*DAMN R6 Forum

Okay all, just somthings that I would like to bring to your attention regarding Scott and GameRanger. Now, I know that there are a lot of you out there who don't like Scott, however try and think of all the things that he has to do for us to make us able to play games here on GameRanger, He has to buy the servers, Which now I think are currently a Dual 800 G4, and a 500 iMac. He has to spend hours and hours making updates, Patches for the games to work, etc. Keep in mind that he does this all for free! This means that he has to take his money that he earns and spend it on us, to keep GameRanger up, thats just spending money on Rich people that you don't even know! We should feel lucky that we have him instead of someone else who would make us pay for this service. Personaly, I think that he has a right to be a little mean to people and strict with Bans etc.  I mean really, if you were the one who works really hard and spends your money to give people a major service, and then have people like Zak ( just an example ), to come up to you and tell you to "Go Fuck your mother through her ass", How would that make you feel? Basically, I feel that sence he's giving up his time and money to give rich people that he doesn't even know a service, then if they're mean to him, then he should give them a ban. Please, tell me what you think, however, I want acurate opinions using facts, not just a thread bashing Scott.

-Typhy

Typhy, last time I checked there are ads on GR, and seeing as it is used by quite a few people, that is some decent money from game publishers to show off their game.  Maybe it doesn't cover his costs, but he certainly isn't making no money on GR.

Well Typhy,

While I think Evill's efforts do rate him some slack in things, I don't think it's all as you say.

First, he does get some money from GR.  He may not break even yet, but he does make some money from the click through purchases (and I even bought RTCW and UT through his click-throughs so he'll get some cash from them).  He's not doing this just to be nice, he is in it for a business as well...  

Second, lots of people give time, money and effort to the mac gaming community.... and do it without being rude.  I donate servers and bandwidth (not much and not a big deal at all) with no banners... and not being rude.. and look at what Mauti does with all the conversions and the Battle League (let's not forget Gravedigger, Coco, Elandrion, and all the others).  They are some of the nicest guys around.  Look at the guys from MaG...  nobody is ever rude over there.  They put forth servers and the app just like Scott does, but with no banners...  They just do it as a hoby, not as a business, so it's not as polished (the guy that started MaG did it as a project to help get him in a good college).   The list goes on...

My point being is that if he is doing it out of the goodness of his heart, he doesn't have to be the occasional dick about it.  And I'm not talking about banning someone for telling him to fuck his mother up the ass.... I'm talking about when he's just been plain old rude or a jerk.  There are things he could do to make GR better if he listened to the user base (ie, put updates on the web site... announce scheduled down times... maybe even an explaination for those long down times (you know, when it was down for two weeks, and when it came up it was like nothing ever happened.. no notice, no apology, no nothing).  Basically, if he was doing this out of the goodness of his heart, he would care about the users a bit more... wanting to improve.

Hell, he got angry at me for asking about OS X support 10 months after it was announced.... now, he probably hears that question 100 times a day, but if he botherd to update the news on the web site, then maybe it would solve his problem and he wouldn't get pissy at me the first time I've ever asked.

Damn grifter. What did you get in english. I bet your teacher never complained about elaboration.

Not really a buisness Grifter, considering that it loses him money, yes, he gets money for the adds, and also, some companys will pay him a little money to make their games playable on gameranger. Overall though, he loses money, And I can't defend Scott on everything, somtimes he's a little odd, Once you get to know him though, he's real cool.

-Typhy

I type like Grifter, and I'm what half Grifters age? Triple?


Typhy, I'm sure Kevill makes money through other ways besides GR. Maybe it's the money he gets from the Fan Club you have started for him...

Typhy, most businesses lose money for the first few years. ?It's part of the business model. ?Look at Amazon.com... that isn't a business? ?The only businesses that make money in the first six months (as a rule of thumb) are bars.

The reason I say business is because he's trying to make it one.  He works hard at polishing it so that the game companies will pay him like they do now... I'm sure he wants this to be a money making business in the future.  Everyone else I mentioned (Mauti, Greybeard, Gravedigger, etc) are all doing it just out of a love for Mac's and gaming... no idea of ever making money off it.

Cossak, my english teachers hated me. ?And I learned to elaborate because of one mother tough Physics Professor. ?Only A+ I got from this guy, my lab report included everything up to the time I left to take a piss. ?My english teachers hadted me due to my spelling. ?I suck at it.

Asterax, I'm thinking you are 15 or older, which would make you under half my age (I'm not quite 30 yet)

Yeah, must have stunk to pre-date the spell checker, I know I certainly wouldn't have made it through English class without it.  Either way you were probably graduating college around the time I was starting real school (Junior High).  Can't really remember when I started having spell checking.

For my high school graduation, one of the presents I got was a typewritter that had spell check on it...  It would beep at me every time I spelled a word wrong.  It was a Smith and Corona Correct Writer.  It still sucked though compared to the computers.  When I was in college, the Mac 2's were out, and I eventually picked up the ColorClassic for myself.  But I finished off my English classes as a freshman, and didn't have the computers to help me with spell checking at that time.  

And the spell check dictionaries still sucked for Chemistry and Physics (my major and one of my minors as an undergrad).  With spell check now, it's no wonder that so many people younger then me can't spell worth a damn... they never really learned how.

yea, spelling is my problem too i can also eaborate like hell, and make good arguments when i want to(i got 11 points off on my term paper
10 were becouse i forgot to include a rough draft
my issue is just a matter of wanting to

My problem is that I am always right to the point so I can't right for length.  And it seems that doesn't just create problems for English teachers.  Why write in 50 words what you can write in 10.

If you were always RIGHT, you would have said you can't WRITE for lenght...  just for one example ;)

Ok, I KNOW that was modified. ?Either way, you changed the context for your reply.  BTW, did I ever mention that I'm dyslexic?

ok, ?we will test bondos assertion...
which side of the screen is the line on?




;D[/color]

Curse you and your trick questions.  You wouldn't know the answer if you didn't have them written on that card.

*quickly hides the 3x5 notecard*
card?, what card? i dont have a card ;)

No Bondo, nobody modified your post... I saw it and jumped on the chance.  Ace, Wrath and I only modify each others posts now and then because it's an even fight... and then we'd never point it out.... it's less funny that way.

Where as you have made two nice slips in the past few days... which is much more fun to catch and make fun of =P

So Grifter, you make fun of a dyslexic person for switching words. ?Do you also enjoy a laugh when someone on crutches falls? ?Do you laugh at a mentally retarded person for failing to speak properly (we've seen proof of this on the forums as well)? ?Do you laugh at a sheep while it is being raped? ?You are a bad, bad man Grifter.

BTW Grifter, you do realize that your joke is just stupid seeing as I said I'm right to the point, not that I'm right.  Extremely different meanings.

My gay teacher complained about elaboration on a book report yestarday..she gave me a fucking 75 "you retold too much of the story john"

yea, book reports sucked
it was always walking a fine line between not giving away the book, and writing enough so that they knew you read the book.
opinion papers on books  are a different matter, those are easy

Actually, I laugh and joke about everything, especially myself.  I make fun of the last time I fell on crutches all the time.

LOL, ok, I'm calling you on that one Bondo... prove that I laugh at mentally retarded people (or make fun of them), for failing to speak correctly.  I've called Spazzy a TARDO... which is making fun of an idiot.  When Spazzy tried to claim offense at the use of the word, I argued that the word isn't bad, especially when directed at Spazzy... so you go find it you tard.

Really... but it cheesed you off.... so I guess it served a purpose.  It's called a play on words nim-whit.  More proof to your paranoid ass that it wasn't modified I would think....

Lol you both make me laugh hehe

"Kinder seid's nicht so unreif"

Try it here if you don't understand the meaning: www.freetranslation.com (the translation sucks but maybe you get an idea what I wrote  ;)

Mauti, ever thought about adding a "Spell Checker" feature to the forums? It might clean up some of the terrible misspellings I see everyday in posts.

so true mauti, so true

Haha!  Ich verstande!

8)

Who cares ?? That is his business!!?Typhy get your nose outta his ass ?it stinks!! Jesus!!

Nice Mauti  ;D

can you add a |?K| checker also, that would clean a few things up on the forums, and posibly prevent grifter from getting into more flame wars, thereby adding to his grossly inhuman amount of posts   ;D ;D
jk grift we wubs you

Bah, Grifter's isn't inhumane, he's been around as a moderator since the forums opened and he still only has a pathetic 1050, I on the other hand have been on less than a year and have a massive 1260.  Give me another month or so and I'll have equaled my SAT score.

LMAO Bondo... I haven't been around or a moderator since the forums began.  

Let me use the magic forums info and correct you...

It is correct that you haven't been a member for a year yet... that doesn't happen for another 4 days.  You became a member on June 9th, I became a member on May 23rd... that would be a whole what... 16 days longer that I've been posting over you??  Come on man, get the facts right, don't slant them.

you write that shit down on a calender grift????? ;D ;D ;D
i'm glad i'm to lazy and unorganized to write things down on a calender, or else i might be horibly depressed
ps, i got a 1200 on my SATs after a long night of partying and boozing, and 4 hours of sleep

Grift, I became a member on that date, but I didn't start posting until August of last year.

I became a member some time in the past, and i started posting, um now... uh yeah... uh
jeb
ps. say no to drugs but drugs don't listen  8)
pss. is it true that the  8) smily face is smok'n a spliff?????????

Bondo, I'm saying get the facts right, you slant everything...

Jeb, if you click on a member's name, you get their profile.... which includes the date they became a member.

Yes, but Grifter,  I suppose you slant nothing.  Balance is in the eye of the beholder.  I was talking about the time we have been posting.  But this is just another example where you decide you need to try to prove me wrong for no reason.  Especially since I wasn't wrong about how long I've been posting.  Maybe I should start pointing out every single time you make any type of mistake, see how you like it, but no, I don't care that much.  Just chill out Grifter.

that would be very boring job bondo...mb you could give the job to jeb instead(he has time to burn)?
and if you want a definitave answer to this, go back and find bondo's first post that will give you the definative date

Grifter, i'm a forum noob so... i didn't know about the name clicking business...
also i will whore myself out to this forum while i'm banned ;)
jeb
ps. i'm doing this probono

I have plenty of reason Bondo... first among them is you are a dumbass, which is reason enough....

BTW, you also said I was around and have been a moderator since the forums opened, and since you made incorrect statements that included me, why the hell shouldn't I correct them...?

I never said you were wrong to point out my mistake there, I said you were stupid to attempt to tell me, when I started posting because I know better than you do.  And no matter how many times you call me a dumbass, I won't be one, but you will become more of a fool.

Simmer down fellas, why can't us forum whores get along? ??? ??? ???

jeb, can you plz go find bondos first post, and tell us when it was.
at least then we can end this...

uh...

BLOW ME!!!!!!!


;)  :o

I, the Resident Ass, hereby bestow upon ye title of Dumbass.

My statement goes for you as well Ace.

hey bondo, with ace being the resident ass, he only needs to do it once

and jep, the reason i ask you is that you have a newfound abundance of free time, no?(if you dont, stop whineing about being bored)

Last time I checked one is a number of times, so my statement stands.

that is true, but ace wont become much of a fool because the process you implied was iterative, the more he does it, the more of a fool he becomes

since he is the resident ass, he only needs to call you a dumbass once, and therfore is spared becoming a massive fool like you claim grifter to now be

Brain, don't try to argue logic with Bondo, his brain just isn't wired correctly... modus ponens wouldn't make any sense to him, let alone modus tolens.

You are right Grifter, I don't speak latin.

i bet u didnt know it costs around $400 a month to advertise on GR... just thought u should know

Nor do I Bondo... But those are logic terms I'm pretty sure that Brain knows... and which you don't speak either.

i prefer modus twobyfourus, the method of writing it on a 2X4 and then smacking them right  between the eyes with it ;)

i'm outa free time now, just got outa school, i got alot of partys to go to, be back in a few days...
btw about the calling people asses i have a qoute...
"ye whom smelt it, delt it"
there you go, hope i'm safe
jeb

I speak Latin and I really didn't think it had to much to do with Logic...


Well, Tempus Fugit...

Just in the names Asterax... just in the names. ?Modus Tolens and Modus Polens are names of two of the simple logical arguments... that's all.

If you ever heard If p then q, p, therefore q, that is modus polens... put in text it's If George Washington was President, he was an American. ?George Washington was President. ?Therefore, George Washington was an American. ?Simple basic first week logic class stuff... ?There are a whole bunch of them... Modus Tolens is just disproving the opposite... etc etc etc.

And Brain, I can tell you go to MTU with that attitude =P ?If it doesn't fit force it, if it breaks, it needed replacment anyway... if not, it was a design flaw... ?But the 2x4 therom does bring some amout of pleasure with it... ?for the guy holding it anyway.

Grifter, I know how to set up logical arguments with premises and conclusion like you talk about there.  I just haven't heard it called by the latin name.

I'd have to agree with the insane one, errr..I mean Bondo. How's 8/48 hours of sleep feeling? ;-)

I actually got 7 hours of sleep yesterday morning, but I got 3 today before waking up for the England match so that should bring the average back down.  18 in 96 isn't too many ;).

actually i got that from a joke i head once

there was a farmer who had a stubbon mule, and every day the farmor would curse it out  for not moving
one day while this was going on, a salesperson from the city was driving by. the salesman stopped the car, got out ant came up to the fence and said 'that isnt the way to do it, you need to talk gently to it" the farmer aggreed to let him try, think that that was a total load of bull
the sales man hops over the fence, and begins to talk softly to the donkey, after about 5 min. of not having any success the salesman goes back to to his trunk, pulls out a 2X4 and smacks the donkey smartly right between the eyes, the then starts to talk to the donkey softly again, the donkey immeadatly started to move

the farmer was amazae. he said" wow that was great, but why did you use the 2X4?, i thought just talking softly would do it"
the salesman replied, "sometimes you need to get their attention first"

i do like the phylosophy though, have to remember that one...

Yeah Grifter I've got to agree with Bondo on that one.

They teach you those theorems in Geometry....but don't call them by ridiculous names until you go to wherever the hell you went to college.

we used the latin names in logic proofs last year in sequential 2...  i don't remember much, but i remember using modus tollens and maybe modus ponens (i think we called that something else)

p.s. the same thing that happend to the other Scott and GR thread is happening here :D (going off topic)

Loud, I first learned them (and the names of the proofs) in High School. ?They were also repeated in logic and philosophy classes (Western Michigan University and University of Michigan). ?BTW, my wife teaches the proper names in her Geometry class still (she doesn't test on it, but uses the terms). ?What is the educational system coming to these days. ?Tell me you still call it Avagadro's number... and they tell you who he was.... or that you learned all about the Pathagoreans (sp?) as a cult... ?at least tell me you all learned how to make a 3 rail bank shot from watching Donald Duck in Math Magic Land. ?For the love of God, what do they teach anymore?!

The reason we learned them is... since you know you can use other proofs inside a big proof... once you get down to the little things, you could use shorthand and just say "modus tolens" instead of writing it all out (since modus tolens was already proven). ?

In the Logic class, we did have to memorize them.

BTW, since the point was missed, it's not that I thought Bondo wouldn't recognize the names... it was the arguments themselves that I didn't think he'd recognize.

Asterax... you say that like you'd expect more then 4 hours a night??

Ah, you guys actually sleep more then 4 hours a night...  now I understand why people may think I don't do anything but RS or here... they actually spend their valuable time sleeping... silly me.  

Honestly... if I get more then 5 hours, I can't function.  4.5 a night does me great. In bed by 1am, at work by 6am.  About once every two weeks.. get a nice 10 hour power sleep to recharge the batteries... and it's all good.

i still call it avagrados number(actually most of the time i say 6.022X10^23)
Avogadro was a scientistin the ?16 to 17th century famous for avagrados law, in other words, equal volums of gasses under equal perssure and pressure will contain an equal number of molicules(yes, i did that from memory, feel free to make any comments about my non existant life)
yes, i knew the pathogreans were a cult, and if memory serves, they were obsessed with the golden mean and it's relationship to the world they lived in
wasn't the parthenon built to to that ratio?
and yes, thet movie is where i first saw the 3 rail bank shot, still cant make that shot ?for shit in real life though...

oh, let's see if i remember the logical falacies<sp>
argumentum ad hominem
post hoc ergo propter hoc
non sequiter
beg the question
circular reasioning
over simplificatation
false dillemma
false analogy
equivocation
hasty generalization
circular reasoning

let's see how many of these have been used in the past 2 days, another thing i learned from that movie is that, there is a number that high ;)

In HS I remember one English class where the highlights were Monty Python and Simpsons episodes, but that's about it.

We watched Holy Grail in conjunction with Cantebury Tales and watched a Star Trek episode to learn building arguements.