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Tommorrow is Sept. 11th, For anyone who reads tis thread take a moment of silence and pray for the familys that had people die and Pray for this not to happen again and Pray for Osama Bin Laden to be killed and humped on National T.V.

Mattster, you are no better than Usama bin Laden if you wish anyone to be killed and raped.

Bondo's right... Killed, ok, but one of the US Constitution Amendments address cruel and unusual punishments... The founding fathers knew what they were doing... Years ahead of their time!

Besides, who would ever wanna see any guy get humped by another guy... And Bondo, in advance, you lie if you say you do...

Ben

Nice, right thread for the times....wrong person to write it.  Anyway they should drop him off in the middle of time square =)

I'm really a very passive person but I always imagined it would be quite funny to punish Osama Bin Laden by duct taping him to a telephone pole in NYC and giving the mob remote control airplanes with which they could beat him to death. Then again I think that falls under the "unusual" category. Does anyone else wonder how the US would punish him if he were to be captured? I have no clue. And Bondo, I don't mean to sound savage or anything but considering what Bin Laden did to not only those killed but their familes, I wouldn't give a damn if he were to be killed and raped.  EGAD, I'm starting to go redneck on everyone. I better go.

As much as I love to devise torturous, hilarious punishments for Bin Laden as the rest of you, please keep this thread a little more respectful. A thread about remembering the people who perished on Sept 11 isn't exactly the right place for humor.

Ace is absolutely right. As much as I have devised horrific ways of torture for the bastard, I think that we need to take time to remember those lost on that tragic day.

This is what terrorism does. It kills people. We have a couple memorilas happening down here. I might go up this weekend to NYC to my homw and attend some memorials there. My best freind's aunt was killed in the towers so I may hang around him.

 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/rambo.gif) Well if anyone wonders why they don't see me on-line that munch anymore it's because i re-joined the service. I am training at the national guard base in Massachuettes. From what they are saying here, are team might be going to war with iraq. (if it happens, which it most likey will) well this blows... i just got on-line and i have to go, we only have 1 hour to our slef's. oh yea and this Friday i will be 31!!  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_bluh.gif)  for you info i was in the Marines for 5 years. I have had hand to hand combat, expert weapon combat, and expert vehicle training in: Tanks, APC, and Hummers. well if we go to war with iraq wish me luck... doubt i will need it tho... got to go now it's 10:00 LIGHTS OUT!!! BAH!!!   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/uzi.gif)

Lol Snake, 10:00 oclock, lights out! I was in the Navy many years ago, I too am 31. I remember those days of Boot Camp and all that jizz. Well yes we will go to war with Iraq, and it is the right thing to do. Just think, if we dont and in 2 years they drop a nuke on somebody, everyone will say ?where was the USA and how did this happen?? So good luck in your battles, stick a bullet in someones head for me.

Peace bro,

Kilzo

Good luck Snake and I hope you live through this war and return to the DAMN community with some good war stories. Best of luck.

I believe snake meant to say 22:00 hours, but who is checking?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/icon_bluh.gif)

Anyway, the only story snake would probably be able to tell if we go to war with Iraq is how peacekeeping missions blow. He probably wont see much combat time considering that the first wave will be Tomahawk strikes, followed by air bombardment (FA-18 Hornets,  F-15E Strike Eagles, AC-130 gunships, A-10 Warthogs, and Harrier VTOL Jets). If and when we land troops on the ground, it will be mostly an armor battle considering the desert region - but then again our tanks will probably just run over the Iraqi soldiers seeing that the cannons on the A-10's will rip the Iraqi armor to shreds.

I salute you snake for serving this country once again, and if you get called up to active duty overseas, I will tell my cousins to look over you guys (fighter pilots for Air Force and Navy).

Back on topic: Never forget 9/11/01. It is burned in me for the rest of my life and I hope our retribution will be swift and very painful for our opposition.

lmao assassin, that is about the way it's going to happen... but i am scheduled to go into iraq right after we bomb the shit out of em. and mark my words...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/rambo.gif) i am going postal with my team, we all agreed to fire first and ask questions later. if you know what i mean... * wink wink * OMG this blows... lights out again.... * sigh * I'll try and keep every one posted on my status in the base over here. but once i go off to fight thats that... o and by the way, if i should die i instructed my friend to come on-line and tell every one. but that will not happen, i made it through the first gulf war i can make it through a second. the iraqies are so funny... they see marines and they surrender, or the funniest part was when a US tank rolled in, they all jumped out of the cheep soviet tanks. i think we are going to war with iraq in about 1 to 3 weeks...  they are deffintally planing to go to war if they do not let weapon inspectors in. i'll see if i can take some pictures of some shit here and in iraq.  ;D

Back to topic: We had a 21 gun salute in the base today. few guys were crying because they had some family in the trade center. Those bastards will pay for what they done.

 I'm tired of war, and I'm tired of death. I think the only real solution for all the resentment torwards the US is to try and address the people instead of the leaders... and cultural diffusion. I know we can't always change the way people think and what they believe in, but we could at least try something else besides/along with war. I strongly believe sometimes war is necessary.. but the way we're going about this is all wrong. I'm glad we liberated so many people under the oppression of the Taliban and I'm glad that we're not forgetting what terrorism did to our nation but at the same time I think that avenging death with more death isn't going to be the thing that saves us in the end. This hegemony and US assertion needs to be rethought.

Here comes the "cookie, you stupid hippie" response. I just know I'm going to get battered about this post.

Ace, haven't you ever heard the quote "If you can't laugh at life, what can you laugh at?" In my mind, part of getting over (not forgetting, but accepting) 9/11 is having the ability to make a joke about it. Not an insult about those who died, an insult about the agressors... Just seems logical, thats all...

Cookie you stupid hippie....

Joking about the stupid part... Maybe you are a hippie though, haven't met you... Now to the main part of the post...

The nation is divided, and I do believe most agree with you cookie... Cept for Bush... Myself, I do hope we get to war against Iraq. It's so sad that only a year ago WE declared war on terrorism, than a year later, everyone either forgets, or doesn't care... Granted, you should live life normal, you should accept it, but it seems to me people are forgetting. Remember what you guys felt the week it happenned... I sure do... There was a fire in my soul that is inexplainable.  It was strong and it was easy to interprate: Justice must be done, a sort of comaradare came over me. Frankly, now that it's been over for a year, it seems everyone lost that sence, myself included. If we had it back, we would fight. What would bring it back? Another attack! Do we really want this? I sure hope not.

I've heard so many people call the war on terrorism "The War on Afghanistan". In no way is it this. We were trying to help the Afgani people, but wage war on the terrorist. Does a War on terrorism mean we stop after one country? We all forgot the main reason we are fighting this war. If Bush waged war on Iraq the week after 9/11 last year, all you would be in total support. I would be too... I am in support of it, if you can't tell by my crappy persuasion post,  and I believe most people should back this country up.

Ben

Thats true everyone seems to forget the war on terrorism. Just the other day in history we were talking about the fighting in Afghanistan and future fighting in Iraq and one person didn't even know that fighting was still going on in the middle East. They said that we went in there so many times I thought it was over. Everyone has a fire in them a certain dedication then they just give up, people cared about what was happening and then one day just closed their eyes and pretended it never happened.

In a way its denial Hazard. Some people can't face the truth of it. Hard to believe that a 3rd world country harboring an army of terrorists could execute a plan for 2,500+ deaths using an object we never really saw as a weapon. I just finished watching a documentary made by CBS on how small packages of uranium can make it past U.S. customs. The investigative team borrowed nontoxic depleted uranium from a lab, packaged it in a carry on suitcase, and took it across 7 nations borders (including those nations customs stations) in the Middle East ending their journey in Turkey. There they packaged the uranium as if it was bieng packaged by terrorists and sent it in a shipment with Turkish horse carts to America. The uranium came to U.S. Customs and the shipping crate was scanned 3 times by their machines. The CBS team didn't inform customs on their ivestigative test because they wanted to see just how easy it was to smuggle "dirty bombs" into the U.S.  Customs completely missed the packaged uranium even after extensive x-ray and radioactive scans. The package ended up at its destination in downtown New York near the harbor port authority.

Now you tell me how safe we are.....I don't give a damn if we have all the fucking firepower in the world. When a 1 pound package of uranium (large enough to tear apart NY if made into a bomb) can just slip by customs so easily, means we have A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT to fix.

It's not just destroying Bin Laden and all who follow him. We need to insure that we're doing all we can to prevent another attack. That means people at home keeping each other safe, and our soldiers abroad keeping our freedom, ideals, and way of life safe. It will be hard to teach everyone in our country the urgency of our situation. But in the end we will have shown that freedom, determination, and unity will always prevail.

I pray for the men and women who protect us during this time of uncertainty. I wish you well Snipe and all the soldiers who will be fighting for America's people. For America's Freedom. For America's Pride. For those who died on September 11th, 2001. And for all those who have sacrificed their life protecting what we cherish most.

God Bless America. God Bless its People. Long live Freedom and Liberty. Remember that on this day of remembrance. That although we live our lives day to day not knowing what happens next, our humanity and unity will strengthen us beyond anyones imagination.

I love the USA.

That's a VERY good point. Why doesn't the government also find a way to increase our security without infriging on our freedoms... First of all I wanna say this

Benjamin Franklin said something to this effect:
"If a person is willing to give up freedom for security, he deserves neither."

Freedom is what America is made of and for.  No chance in hell I would let America take my liberties away. However, this does not mean they can't defend us. Right now America's doing a crappy job at that. Has anyone else read How could this happen and American Jihad? These two books go in depth about the organizations of terrorists in America. Yes, the terrorists are here, and are being funded by us going under the guises of charities. Hell, Bin Laden's even suspected to have come to the United States at one point...

One story in American Jihad is where a reporter (Steve Emerson, the man who wrote the book) walked into a terrorist meeting... An FBI agent was speaking there... The FBI agent thought it was some sort of rally, it was a terrorist meeting... They held it in public and passed out Down with America flyers, and the FBI agent was powerless to do anything about it... Why? America's freedoms...

Just some food for thought right there...

(Yes this post did just take a 180 degree turn... Do not take my freedoms but the freedoms that protect the terrorists...)

Ben

I'd say Ben Franklin is perhaps the wisest American in history (and yes I do consider him American...Albert Einstien wasn't American so I didn't really consider him).

I don't think the way to prevent terrorism is to become more safe here...it is to not be such a nosy country trying to sort everything in the world out.  If we left these countries alone, they would leave us alone.  We can easily get rid of our use of their oil and thus not care about them that way.

The thing I REALLY don't get is what is with Christians, Jews, and Muslims and that area.  Great, important things happened there...but it was thousands of years ago...get over it.  When you get down to it, the whole area is just a shitty geographic location.  Some places have oil and can get by on that, but prospects aren't very good due to lack of water.

I know they wouldn't but if I were a leader of Israel I'd just say to hell with this spot and I'm sure they could all move to the US.  The Muslims and the Middle East could then be completely ignored and they would leave us alone.

The same goes with somewhere like Columbia where our war on drugs could lead to terrorism or war.  Those are far worse than stupid people in America getting drugs and dying.  How about they just forget about it and let them do what they want with the country.  Instead of being militarily involved in these struggling countries, we should just help established worldwide organizations that go in and provide food, medicine, etc. to needy (not the rich leaders of the countries like we currently give stuff to), and not try to put our name all over it.

With the threats removed rather than just being gaurded against, we can keep our freedoms or perhaps as I would have it, actually have all of the liberties we should.  (For the record, owning a car that gets less than 20 mpg isn't a liberty we should have and probably that should be bumped up to 30 mpg...not that my car gets that much).

Why those freedoms Ben are put there so America doesn't become a facist state.  I mean i would hand out down with America flyers if America started, say, commiting genocide on the jewish population. The founding fathers made those freedoms so the people could react if the government became out of control.  Yes there is a down side in that even the red neck member of the KKK can publish his book and have his show on access tv, but hey that is the nature of  democracy. (Dont get me started on America and democracy)

I know LM, it's just so sad to know the freedoms that were built to protect the people hurt the people, and as I said earlier, I won't let anyone take my freedoms from me. So I'm not saying it's necessary to be changed right away, but mainly pointing out how sad the fact is that those we are conducting war on can hold public meetings that says "Down with America"...

Ben

Bondo...

It's not that easy. They all have religious roots in that region and its very important to their beliefs. Most of their history is there and thats why they protect/defend it. Think of this bondo. Tell me what the world would be like right now had we not been nosy. You'd probably say that Sept. 11 would have never happened. That's denying the inevitable. They don't hate us because we mettle. They hate us because we support thier enemy Israel and because we are the "center of sin". Most of the civilians there did not have tv, radio, etc. So when their schools and government taught them to hate us, they had no way of knowing different. As for going into Afghanistan...we had every right. The northern alliance (Anti-Taliban) was begging for our help and it was right of us to do so. We helped them rid Afghanistan of Al-Queda while in the process hunting down those responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

As for the drug war on Columbia....what a hoax.

Bondo,

Your idea has been tried....
   
Think of it like this - WW2, the Nazi's are invading Europe, Japanese are invading the pacific and  France, along with other countries have been invaded by the Germans and England is being pounded like mad.

In the beginning of WW2, The U.S stated that we were to be nutral and let Europe handle the problem. Russia, England, and France are pretty mad that we won't get involved, saying that we will have to fight the Nazi's eventually.

Although, during WW2, we were shipping weapons and ammunition to our allies, it wasn't enough, they needed help.

We thought if we just stayed out of the War, it wouldn't come to us... December 4, 1941, Pearl Harbor, we were bombed relentlessly by the Japanese and we were forced into WW2.

It just goes to show you that if you ignore the problems of the world, the problems we will still come to us.

Actually, there is a significant difference between WWII and what I was talking about...prior to WWII we were completely isolationist...we didn't give money to help other countries.

Also, in the case of Japan and Germany, they were attacking other countries and invading...in those instances we can help out (through UN).  It is the internal country struggles that we need to stay out of.

Also, I understand that Israel isn't about to leave that area...but can you really deny that if they left, things would get much quieter?

No things wouldn't get quieter. They would only turn on each other. But you have to understand that a lot of countries in the Middle East desire our military and our support. The Saudis gladly welcome us because they know we would protect them and help them during a war. The Turkish gladly accept our military because they know that we are a powerful country and would quickly repel any attack. The Israelis enjoy having us and being our ally because we've been with them ever since their country was formed. We depend (lightly) on their economy and they depend heavily on ours. Isolationism is a load of crap. Think about this. When our economy collapsed during the 1920's and 1930's the entire world economy fell too. That was one of the contributors to the start of World War II. Everyone depends heavily on us. Almost all the countries owe us some sort of debt. Its not because we were nosy. It's because they wanted us there.

Bondo, you were talking about if we leave things alone, they will get better.

i think you missed my point, i was making a comparison among the 2. WW2 we tried to leave things alone, while people in Europe and in the Pacific were being killed.

Being Isolated from the problems, caused way more problems toward us. So now the U.S feels that we should try to prevent the problems before they get way out of control.

The Osama Bun Laden thing was a joke, God do u guys have a sense of humor? and Bondo is Osoama not Usama.

Nope, you still didn't get it right there, Matt.

Mattster, I don't use the moronic American press to get my information.  The arabic news channel Al Jazera (spelled phonetically not correctly) spells it Usama...I think I'll trust them.  Please don't stupidly correct other's spellings when they aren't wrong.

could we bann mattster from the forum?

 Bondo is correct, the spelling of his name is Usama. Looking back to the start of this thread, I would agree that anytime someone starts a thread about somthing like 9/11, it should be treated with respect wether you agree with the comments made or not, and no, Mattster's first comment was not respect.

Regards,
Deadlock

I got a message for Snake. You are mad at WTC. I am mad. I lived in a m9idtown apartment during the attacks. You said you are gonna have a fire and forget attitude about this war??? Remeber that those Iraqi soldiers did not drive the plane into the WTC. Most of them are conscripts!!!! Dont go into Iraq like Germans killing surrenedering soldiers. That is against the Geneva Convention and against what you are fighting for. As for the war with Iraq. I have mixed feelings. I will tell you what I am for first off. I am cocnerned that Sudaam will drop a nuke on NYC and kill my family. I am paranoid as hell. Then again if you do an attack on Iraq it will be considered aggression. You broke the treaty. Especially if the U.N. does not approve. Then we will be hypocrites because we attack them claiming that they broke a UN regulation or decree (whatever the fuck you want to call it). After Iraq who else? Somalia? This is what Hitler did and all the other powers let him go. This is called appeasement except this time Bush is Hitler. Then after Somalia who will it be? Maybe you will attack Russia because we supported Iran. Hell if you do that I will nuke Washington. So where does this war on Terror stop? Does it stop in Iraq, or does it stop in North Korea? Will it stop when America is in ashes from a third World War? The action against Iraq is a good action, but I see no need to go beyond Iraq. Also remeber his Snake. This war wont only be in the Desert. It will be in the Euphrates River Valley. Although your bomber will probablly shit them up there is always guerilla warfare. Another big thing to worry about is this. Sadaam knows he is dead. He may release all the chemical weapons he has. So be careful snake. War is not a thing to be taken lightly, and most of all try to be humane. Dont rape Iraqi women dont shoot surrendering soldiers and dont be a gestapo asshole. Do not be a thug.

Yes It has been just over a year now from that tragic day where about 2,000 americans lost there lives from terror

A long time ago hitler was always scared of one thing: Russians

he aculy thought that if the russians would be to capture him, they would put him in a zoo, you know with monkeys and other animals

Well l8ly with this whole saddam thing they have shown some nasty stuff.  Saddam had thosands of tapes of recorded mass executions of his people in his many palaces.  Dont you find that cruel ?? Unusual?? hell if that douchebag walked up to my house ina few years asking for a slice of bread id bring out a piece of bread and than throw in at the accact time that he reaches out to my bread and throw it at my dog than id slam his nuts flat with a slug hammer and cut off his penis and many other things

I say fuck saddam, ossama and all the other doucebags harboring in those fucking 3rd and 4th world shit bag countries

Fuck them

-SK

As i was sitting in a boring hotel room in bend oregon on september 11th i watched a chilling report on dateline (or some other news show).
They wanted to see how hard it would be to get weapons grade plutonium into the united states.
They traveled by train through at least 10 european countrys with the plutonium in a suitcase without getting checked. then in turkey they shiped it to newyork. The plutonium made it safely into newyork, The container was never checked for it.
they also mentioned that its believed that terrorists have plutonium in the US already. Plus Bin Laden has said that the Nuclear Bomb is the most important weapon he could use against the US.

Makes me wish i lived in canada  :(

Executions of his own people is none of our buisness. Hell China executes millions off their own people cruel and unussually. Lets go to war against them. That is not a diplomatic excuse.

 Cossack, I think that something like that falls most under the "Human Rights" part of things, the executions of people in inhumain ways or reasons is not a reason to attack a country. I don't know what the message that you recieved from Snake is, but I'd have to agree that if you're going against the Iraqi government ( i.e, Sadam ), then the way to go about that is to directly target the Iraqi government. Not go about with invading Iraq and fighting with their army. A full scale invasion of Iraq or anything close to that would be totaly unaceptable, I see the idea that of course to do anything there, you have to get in through the boarders, ( Yes, I do get information from the moronic American press ) getting more bases set up in Iraq does not require anymore than 10,000 soilders. From there, you would be able to run Covert Opperations into the country. At this point though, I think that what the U.S needs to work on is making some friends in that part of the world, our closes allie ( if you can call it that ) over there is Egypt, and they've clearly stated that they will not support a war against Iraq, Bush and the rest of the U.S has to understand that they can't take on the world, and that we don't want the whole middle east against us, make some allies over there before you go in and make more enimeys by attacking Iraq. - Sorry if this is stupid, it's late, I'm tired.

Regards,
Deadlock

I do agree with you, Cossack, on most points...

Sk, it isnt the executions that we will be going to war for. From what i have heard, it is because Saddam is supposely hiding tons of chemical weapons and is unwilling to allow the U.S. to send weapons inspectors to fully inspect his arsenal.

and another thing Sk, i am glad someone like you isnt president, or we would have had a nucular war already

I saw that report Jebby!

Anyway, Pyrex, you're half right about the support thing. We support Turkey, that's for sure... When it comes to this though, they are currently neutral... Not supportings us..

Cossack and Snake, I just wanted to point out that Saddam has all his military bases in largely populated areas... If anything goes out of hand, America will take the heat for killing civilians. That, in my mind, is the worst possible way this war can go..

Did anyone see Powell on NBC yesterday morning? He sounded, at first, sure of himself... By the end of the report he was swaying back and forth. More unsure... If I were Suddam I'd be jumping all over that. I'd just allow the military inspectors in and move my stockpiled weapon from base to base as they check, so they won't find my stockpile... Just seems the logical course of action. What do you all predict happenning next?

Ben

No doubt about it. Iraq is gonna get invaded. That isnt going to change, Bush wants to take out Iraq ( to avenge his dad probablly). But what about a post Iraq? Really the attack on Iraq is fool hardy without any international support. FYI Egypt will support US in attack on Iraq IF the U.N. supports it. If the U.N. does not support it then we are as bad as Iraq is. We will go to war claiming that Iraq broke U.N. law Geneva Convention e.t.c.

Jeb...

LOL...try reading previous posts...I explained that whole thing befor you did.

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Good point Cossack, I say though, that if the UN won't back us in going into there, then we shouldn't go in, just as simple as that. That goes back to what I was saying about making friends over there, not more enimeys. We should be thinking on a larger scale rather than "They might have weapons of mass destruction, let's go blow the shit out of them and find out". In a way it's like a game of Risk, just because you have the continent of Europe taken over, and 40 troops on each of your borders doesn't mean that you you go piss of the 3 guys around you by invading Asia and Africa because you think that they might be a threat, before you know it, you'll have more peole than you can immagin after you. I don't know if you can relate or make a connection with  this expmple, but just try and think about it. We need to patch things up over there and reestablish who our friends are over there before we go making more enimeys.

Regards,
Deadlock