work with.

As a Big 12 person, I totally agree about Seneca Wallace.  Although I do not see how Iowa State could have won the third fewest games in DI...they weren't THAT bad of a team ever really.  They haven't been a bowl team but they do get a few Big 12 wins.  Baylor is the team that really sucks, they got their first win in Big 12 play in four years against Kansas two weeks ago.  I don't have the stats but I just don't buy that Iowa State was that bad.

Anyway, I'm going to be watching when Iowa State comes to Boulder in November.

bondo i got that stat from the ESPN article (the first one i linked to, the one defending why he should win it). it was surprising at first, but then i realized that all of their bowl games came in 2000 and 2001. they had some really ugly seasons before that. anyway, go hawks, and go seneca (I'm the only Hawkeye I know that wants seneca to win). ;D

The QB for Bowling Green is Josh Harris.  Learn the name, you'll see it in next year's Heisman running.  He's only a Junior this year.  But he is good.

I like Byron Leftwich from Marshall and Charles Rogers.  Rogers is a long shot and a half, being a WR.  But I think he is by far the best WR in the NCAA right now.  I think he plays better then Moss did when he was at Marshall.  Or better then Desmond Howard when he won the Heisman.

The real question is, when and will Bowling Green play or beat anyone of significance.  I haven't been seeing them upsetting top 25 teams so I don't care if they are undefeated, just like Marshall and Tulane of years past.  Seneca Wallace has been performing against top rate opponents and will continue to.

As for Rogers...his team stinks...and he isn't really able to do anything about it.  A Heisman winner should be able to make his team win.  He just isn't doing that.  Sure, he is averaging over 6 catches, 100 yards, and a touchdown per game, but his team is 3-3.

If it isn't Wallace it should be who it should have been last year, Ken Dorsey.  Or *cough* Chris Brown, the best back in the nation, the hell with that Ohio State guy.  Or if Air Force goes undefeated then Chance Harridge should really be given a...chance.

There is no doubt that Rogers is one of the best wideouts we have seen in a while, but there is also no doubt that he won't win it the way his team is playing right now. However Bondo, this is not his fault. I don't care if you are Jerry Rice, NO receiver can take a team on his back the way a QB, RB, or maybe even a truly dominant MLB can. Yet the Heisman voters probably won't take this into cosideration.

I think the only way a WR can do it is if they play DB and Kick Returner as well.  That way they increase their impact.  That is why Charles Westbrook was able to win it.  Even if his QB struggles, he can make a difference.

HAHAHA charles rogers WAS having a good season until him and his "teammates" came to iowa city for a 44-16 trouncing, where the Hawks held him to 30 something yards and no touchdowns. I was at the game, and he didn't do jack shit.

wow, and you almost had me going until that brillant statement.  considering that josh harris has also taken an unheard of mac team into the rankings and you just discount him. and he is a junior.  

teams schedules are made years in advance, so you can't hold it aganst a player that he doesn't play against ranked teams (bowling green only played one ranked team so far).  all you can judge is how they play against their competition.

i also predict that isu will start getting it's ass handed to them, looking at their schedule, and that a big 10 lad will be bringing home the statue.

I dont think Seneca Wallace will win the Heisman because quite frankly, he will get his ass handed to him by both Oklahoma (at Oklahoma) and Texas (at Texas).

Looking at that, his only game against a decent team this year has been the season opener at home against Florida State, where he lost.

As for Bondo saying Chris Brown is better than Maurice Clarett, you are wrong. While Brown has more rushing yards (about 140 due to longer TD runs from scrimmage), no one is more important to his team than Clarett. Clarett thus far has accounted for 90 of his team's points - tied for the NCAADI lead with Chance Harridge, a QB and more than all of the kickers (who generally have the most points). For clarification, Chris Brown only has 60 points worth of offense. Take away Brown's 300+ yard romp at Kansas and he becomes a mediocre to decent back at best statwise.

Back on topic: Because I see Wallace getting raped by Oklahoma and Texas, Dorsey will won the Heisman if he can run the table again with Miami (although Va. Tech looms large at the end of the season).

P.S.: That is bullshit that you would switch your allegiances to a rival QB and hope that he wins the Heisman, Tasty. That is like me wishing that Carson Palmer would win for USC or that Ace wishes that Rickey Manning Jr. would win for UCLA.

As far as the two assaults on me?

I want it for the state of Iowa, who generally will get no respect for their academic or sports programs no matter what they do just because people have ridiculous prejudices against Iowa. If Seneca/Iowa State gets more respect, than the state of Iowa gets respect and that respect will extend to the University of Iowa, who is also having an excellent season. By the way, when you asked what other talented teams Iowa State has played this year, you forgot the University of Iowa, currently ranked 15th in the nation. You also forgot their upcoming games against ranked opponents Kansas State and Colorado that are sprinkled in between their big Texas and Oklahoma games. Iowa State actually has one of the toughest schedules in all of college football. If they go even 4-2 in their last 6 games, Seneca will undoubtedly be in the top three candidates for the heisman.

and?

deadeye, i discount this player because i have never seen him referenced as a potential candidate on sportingnews.com or espn.com, my two main sources for football news. I also don't know about him because I don't own a TV and therefore never watch ESPN, foxsports, or see any of the college football games besides the Hawkeye ones, which I attend in person.

Want it for the state of Iowa? Bullshit. Do I want UCLA to win for the city of Los Angeles? Hell no. I want them to go 0-11 year in and year out. I'm sure Sin wishes the same fate on USC. Frankly, there is no acceptable reason to root for your rival.

Also, USC has the toughest schedule in the nation.

The funny thing here is that Deadeye, who played college football at UofM, still cheers for Ohio State and Michigan State (and any other Big 10 School), as long as they aren't playing UofM.  He wants the conference to be strong, and UofM to be strongest.  He doesn't even want Ohio State to lose to anyone else, and the OSU UofM is one of the biggest and longest rivalries in football (right behind the over 100 years of UofM Notre Dame).

And tasty, you really have a complex about being stuck in Iowa, don't you?  No respect?  Who says UofI gets no respect?  I mean, they haven't done much lately to earn it, but still, they get more then Northwestern.  And I hate to tell you that if ISU gets that respect, UofI's doesn't go up, it actually goes down a little with me.  What were they thinking letting a recruit like that get away?

Where did you get that bit of info Ace?  Your ass maybe?

2 notes?
For one thing, Seneca Wallace was a juco transfer from California that started at ISU as a defensive player. So a better question should be what was USC/UCLA/whatever other teams you guys might cheer for doing letting him get away?

For another, Iowa and ISU have done quite a bit to garner respect lately, such as Iowa State going to a bowl game for the 4th year in a row and Iowa for the 2nd as of this year. These are huge programs in huge conferences, and to compare Iowa football to Northwestern is just plain an insult. I don't have a "complex" as you say about living in Iowa; I merely recognize false beliefs held by many about the state (not that football has anything to do with how good a state is) and the schools there.

And Ace, as far as your USC-UCLA example, it doesn't hold true for Iowa/Iowa State because programs like UCLA and USC have more storied football histories and get respect no matter how bad they are. I root for Iowa State every game they play except when they play Iowa. I have friends that go to Iowa State, and growing up I never really had any big allegiance between the two since both my parents went to out of state schools. So I don't really think its harmful to root for both. A person can have more than one team besides just his "#1" team.

Hate to break it to you, but Northwestern is in that same huge conference as Iowa.   I'm pretty sure they've been to the Rose Bowl more recently too (before all the BS Bowls started).

Yes, and I believe the coach that took them there went to the Fiesta Bowl with CU last year  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/banana.gif).

Anyways, that USC-UCLA thing doesn't really apply to Colorado either.  People pick sides in CU-CSU and Air Force-CSU (and I assume Air Force-CU if they get that started back up like they say they might) but outside of that I know few people in Colorado who don't want Colorado teams to win.  I think California is just full of embittered sports fans...or maybe too many sports teams.

Finally a thing to consider, Iowa has one of the most storied Arena Football teams ;)...after all, Kurt Warner played for the Barnstormers.

Yeah, always hated him for breaking his contract with Northwestern that way.  Good coach, bad move.

No Bondo, unlike you people who choose 10 favorite teams and love everyone in your state, Ace and I love a good rivalry, and to be rivals, you dislike the other team. That is why I want us to crush the damn Trojans when they come to the Rose Bowl and for the Angels to break out the broom and send the god damn Giants back to 'frisco (yeah, I am a Dodgers fan, blow me).

If I played by your rules, I wouldn't be a sports fan, I would be a pansy who hopes everyone wins.

I never said all the Colorado teams are my favorites, I just said I don't hope that they lose against non-Colorado teams.  What is wrong with that.  As a CU fan do I need to wish that CSU lose every game?  The only football team I do that with is Nebraska (because THEY are the rival).  I have added USC as a team I cheer against at all times though just because Ace puts so much emphasis on one win they had (their only impressive win btw).

bucc, it IS true that northwestern has been to the rose bowl more recently than iowa? but it is still an insult to iowa to compare their programs, because if you discount all northwestern football after 1995 (and therefore all their success), then you will see the history of one of the worst teams and worst overall lifetime records ever in division I.

So Iowa and Northwestern have more in common then I mentioned, what's your point Tasty?  It's not like Iowa even compares to Michigan, but Iowa is in the Big 10, so I do give them the same amount of credit as Northwestern.

bucc, iowa may not stack up to michigan but they have a far greater football history than northwestern. i mean, look at the years when Hayden Fry was coach (1978-1998). They went to 14 bowl games, were number one in the nation in 1985, and won the big 10 three times. thats pretty damn good i would say. what was northwestern doing during that 20 years? jack shit.

In the last 15 years, I think Northwestern has had a much better program then Iowa on the whole.  And I've always respected that Northwestern doesn't give it's athletes a break.  They are all smart enough to get into the school and belong there.  Unlike many other programs, which include Michigan (no offense to Deadeye, who did graduate).

OMFG OMFG OMFG. Seneca Wallace just lost the Heisman today. Jesus, talk about falling apart. Oklahoma raped ISU, and Seneca went 4 of 22 (i think) w/3 interceptions. Damn, Oklahoma is good. In other news, U of Iowa pwned Indiana to retain their lead in the big 10. Next week, Michigan. DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE MICHIGAN PREPARE TO BE OWNED DIE.

4 for 22.  43 yrds passing and three interceptions.  -15 yrds rushing.  I'm pretty sure that Seneca Wallace has just put himself firmly out of the running, or at least droped down there with the guy who's name you don't know from Bowling Green (which my WMU Bronco's are beating right now).

That was just an old fashioned ass kicking there.

Now, for the rest of the day.  Go Blue!  Go Bronc's (WMU)!  Go Air Force!  

Any Oregon fans here we can mess with?

Well I just got a little time after the thumping we handed Washington and before the Giants own the Angels, so I'll make it short and sweet.

USC owned. Hell yeah.

Oregon got punked. Woot.

Michigan escaped. Could have been better, but they should be happy.

Seneca Wallace and Heisman won't be mentioned in the same sentence again. Air Force-ND is gonna be great between innings.

Go Giants.

Later.

Well, waiting for next week's ass whooping by Texas and Seneca wont even be in the top 10 in Heisman voting.

As for Ace: Washington played like shit and USC got some nice breaks...not a bad game.

Bucc: I believe the Oregon Ducks are one of Zaitsev's 20 top favorite teams, I am sure we can give him some shit for losing to ASU.

Nicely put.

Yes, Michigan didn't play all that well, but still got away with the W.

WMU lost to Bowling Green in double OT, the bastards.

I don't think that Maurice Clarett helped himself much today.  133 yrds and I don't rememer him scoring.  But his team won and he didn't suck, so it didn't hurt him either.  Michigan State got raped again, so I see Rogers sitting next to Wallace watching the trophy ceremony from the couch.

Marshell won big, but against a nobody team.  And I just don't think they'd give the trophy to anyone from Marshell, since Chad Pennington didn't win it, and he was a much better QB.

On a side note, this one for Tasty, the ESPN pre game did talk about Iowa, and how they thought Iowa was the best team in the Big 10.  Not that they had the best record (because they've played one more conference game then the others), but they said they thought Iowa would be in the Rose Bowl for sure (which was strange, since I thought the Rose went BCS).  Anyway, I doubt it, but I thought it would make you feel better Tasty.

Well, Chris Brown got three TDs and 160 yards in just over one half of the game before he took a well deserved rest as CU rolled Baylor 34-0 (having scored 34 points in the first half and then elected not to run up the score now that it doesn't matter for the BCS).