*DAMN R6 Forum

OK people im gonna give everyone some choices and u reply with the one word answer. This is the question.

Based on SKILL, what is the best active RS clan?

1) Cunt
2) |?k|
3) +-KoS-+
4) ?OoA?
5) SECT
6) AgT

I can only say, look at the ladder.

why not give it a rest reb?
i hate to tell you this, but i dont think that you are having any effect on anyone.[/color]

Currently 3, overall 2.

I think you left out a few.

7.  SKUL
8.  janitors
9.  DAMN

I think those are by far the best clans ever in any arena, any game, etc.

:D ;D 8)

Based on skill i'd go with OoA

The best clan would be TAF (no offence Brain had to poke fun of TAF), seriously though I would have to agree with jeb and go with OoA. Why dont you KoS guys cb OoA

OoA is good, However, I don't know how you can put them over us when we beat them, personaly I think that AK and KoS are both better than OoA.

lmao, leave it to Typh to vote for his own clan, that is just lame(btw, where is ak on the bl now???)...anyhOOt...my vote will have to go to KoS(as much as i would like to say my clan). Not to many clans out there go that extra mile to call there teamates by phone to cb another clan.

7) *NADS

oh yea! we own, you know it! we got the ranking to show it!

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(sorry, had an urge to spam. SECT scares me, they always seem to be owning.)

I'm going to have to say SECT, they are just plain good. Their teamwork is amazing, being of mostly ex-SWAT it's no surprise. Oso, Civeron, and Grifter just own.

Voods, I didn't vote for my clan, I said that I think that AK and KoS are better than OoA, Sect is very good, KoS is very good, AK is very good, For now I'd have to say, Look at the ladder.

typhy, take some time to play with OoA, they can own far past what you and your trainees could ever think of

 I think KoS, SECT, OoA and AK are the best clans out there...but I miss Swat  ;)

I agree with this, I think that really is who the top 4 are. In what order I don't really know.

No offense to OoA, but until they CB, they won't be considered one of the best by me.  We finally have the BL working fantastically and the point system is just excellent, so the ladder truly is an indication of ability.

Agreed, Part of being the best clan is getting to the top of the ladder, not just beating top clans a few times.

until the BL has a challenge system, I don't think it is a true indication of ability. No doubt the top clans have skill, but anyone can get in the top 4 by CBing people below their level. I mean look at SECT, they are getting the most attention in this thread and they aren't even at the top. OR in the top 4.

    I'm intrigued; what do you mean by a challenge system? I'm pretty sure I'm not understanding your meaning precisely, so an explanation would be much appreciated. : )

But people aren't turning down CBs that much as far as I can tell.  SECT isn't CBing (MoH:AA whores now ;)) so they aren't up there and IMO then can't be considered one of the best.  Sorry but we have to find some means of choosing who is the best and there is no better than the ladder.  OoA isn't CBing at all so they have offered no means for comparison.

The top clans are KoS, AgT, AK, STFU, and DAf.  It is as simple as that and it will change.

I was going to stay out of this... but I have to just rope in some of you....

Rebel's comment was based upon SKILL, not how often you CB...

Which is still one thing that the BL doesn't base things upon Bondo... if I CB 5 times as much as you do... and win about half of them, I can still have more points then you at the end, even if you win all yours.... ?So while I agree that the ladder is working better, and it is the truest test.. it wasn't what this thread was about. ?It was about skill... not how often someone CB's. ?So OOA can have skill and not even be on the ladder.

People have to understand that Bondo doesn't play RS... so he has no reference to a players skill except for the BL.

sorry for being obscure  ;D
i mean clans are placed on certain levels due to the amount of points they have and clans can only CB those in their point level therefore making it harder to get to the top just by CBing beginners. But i haven't got it all worked out yet, thats just a basic idea. I haven't put much thought into it yet as to how it might work. I just think it would be cool cause then clans wouldnt get a free ride to the top off of noobs.

Well,ak just stole 3rd from us.......even tho,im suprised we didnt even make the cut for your list reb.

    Maybe for the first part of each season, the ladder could be points only, to allow shuffling and an initial ladder. At some predetermined date, the ladder freezes and for the remainder of the season, clans may only challenge the clan immediately above them in the ranking. If the challenger wins, the clans switch spots. The defeated clan may not challenge the winner for some length of time (a few days or so).

    Problems with this system include:
     - lack of spontaneity in CBs.
     - inability to make quick moves by challenging high-ranking clans.
    Both of those problems could be addressed by adding the ability to challenge a higher-ranking clan, up to a certain number of spots above you. Say 3, for the sake of argument. Some penalty for losing such a challenge would have to be worked out. If you lose a normal challenge, there's no penalty, so perhaps losing a multi-rank challenge would cause your clan to move down the ladder a spot or two (depending on how many ranks above you you were challenging).

    No doubt there are other problems that did not occur to me. Anyhow, just a little thought experiment for you guys.

Grifter, there are penalties for losing so no a clan can't just CB a lot and lose half.  They'd be losing as much as they gain.  Also Lothario, even if the worst team beats the best team they only gain 40 points which won't make that big of a change.

Grifter, I know what I said may eliminate some skillful players and rank them lower, but that is their choice for not being active at all.  Unless someone is able to CB weekly than I call them too inactive to be the best.  In R6, by the ladder I guess you would say that DAMN is the best (based on the last ladder as no one has CBed this time) but you could also argue that SiX is a better clan (and I might as well) but they aren't on the ladder and can't prove that.  But SiX has the excuse of not being on the ladder, OoA doesn't...they are on the ladder and so if they were the best they'd be playing and beating people, not sitting inactive.

Bondo, you were perfectly clear.... just wrong.

The question of which clan has the most skill can be answered by other means if you actually played the game.  You don't.  End of conversation.  You gave your opinion that the ladder is what you hold to.  Fine.

To me and many others, that isn't the ONLY measure of skill... just one.  A clan that doesn't CB often can be the most skilled in GR... skill and success are two different things.

How about if I say that a big part of skill is to be able to perform in a tense competitive environment.  Now success on the ladder is directly related to skill.

Personaly, I think that while you can still have a lot of skill, and not win the ladder, I think that to be considered one of the best clans, you have to have won the ladder, KoS has won it, AK has won it, SECT is new, however built mostly off of SWAT players, I think that part of being a top clan is to be able to win the ladder, for this reason, I think that while OoA might be a very good and skilled clan, they can't be considered one of the best clans until they at least compete for the spot in the ladder. Just my opinion.

-Typhy

Ok, I'll try this again for you Bondo... here's why the Ladder isn't a great test of skill....

If Clan X CB's 5 times, beating all the top 5 clans, and never loosing... they are still at a max of 200 points.  The clans that are in the Top 5 have all CB'd over 20 times and all have won more then half (remember, loosing to a better ranked clan doesn't cost you as many points as you can earn).

So, since Clan X has beaten all the other top clans, but hasn't CB'd very often they ended up with a total points of 160.  The other clans all CB'd often and ended up with more points.  Does that mean Clan X was less SKILLED (I think not, they performed under pressure and always won... they just didn't get together enough).

Hope you see my point.  They didn't win the battle league, but can still have plenty of skill.

The battle league can't be a true test of skill unless it's structured with a type of schedule... meaning that everyone CB's everyone the same amount of times... everyone then has the same number of CB's played....  That then would make the ladder more reflective of skill and not as much frequency.

kind alike what the 7 or 8 tourneys that never happened were gonna do.

Well Anarchy the *DAMN Summer Tournament is happening right now.  Maybe you should have joined it?



Haven't we considered this before Grifter? ?You, Bondo, I and a couple others seem to be the only people who like it.

Yes, but if they played those 5 CB there would be something to compare to, OoA hasn't played any so they don't have anything competitive to compare with.

Well Bondo, you got half my pont... so far so good... now we'll hit the other half.

I'm going to give you a couple extreeme examples.

So you are saying that if you were playing a game of pickup hoops at the park, and these guys in red, white and blue uniforms that never play in any league came out there and cleand up the courts... you still wouldn't recognize the skill behind the Harlem Globetrotters?  They've never won any titles in any leagues... but all it takes is seeing them in action to know that they have skills.

Like I said... the BL is all you have got, because you don't play the game.  But the guys that actually play the game can recognize skills just fine without looking at a box score.  I'd know that KoS is one of the most skilled clans, even if they hadn't joined the BL...  not joining it wouldn't make them less skilled at all... it would just make them below the radar of those that only read the paper for their sports opinions.

What people have to base a clans skill upon is how they play together in GR... when they play with them and against them.  

late again here, but grifter just give up trying to change bondo's thoughts, he is closed minded most of the time so really no point.

Well Oso, I haven't seen Grifter changing his stance, so maybe he's close minded, and I have changed some, like saying it isn't directly based on the ladder rankings, but that having that competition is a necessary factor.  Yet he just wants to stand by thinking that one can be the most skilled without any competitive playing, just playing in fun games.

Because you can have skill without actually having to compete.  The ladder is just ONE way to measure skill... and to me, not a very good one at that.

Well, I'll tell you this much, going in games where there's plenty of new players just starting out mixed with old players, and owning them,  is just half way to being a great player.  It shows they can play and are not noobs.  What makes a great player is one that does the same thing under pressure in a Competitive Environment such as *DAMN BL where your name rides on the line unlike regular games.  That has a totally different environment than one under pressure CB'ing for your clan for a legit tournament.  Proving yourself in the tournament and being able to beat established players that have made the next move to make a clan, proves by far who the better players are.  Being that Grifter dislikes me personally so much and knowing I am the Leader of |?K|, it is nearly impossible for him to ever credit the fact that the better clans are always at top holding down shop.  And that's simply because our clan is up there.  Competitive Environment is where you prove yourself and your clan.  Regular games are just that, Regular games.  Thanks for your time and Look forward to CB'ing some good competition like SECT soon.  It'll only make the challenge better 8)

I love playing RS, but the only way it is really fun, is when a good challenge comes along and you battle it out in exciting games that go down to the wire.  That's what makes RS fun and that's why CB'ing is fun and the best way to separate the dogs from the cats. 8)

Good points Rapid

OMG, Rapid made a logical well written post.

What is the date?
*writes July 8th 2002*

Is this true Grifter?  Would you be more happy if Fire was number 1 ;)

fuck that bondo, engrave it in stone

Oh boy, this should be fun....


Sure, that's true... but it ignores two things.  One, we are talking about a clan that has skill (you are talking a player).  Second, we are talking about skill, and not what makes the Great Player.  I can tell that a player has skills, is skillful, if I see him play in games all the time.



Your name rides upon the line whenever you play the game under your own name.  Most of the people here think I'm a good, skilled RS player (judging from the "whos the best player thread).  How many of them have CB'd against me?  I mean, most CB's now a days are 2 v 2 (which isn't a real test of a clan... just a couple players).  So I've never faced Ultimo in a CB... he's never faced me.  But I can still say he's one of the best RS players on the Mac.  And I'm not basing that upon the BL at all.



It's one way... but not the only way... which is what I've repeated here a few times... too bad you guys just don't get that.



Actually, you are wrong again.  I like how you try to attack my personal feelings towards you as a way to make any response of mine lest credible... but you are wrong.  This started long before AK was even a thought.  I know that many here remember RAIN... and them being on top of the ladder.... right?  And remember them getting guys to form a clan, just to CB them...  the CB counted, RAIN had a ton of wins, and was number one, and the clan that they just beat was gone the next day....  Does that make RAIN a great clan?  I don't think so either.  What I said was that the BL system has ways to be manipulated.  That unless it is a true LEAGUE where everyone plays the same number of games, against all the clans, it couldn't be the best measure of skill that Bondo makes it out to be.  


END OF PART ONE

PART DUEX



I agree... but that has absolutely nothing to do with the BL or the clan ladder.  You and your so called "respect cbs" (which many clans seem to have liked in the past).  Having CB's that don't count....  so it doesn't effect the skills on the ladder.... that would be one more way that the ladder is flawed.  Also, you are saying that any clan that chooses not to compete on the BL (but will still CB with you) can't be considered SKILLED... That's just plain wrong.



HAHAHAHAHA.... oh sorry.  I've heard that joke too many times.

Ah... and look here... proff that he doesn't believe everything he is saying.  SECT is called 'good competition'.  That would imply that we have skills.  Not according to the clan ladder... where we sit in 9th place.  But since we've beaten the number one clan... and if we beat AK (as if they would CB us)... and never CB again... would we have skills or not?



CB's are great... and it is the reason I'm in a clan in the first place.  I like to compete.

What I've said is that the BL clan ladder is not the end all be all example of SKILL.  It is one measure, and one measure only.  And a good player can be in any game and recognize skill in another.  A good clan can recognize skills in another.  Would Jordon have still posessed his skills if he had never played in the NBA??  I think so.  He would never have been the Greatest Player... or a Hall of Famer... but his skills would have been there.  (obviously they would get dull if he never played... but in this example, he'd be able to play pick up ball with all the NBA greats too... since all the best clans don't only CB).  

Skill isn't a measure of success...  but often success comes from skill (usually, but not always).  I'm saying keep them seperate.. that's all.  I'm saying that OoA, even without a CB could be considered skilled by those that play RS and have seen them play... that the BL alone isn't the measure of skill.

I say we hold a huge tourney, and see whos the best...

One that was the idea of the *DAMN tourny but now some people are signing up late and confusing some things.  If this goes well there will be more tourney's and even the idea of a possible player of the year to the person who wins the most tourney's that year.

As to some of what Grifter said..I know you are skilled because I cb'ed you in a 4v4 when you were with Swat.  You kicked our little n00b asses. :)

awww ::hugs jo::

Grifter, we by far have excellent players and teamplay in our clan, yet you choose not to mention us or any of us in particular. ?I myself give everybody in GR a run for their money, let alone when my team is with me side by side (then it's slaughter house), yet never get credited by you thanks to your inflammated ego (or the fact you dont even play RS no more, yet act like you do). ?I don't want to claim best, but I do like to claim skilled. ?You are full of yourself and you continue to steer everyone's feelings with your misconcepts. ?There are many great players at everything out there, but the only way for it to be officially known, is to enter a league and hold down shop with a team. ?I personally challenged OoA xoclipse to a CB and he said, "No". ?So realize That I challenge these "good" clans and they decline me. ?So while you chat your life away in these forums, we are actually playing RS and not MOHAA and keeping up with who's where. ?Of course there's been clans up there, but that was PAST. ?This is NOW. ?You want to see who's bad ass in RS, check the BL stats. ?Enough Said. ?Of course people that are lowered ranked, will feel this isn't the way to judge it. ?Of course those people spend time posting 10 paragraphs in forums where it talks about how they play, rather than being in a game and showing how they play. ?Times have changed and it's a whole new crowd. ?Talk all you want about the past, it's about present. ?The future has a spot for the winner that proves themselves in this competitive environment. ?So while you claim this isn't a very good way to judge skill grifter, you are by far wrong and obviously you are so stubborn you can't see that. ?Go ahead and keep arguing this isn't the best way to judge clans' skill. ?We all know it is. ?You're only allowed to CB a clan 3 times per season. ?You get penalized 10% for losing. ?You can only gain a maximum of 40 points per won CB. ?It is definately working and you are definately on one thinking it's not. ?I'll let you dwell on this post and let you attempt to brainwash others on believing otherwise, but we all know this is the best way to see who's the best at the time being. ?Bring your SECT clan around and we'll be happy to CB you. ?I been waiting to CB you since you took the forfeit win with SWAT! ?Now ?get your ass in GR and CB! ?Maybe then you can gain some ground to talk shit.(Not that you ever need any, you do it anyways and you always think you're right no matter how wrong you are. ?Damn overgrown kid) ?

(You had your opinion Grift that BL isn't the best way to judge it in your eyes. ?Time for my Eyes and a lot of others that think just like me) ?This IS the best way to see who's best. ?Beating and Killing people in CB is by far a more taskfull skill to carry out than doing so in a regular game. ?CB is where it counts and it will always be the official way to prove yourself. ?When you kill in regular games, that's child's play since you are not under pressure of a tournament status. ?Psychology has a lot do with how you play, and you dont have the pressure you have in a reg. game, the way you have it in a CB, therefore giving you a chance to play better in a non pressure environment. ?Put it this way, if Jordan wouldn't have joined the NBA, he would've only been known by a handful. ?By joining the NBA and proving all he did, he showed the whole world he had the skills. ?Remember that BL is worldwide and any challenge from anybody around the world can arrive at any time. ?Think about that next time you say BL is not a proper way to judge skill with clans. 8)

You are right... and just illustrated my point.  SECT is considered Skilled... yet we have only 3 CB's to our name... and are not high on the BL....



I agree with every point there but one....

The one I don't agree with is that you have to be in the BL or that the number of CB's determine it....

If we are godd, and beat some other very good clans... why would the fact that we chose not to CB very often mean we aren't just as skilled??

I only use SECT since you brought us up... we will CB more.. but we are MOH whores right now ;)

Funny... I didn't mention anybody but KoS and RAIN in my last post.... you don't see anyone else complaining... do you?  Get over yourself already.  The world isn't about AK.  You also didn't hear me say anything bad, did you?



Wow, full of yourself, aren't you.  Rapid, you aren't near the top in skills in my book... sorry.  You do not give everybody a run for their money.  And if it was a slaughterhouse, your win % would be damn near 100%.. wouldn't it?  The reason you don't get credit from me is because you (Rapid) are an asshole, and not that good... as for AK.. I've never said a bad thing about them as a clan.  Only it's leader.



Sure, and if you do all your CB's late, you'll gain more points then if you do them early (the skill point system lets teams catch up faster with less wins).  And it doesn't force you to CB the best clans... it still lets you choose.  And then there is the fact that one clan can have 10 times the amount of CB's as another... all that says is that they play often... not that they are skilled....



I can't count how many times you've said that... only to always back down... bah



But Jordan would have had his skills... nothing can change that.  That is my whole point.  Too bad you just can't seem to understand it.  In the NBA or not... Jordan has the skills.  It doesn't matter who knows it... that doesn't change the fact that he had the SKILL.  Way to show my point for me!



Yeah... it's just too bad that they don't have to accept it... huh?

Again Rapid, all your bitching hasn't proven a thing.  Oh... Grifter hates me and wants to brainwash the world against me... well asshole, I didn't bring you up... you did.  I didn't say a thing about Retardo or AK.... I was talking about SKILL, and how the BL isn't the only, nor the best way to judge SKILL.  

    Grifter is doing a fine job of beating Rapid about the face and shoulders, so I'll just say this.



    Rapid, I've seen you use the word "taskfull" before. It's not a real word. Even if it was real, you wouldn't be using it properly. The suffix -ful means, among other things, "characterized by; resembling." Taskful? Resembling a task? Sorry, no go. Even if it was real and even if you were using it properly, you're spelling it wrong. The suffix -ful has one "L".

hahah rapid saying the forfeit win from SWAT though the score was 5-0 before you guys wined and gave up, and now you say you been looking forward to a cb with SECT, though you have been asked NUMEROUS amout of times to cb by us, but same ol answer as before, no our "elites arent on" though i see like 5 aks with |?k| which means they are the elite AK's. ihave stated this a lot of times too, but you know you always block out the truth.

raped you are like a big baby, "WAH WAH WAH grifter didnt mention me in the most skilled clan WAAh MOMMY!!" get over it like grifter said he didnt mention even KoS and they are easily one of the most skilled clans out there, ?

Raped face learn to realize that the we all dont worry about Ak like you do, cuz they are not part of our lives, like it seems to be with you, so when some one doesnt post about AK doesnt mean they dont like them, just means they have something better to talk about .

mb he ment skillful task?

actually i have come to admire rapid. after all not many people could take that much punishment and still want more ;)

He doesn't actually read my posts Bran... so he has no idea that he's getting beat... kinda like him in RS too... (remember, he thinks he gives everyone more then they can handle...)

more bullshit thatn they can handle is more like it

Ahh, double posting whores.

Anyway, Maybe after we finish up with the 1v1 and 3v3 tournements, we'll have to have a Clan based tourney where any of the group can play. ?Maybe have it have the same format but make it best of three CBs to advance. ?The league part is a heavy commitment that most wouldn't be able to keep (seeing as some clans can't be arsed to CB once a month).

And Grifter, stop with this, if they don't agree with you or if they argue a point you've argued against, they haven't read your post thing.  Just because Rapid and I disagree on what makes a skilled player doesn't mean each side has to keep posting about it (as I've stopped arguing that just because I said my piece).

Oh... I thought you finally realized that skill and success (or frequency) are not the same thing... and can be measured in more then one way... especially by those that play the game. ;)  I actually did figure that the Av's and Jordan point made it through to you though.

As for my continued posts...  if Retardo wants to come in here and pick a fight... I'm not backing down.  I didn't bring him into it, he brought me into it... so nope.. I'm not going to just let it go... sorry.

What Av's point (I wasn't in the argument so I wasn't about to read your lengthy posts).  And I didn't say that I thought playing a lot was necessary.  But beating good teams/players in a competitive situation is necessary to me thinking someone has skill for the most part.  They don't have to win more than everyone else, but they need to have a distinguished competitive record.

DOH... my bad.  I changed that post Bondo.  I had the Av's and Jordan... but changed it to the Harlem Globetrotters... as it fit a little better.  It's on page two right between two of your posts.

The point was, you made mention early that the BL was truely an indication of ability... and that if you hadn't CB'd, you couldn't have skill...  My counter is that MJ would still have his skill in hoops, even if he had never played in the NBA... if he had gone on to be a pro baseball player.  And that the Globetrotters have obvious SKILL... even though they never compete.

muhahahah

Nice Try Grifter. ?Just because I don't agree with your stupid ass points, doesn't mean that you coming in here talking shit acting Like RS's voice of reason, is going to change my mind. ?Keep your opinion and shuve it where the sun don't shine. ?I pointed out that as reasonable as you try to sound, you exclude clans that really do have skill like ours. ?But you know what, I'm arguing with an asshole, so I'll let you sit in your shit. ?I'm just glad that way more people agree with my point of how to judge who's currently the better clan with skill to get the job done in a competitive environment where only skilled players with confidence enough to be in a clan, come to compete and establish positions. ?I proved my point. ?Now good luck trying to prove yours. ?We were talking about clans and our clan gets the job done whether you like it or not. ?We will continue to have fun and I'm sure assholes like you will always exist on sideline hating. ?So grab your popcorn and continue to hate while I just have fun playing the game. ?Geez, the game is actually fun when I don't deal with assholes like you grifter. ?

Oso, like I'm gonna believe your funny ass about you challenging us when we had ELITES on. ?LMAO ;D ?Get your sorry asses in GR and we'll CB.  Also stop the Gossip Lies Bitches!?

Loth, if you don't like slang, that's on you. ?I'm not here to teach you slang. ?I'll make up my own slang for RS as I please and taskful will be a word in it and most of you know exactly what it means so bah! ?

    Illiteracy does not equal creating slang.

Oh, poor Retardo... can't debate any points, so he goes back to his old stand bys....

Well, if your head was any farther up your ass, it would pop out your shoulders for the whole round trip.  I've been on GR playing every day for the past two weeks... dunno where you have been.  Just glad I don't have to see your annoying ass.  I play all the time, and I post at different times.... cause I can do both... big deal.

Too bad you can't read, and just choose me as your target... because it makes you look all the more foolish.  I wasn't talking about any clans being skillful or not.  I just came in here to say that the BL is NOT the only way to judge skill.  And it's correct.

Why the hell did you come back in here?

My point was proven asshole(Grifter).  The BL is THE best way to judge skill and if you take time to read my post, you can understand why.  But being that you have your head so far up your own ass, you're still trying to act as if you know what goes on outside ;D  You cried that BL isn't fair because you're not up there.  Yet a couple months ago you were praising your stands in BL.  What a fucken funny guy you are!  Only good when it benefits you.  Typical Grifter.  Too bad that all your bashing on the BL did nothing but prove how big your ego is, that you will even bash on BL to help yourself feel better about yourself.  What an asshole.  I wonder how people like Mauti like hearing crap like yours about the BL not being fair and being full of flaws simply because you're not placed anywhere you think you should be.  Stay down Grifter, you belong down there with the scum::)

WoW, Typhy just used the word "fuck" 9 times in 3 sentences.....  :o

 Fuck Fuck you guys sure do fight a lot fuck fuck

fuck, that's fucking impressive.

I read your post... you yourself said as much that MJ would still have his skills... but that it wouldn't be widely known.  (as if FAME and SKILL are the same thing).


Actually, I didn't say anything about the BL being FAIR... I said it's not the best judge of SKILL... glad to see you are still too much of a TARDO to get it.  And I haven't parised the BL since it adopted the skill points system...  and that goes for when we've been on top or not.  Difference between you and me... when we are on top, I'm not bragging about it.



Actually, when I want to feel better about my skills... I just join a game with you in it... now that makes one feel superior.



Again... I never said fair... just not perfect yet.  And Mauti and Elandrion know exactly how I feel.  As for SECT's place.. you are right... I don't agree with it....  SECT shouldn't be that HIGH with only 3 CB's and 2 wins.  You see.. unlike you, retardo, I'm not a hypocrite.  

Typhy, take your fucking ridalin and get a clue.  I can pull up the old posts where I set up a time to CB you and Rapid... Mauti gave you the in to CB before you left... I was there, Cow was there... you guys were nowhere to be found.  SECT has challenged you... SWAT has challenged you... but there's always an excuse on why you can't.... so don't give me your fucking fronting bullshit.... k?

And my problem is that Rapid is a fucking TARDO ASSHOLE.... He decided to make this personal, not me.  I wasn't even talking about him, or AK at all.... and you and I didn't have a problem in here until he came in either.  Now, you are a problem too... because I guess being so close to that asshole, it is catchy.

SECT is on GR all the time... what are you waiting for... CB us.  I'm afraid of nobody... I look forward to CB'ing clans I think are great...  I'm not going to be afraid of a clan I don't think is....

"SECT is on GR all the time", then why is it that a few days ago you posted a post saying that you'd just booted back into OS 9 for the first time in over a month and all of that  crap about RS etc? Whats up with that? Spammer - Get a life. Anytime that SECT, I and Rapid are on at the same time, come to me and ask for a battle. There is a good chance that we'll be ready to take you out then.

typhy, just cause he rebooted in OS9 for the first time doesn't mean he isn't on GR, i see grift on from time to time, oso is on alot. Typhy, i wish you were a pot head, cause you'd be alot more mellow.

Ohhh look at me... I'm Typhy... I think I'm smart and just caught Grifter in a lie... uhhh hmmm.

You dumbass. ?Yes, it is true, I just booted back to OS 9... But I've been using GR in OS X... is that such a shock? ?I've used GR in OS X for a long while... GR works fine... RS is the only thing I need OS 9 for. ?MOH, RTCW, EF.. they all play in OS X. ?So don't be such an asshole, you aren't as good at it as Retardo.

Also, I notice you said YOU and Rapid have to both be on... and that there's a CHANCE you'll be ready for us... LMAO... that's typical. ?Get your fucking clan together... let's get a good old 4 v 4 together. ?If we have to wait to find both of you on at the same time... and that you are "ready" to CB... just set up a time. ?And it may as well be our whole clan vs you guys, since we are setting it up.... no?

i wish RS had a spectator feature, cause i'd love t see sect kill AK

You wouldn't see that even if it did have a spectator feature.

    Jeb, I was just thinking the same thing. And Typhy, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Grifter, you're full of yourself.  In other words, You're Full Of Shit!  I'll stay away from your stinking ass so I don't start smelling like your dumbass and lower myself to your level anymore.

Lothario, how bout getting your pansy ass and replying to the challenge I put out.  Or are you too afraid to prove yourself to me in a CB.  You and Rebel did plenty of shit talking in these forums and I only have you 2 on my hit list of people I personally want to have a CB with.  And being that you given Typhy shit too, he will be there to stick up for himself as well.  Hope you don't puss out and accept the challenge.

|?K| vs. KoS
Players for |?K|: Rapid & Typhy
Players for KoS: Lothario & Rebel (The 2 biggest |?K| shit talkers from KoS on these forums)

We will solve our differences in the battlefield >:(

For those of you that don't recognize this.. this is Rapid backing down from a CB... again. ?I've seen it so often now, it's old.

And Typhy... last time I was in a CB with YOU, you guys ran away when we went up 5-0 and it was time to move to OUR host.... so I'm not really worried about the outcome if we can get another CB going...  (that... and we just don't worry about it in the first place).

Here's my way of avoiding you Grifter.  Fucken dumbass...  Stop thinking we don't want to CB your stupid ass, cuz that's the only goal on our menu dipshit.  How bout showing up to GR and playing for a change rather than being the annoying Forum Whore you became to be, Asswhipe!

As stated.. I've been on GR everyday for the last two weeks... or is Retardo too dumb to see that?

You always SAY you'll CB us... but you never actually do... and that is a well documented fact. ?

As for being a forum whore... how many posts have you made in the last two days? ?Smells like dead fish to me....

As for all this shit Rapid... let me remind you... you started it all. ?I wasn't talking to you... I wasn't talking about you... I wasn't talking about AK... but you decided to come in here and be a whinny little bitch tardo again... so don't blame me just because you can't debate a point or admit when you are wrong... you are a pathetic little thing, and I've actually come to pity you... so run along... when I come home from work and go on GR... we'll see if you actually CB.

And like I told Typhy.. if you guys really want to... set up a time, and we'll do a 4 v 4... all four SECT against any  four AK's... come on, you always tell me you need to set them up, that I can't just challenge you on GR (especially because you have me on ignore, you dumbass).  We'll be more then happy to CB.  I fly out Thursday afternoon, and come back Monday night... so anytime before or after works for me.  And if you don't want to wait for me... that's ok, Oso, Civ and Cow can have all the fun.  But either way... put up or shut up.

Just a note... CIv and I are online right now... and nope.. AK isn't... there goes the "get your ass online" bs....

Quick update... Well, as of Midnight EDT, Rapid never came back on GR...  go figure.
I fly out of town tonight, and won't be back until Monday afternoon.... no GR for me on this trip... but I'm willing to bet that AK still hasn't CB'd SECT when I get back... any takers??

bah i cant vote against that, cuz i know they wont cb us. like numerous amount of times, rapid keep up your bs about you never backing down to SECT or SWAT, when you know yourself that you have done so plenty of times, even people in the B&G have seen it as well as the cubical.

Typhy shut up, youre an idiot some times, i used to respect you .. sord of, but here i see you speaking out of your bunghole.

so next time you see me on with another SECT dont go quiting GR like you guys like to do so often. and the thing i like too is that rapid stated a while back "oso you are just jealous that you cant get in my clan cuz you suck"  then a few days later rapid asked me to join AK, saying "we really need an elite on AK cuz if you join we would be unstoppable"

now to see rapid deny this. when he does , then i am going to laugh till i pee my bloody pants. cuz you know its true rapido.

I would like to think that the BL would show an accurate measurement...... but i think that OoA have exceptional skill. Their pistol ownage is totally awsome. =)

yep just like what grifter stated,  that the BL is ONLY 1 way to measure skill. it isnt the main thing skill should be based on though... something along those lines

Making stuff up? Beat us in what? Ability to lie or be the most well known asses on GR?

Typhy i hope you know OoA has only CBed AK 1 time. I know you and rapid remember the game outcome and the BS you gave us(took 2 days to finish a cb?!?! wtf)... basicly the final outcome was 10-4 OoA winning... and i have not forgoten that day, it had truly begain my lost of repect for AK. As of now I will never CB AK due to the dishonisty you 2 have shown. Also the reason why i have all the AK(AGay) members on ignore is becuase a clan is represented by its members, most of all the leaders. i belive i am justified.

So Typhy what did you beat us at?

BTW,stop harrasing me and my fellow clanmates.

oh,Also i think i agree with everything grifter has posted and he has made vary much of it as clear as possable....

Although, i am sad to hear of his terrible tragedy.

Rob, the only BS was yours.  It was YOUR teamate that had to leave and not ours.  We were polite enough to carry it to the next day and this is our reward? >:(  

I beaten you in CB rob, aka Anarchy and it was you and zak in BoW vs me and 5150(Our first Official BL CB btw).  It's funny how you make out a situation to be more than what it is, but I guess that's the easy way out of CB'ing us ;) "I won't CB |?K| because I think I got a good excuse" <----- Rob at his best. :O

Too bad it just reflects on your whole clan when you choose to talk, yet not back it up in a CB.  It sux because I personally know Mongull and get along great with him, yet you act so immature.  Don't go taking things out on us because of your mishapps.  Anyways, you won that CB, so it is quite hilarious for you to be whining. :D

Anyways, this is just horrible timing for you to come in here to bash on us when we're trying to Let things cool with Grifter being hurt and all.  Nice Timing OoA Slobert >:(

Anarchy, I'm pretty sure that the score in the one that we won was 12-10. 5150 and Rapid vs Zak and either you or Reaper.

False that I bsed, true i had to leave.

Here is the story of the OoA vs AK CB... before the CB it was clear that it was BEST out of 10 games. so we go and play on my host first and then in the transaction of switching hosts rapid took his time and had to goto the bathroom,restart his comp and so much other crap. typhy, i belive had his share of wasting time by having some problem that he was offline for awhile...anyways, WE START TO CB!!! ?when OoA reach 5 we said, "GAME POINT OOA" ?and we procceded.... so we won. then rapid says you guys will forfit if you don't finish the cb...or something like that. so we were amazed how that would happen... so they say it was FIRST to 10 game wins(omfg). ?just another try to redeam a chance to win a cb. it was late at night(Mornning) and this CB draged(just as i see rapid's posts and issues) on and on so, i said fuck it. i left to get some sleep for the day to come. that day i belive we spoke with a *DAMN member and told him the conflict... and so we had to end up having to finsh the CB(grrr). score was 10-4 we won again, it was a fucked up CB.

that was the start of a new relationship with AK.

Funny thing... i didn't see anything in this thread about BoW. Also, i belive it must of been Reaper, i don't recall lossing to AK,ever.

Likewise with |AK|Hitman and I.(the only AK thats not ignored)

hahaha. whining? wheres the whining?

Sorry, if thats the case... is sounds like your not leting it cool...

I did NOT want grifter to be offended...(shall the thread ?puased?)

In my first post i was just claiming you were false. it sounded like you said AK beat OoA... you mean BoW? the clan in the past...and again,i'm sure it was reaper.
but whats BoW have to do in the thread? unanswered question looking for detours?

My best wishes to Grifter!!! i haven't really known him well... but his posts are Hella good and he is a Great guy by telling by the post and being in SECT clan, because everyone thats in it are great guys(me fav. clan) and awsome players.

This is Grifters biggest battle to fight...GRIFTER BEAT ITS ASS!!! get well.
? Best wishes from Rob

So Robert, Let me get this straight, if we change our name to |AK| instead of |?K| then we can say that we never lost to you? Umm no, Same players, same clan, Just a name change, You guys were so stupid, you would've easily had the #2 rank had you not changed your name from: SPEAR, to BoW, and then to  OoA, And what were you saying about me wasting time? I've never cbed against you guys, I'd never really talked to you except for when you used to have RSD back when we were demo players, then I come on and you've got me on Ignore, you're one of those idiots who, if a few people in a clan do somthing that you dislike, you put the whole clan on ignore, IAM was that way too.

Sounds like Rapid....

ejo, your team supports Viper who turned in 4 month old chat logs to Evill to get Typhy banned for no reason. ?If your team would've been courteous enough to come in here and say they didn't support that type of behavior, I would've not put your clan on ignore. ?Besides, most of your clan never has anything nice to say to me, so its better not to have to listen to any BS out of any of your mouths. (I guess it does suck for the rest of the clan, but all they had to do is say they don't support Viper's actions, which none of them choose to do) ?What typhy was talking about, was other clans like IAM that would get mad for us coming in their games killing them and laughing. ?We just happened to find it funny due to the way we killed some of them, and they would get offended rather than simply say "GG". ?Then they would call us cheaters and put us on ignore. ?LOL! ;D ?Big difference when you put a clan on ignore because of petty things, or serious things. >:(

Slobert, Rules are Rules. ?If we agree to first to 10, and you were confused that it was "best" of 10, that's not my fault. ?Maybe you should pay more attention in CB's. ?Hell, I had a SS of you guys agreeing and that's why you had to go thru with finishing, so don't be coming in here BS'ing otherwise. ?Anyways, stop spending time trying to prove a pointless point in these forums and simply meet in the RS battlefield where this game is actually fun when kids like you aren't messing things up with unnecessary drama...

You can run, but you can't hide from the facts... ;)

where i have i heard that before rapid? OH YEA! the MIB cb, told them it was best of 10 then you were losing 6-2 then you said nopes 1st to 10, but they didnt go by your bs.

Banned for posing as an admin. Most of KoS do not care about these forums nor the banning. BTW the chatlog is about 2 months old.

here is short and sweet, just how i like it.

look over these forums... to much bs i see, this thread is in Gossip...Gossip=mostly BS ? ?BS=can be never ending ?which=waste of time
hope this was clear. just my thought,think how you want to think. can't change some people.

Typhy, about 10 people in Spear 3-4 left to BoW. Bow having about 7 peolpe only 3 went to OoA...Therefore not "Same players, same clan, Just a name change".
honistly i don't care much for BL and ranking.

Rapid its never your falt. i'll stop tring ?to clear stuff up it will just become foggy. i've met you in the battlefield 2 times both times we know what happend(Thx jo ;)). Slobert child's play... rapid i am not a kid, i'm a man.

3 posts are plenty for me i'm done here.

oh my god....who cares, if AK thinks they can win you ask them to CB. all you guys do is say that AK is #1 (mainly typhy)  but however AK is not the whorst clan. OoA has there stuff together i think it would be a good CB  ::)

      Thanks Snake ;)  

  Let's Play RS!!!::)

No point at all in arguing over things like this that happened in the last battle league, Robbert knows that we beat them, so what? I don't care if he won't admitt to that. I'm here to play the game, Not argue with someone beacuse they won't admit that they lost to us in the last battle league under a diffrent clan name, Who cares! I wish that OoA would clan battle against us. Robbert, what the heck are you talking about regarding MiB? I remember what happened in that cb, 5150 and I got owned. Everything that we did seemed to be to slow, a good battle, disapointing because I didn't think that we played well. Robert, I wish that you wouldn't hold somthing against a clan beause of somthing that someone in the clan did that you disliked, I remember a while ago, I joined your game, I IP joined under a diffrent name ( Ripper ), you booted me because as my clan name it said "Aggressive Killers", You booted someone who you'd never heard of beause of what clan they were in. I don't know what you are talking about over the scores or whatever against MiB, 5150 and I were mad because we were playing so bad, all that we wanted was the battle to be over!

-Typhy