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i noticed that in the past few days there were allot of people saying that they were gong to pray to their respective god, and that got me thinking again(it's a danerous passtime)

so, as you could tell from the title, if you would please post your religion,i would appreciate it

i'm roman catholic, what are you?

I am protestant.(evangelisch A.B.)

athiest, or how ever you spell it

I consider myself an agnostic Lutheran...to explain, I feel that every religion is praying to the same god and that god just takes the different forms to best reach each person.  The Lutheran part is because tha is the specific belief system that I choose to be reached through.  This belief is why I feel that fighting over religion is the single dumbest part of history (and present).

um my parents never really told me but i would guess im a mix , Buddest and Muslim

 I am also Roman Catholic Brain, but I think that Bondo has a very good belief that I've never heard of before.

I am Eastern Orthodox agnostic .I am like Bondo except I choose to reach god through the Orthodox faith.

I'm not sure there's a name for my religious beliefs, or lack thereof.  If I have my facts straight, I think it is somewhat similar to deeism, common among the US founding fathers.

My mother and father are jewish and episcopalian, respectively, so I have always had a cross-section of beliefs.  In general I believe there is a god, but I don't feel that it requires religious belief.  I am not sold on the idea of worship, and for me religion and its ceremonies are more of a cultural pastime than anything.

Religion to me is more a set of values.  I don't believe in an afterlife or such either.

However, I have nothing against anyone who does.  But I find it greatly offensive when people believe it is their mission to convert everyone else to their beliefs.  That is the source of conflict which Bondo had mentioned.   Although I suppose a neutral view is the only way to achieve true tolerance.

religion is iffy and people get all hard about it, personally i find it hard to believe in god mainly because there is so much business around it.  Like those billboards they put it up that had phrases from the bible.  I think thats wrong.  I think people that are really flamboyant (spelling) about their religion are stupid cause no one gives a fuck what u are.  I think all religions are cults because most religions want you to give up a little something something.  I also find it hard to believe people will devote so much of their life to something that has not even been proved.  
      People who fight each other because of religion are even more stupid.  How can any religion have priority over another?  Like the mayans and those old school peeps believed in multiple gods does that mean they are worse then christianity (spelling) or worse then a cult?  That makes no sense, then the christians (hardcore) believe that if you are gay you burn in hell and if you are not  a christian you burn in hell.  That sounds like an uptight country club to me.  There is so much we don't know i think we end up looking to god for an answer. God is an excuse for what we don't know.  We don't know why grifter had to die but we assume god did took him for good reasons.  We can't explain how earth was formed so we assumed God made it.  As science moves on and more is answered i think peoples beliefs get more deranged.  These religions were formed 200-300 years ago so earth being created in 8 days was not a bad answer.  Phew.  once again i would like to stress GOD IS AN EXCUSE FOR WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
P.S. When you are sitting in/on your bed praying to god remember you are just talking to your self.  We are all crazy =)

I'm Jewish, but not of the religious type. What do Jews believe? This is a far more difficult question than you might expect. Judaism has no dogma, no formal set of beliefs that one must hold to be a Jew. In Judaism, actions are far more important than beliefs, although there is certainly a place for belief within Judaism.

Rambam's (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, one of the greatest medieval Jewish scholars. Also known as Maimonides) thirteen principles of faith, which he thought were the minimum requirements of Jewish belief, are :

1. God exists.
2. God is one and unique.
3. God is incorporeal.
4. God is eternal.
5. Prayer is to be directed to God alone and to no other.
6. The words of the prophets are true.
7. Moses's prophecies are true, and Moses was the greatest of prophets.
8. The Written Torah (first 5 books of the Bible) and Oral Torah (teachings now contained in the Talmud and other writings) were given to Moses.
9. There will be no other Torah.
10 .God knows the thoughts and deeds of men.
11. God will reward the good and punish the wicked.
12. The Messiah will come.
13. The dead will be resurrected.

As you can see, these are very basic and general principles. Yet as basic as these principles are, the necessity of believing each one of these has been disputed at one time or another, and the liberal movements of Judaism dispute many of these principles.

Unlike many other religions, Judaism does not focus much on abstract cosmological concepts. Although Jews have certainly considered the nature of God, man, the universe, life and the afterlife at great length, there is no mandated, official, definitive belief on these subjects, outside of the very general concepts discussed above. There is substantial room for personal opinion on all of these matters, because as I said before, Judaism is more concerned about actions than beliefs.

Judaism focuses on relationships: the relationship between God and mankind, between God and the Jewish nation, between the Jewish nation and the land of Israel, and between human beings. Our scriptures tell the story of the development of these relationships, from the time of creation, through the creation of the relationship between God and Abraham, to the creation of the relationship between God and the Jewish people, and forward. The scriptures also specify the mutual obligations created by these relationships, although various movements of Judaism disagree about the nature of these obligations. Some say they are absolute, unchanging laws from God (Orthodox); some say they are laws from God that change and evolve over time (Conservative); some say that they are guidelines that you can choose whether or not to follow (Reform, Reconstructionist).

So, what are these actions that Judaism is so concerned about? According to Orthodox Judaism, these actions include 613 commandments given by God in the Torah as well as laws instituted by the rabbis and long-standing customs...
There. I better stop before y'all fall asleep. That's basically it (it's really not, but it's pretty much all I know about it...).

Hope this wasn't too much of a novel.. or a spam...

Catch ya later,
-Beefy.

i know that i said i'm roman catholic, i feel i should clarify a little(this is mainly in reponse to the prior 2 posts)
while i beleve and worship god in the standard  roman catholic way, i dont believe that the bible is a textbook or encylopaedia, describing everything as it happened.
take god creating the universe in just 6 days(genesis 2:3 "so god blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work he had done in creation"), i mean look at chaper 1 and 2  of genesis, ther are 2 different creation stories.

also, who said that a day for god had to be the same as a day for us. our day is based on the rotation of the planet, mb gods day is based on the rotaton of the universe? something to think about.

also, if he's almighty, why cant he create the universe through the big bang(let there be light! and, although i wasnt actually present at the time of the big bang, i'm willing to bet that there was lots of light)

all i'm saying is that i believe in what i call scientific roman catholosisim. who says that god couldn't do what he wants to do, in whatever way he wants

Ok, this is what the Orthodox Church has taught me. The Bible is written in metaphorical language. I have noticed that there are 7 geologic eras. I noticed this a while ago I might actually be wrong. You know  Pre Cambrian Cambrian Mesozoic etc. I cant remember their names. Tell me if I am wrong. But the point that I really want to shove across is that I want to say that the bible is written in metophorical. I talked to a Theologian Professor and he said the same thing about the Catholic faith.

hmmm, that is an interesting thought cossak, i'll have to look into that some more

ant yes, i do believe that the bible is metaphorical, revelations would be an excelent example

also, jesus tought in parables, which are esentially metaphores

I'm with you Brain, I believe that God created the scientific properties that allowed the Earth to form as it has, and that allowed the evolution of species to happen as it has.  I really don't pay much notice to the Bible, I think it is a document written by the various leaders throughout the history of Judeo-Christian belief.  They didn't have any more "word of god" than I do and so they just wrote in the book what they wanted to happen with little regard to God.  I think King David was a bad person not the great hero that the Bible makes him out to be.  I also think that anyone, regardless of how they believe will go to heaven if they are good at heart and like Martin Luther said "by faith alone".

Unactive/Roman Catholic/Ex-Alterboy
Christians is the right word.

yes i agree with cossak

All reliogions are cool with me its the people that say

O Man I got Jewed

thats fucking retarded

Catholic all the way, as if that should be some surprise seeing as how I'm Irish and Italian.

PS - I will not post anymore if/when this becomes a heated religious debate.

Not to mention pasty white Ace. (I make that joke in memory of Grifter bless his soul he is now among the big flocks of sheep in the sky)

I think SK's post is the only one that might have dipped into that realm.

I can't bring myself to join a cult, so I stay out of religion totally.

i wasn't planning/hoping that this would turn into a heated debate, so if we could keep it on the yea i agree, or i dont agree and heres why, level i would appreciate it

so in short; please, no bible thumping.

Yes, all bible thumpers will be crusified Jesus style

*waits to be moderated*

;)

 LoL Bondo giving me jobs. ?Don't turn this into anything rather than just saying your religion. ?I don't see why this was so important but I suppose it is harmless just saying your religion. ?I regard all religions as equal and I wouldn't try to argue with anyone about their religion. ?Your beliefs are yours and if this turns into an argument about religion which would be bad and disrepectful I'm locking it.

I don't know if I'm going to give Bondo the satisfaction by deleting that post ;D

As you may have noticed from my music and pledge posts, i can go on for hours.  For your sake and mine, I won't get into these arguments, nor will I create more.  If anyone wants to hear my "clever irrevrency" concing religion, IM me: LicentiousM.  Im usually on from 23:00 to 1:00 EST.

As for the question.  I am Roman Catholic.  I've been baptized and confirmed.  I went to church this last Sunday.  I practice, but curiously, fail to believe.

Seems to me like Brains trying to get to know everyone, since Grifter died.
For example, the "Whats in a name" thread he started.

For the record I am Catholic.
By the way, while I sit at school bored, anyone know of anything (legal) ;) to do on here?
NOTE: Not allowed chat rooms etc. >:(

jt.

Here is another quote for you the my grandmother told me. A little Religion never hurt anyone, alot of religion does.

I'm not. I HATE CULTS. CULTS ARE BAD! RELIGION IS THE BIGGEST CULT ON EARTH. There, it's out!

yep, we have a winner
that is exactly why i'm doing this jt.
with grifter i waited too long  to ask questions that were nagging at the back of my mind. and i dont want  to have to come to the realization that i was late a second time

bty this thread was just a curiosity thing, due to all the references to praying to god for grifter, not really connected with my master plan

? ? I'm agnostic in that I'm not sold one way or the other on the presence or absence of a god or gods.There's no empirical evidence one way or the other. That said, I tend to believe that no god exists, merely because I don't see the need for a deity. Of course, that's a supremely subjective conclusion. I respect religions inasmuch as they are very sucessful memes, but have no use for them myself. Like Loud, I have no problem with religious people, except when they attempt to convert me.

? ? I don't believe because there's no evidence. When someone can convincingly prove the existence of god, I shall reopen the case. : )

? ? Conceding that there is a deity or deities, I favor the plural. If you simply "scale up" a human, then it is unlikely that there is only one god who created the universe. It took one of the most skilled human minds of all time to create something "only" as complex as the Toccata and Fugue in D minor. I find it highly unlikely that a superintelligent human could create something as complex as a universe. It would require a committee or team effort.
? ? If, instead, god is infinite, omniescient and omnipotent (as advertised :) ), then god would likely be insane. I doubt that a mind of such complexity could handle the reality of being eternally alone. However, that does bring up the possibility that we and the other intelligent life which is (probably) out there are either the attention-diverting Erector Set of god or are subdivisions of god, created to allow him to pretend that he is not alone. (Twain's Mysterious Stranger, anyone?)

Heh, I just watched Fantasia, I'm sure Mr. J.S. Bach would be happy for the complement.

The reason for my faith is that it would disappoint me to much to think that we just live our lives here and that is it.  This world sucks enough that in mind there has to be some place better that we go.

Bondos Life
Midnight to 7am -Sleeep
7am-3pm -School
3pm-9pm- Post At Forums
9pm-Midnight-watch fantasia

lol bondo

Actually it would be more correct to say

4am-8am-Sleep
8am-11am-Own at MoH
11am-4pm-School
4pm-6pm-Sleep
6pm-4am-Become big forum/chat whore while watching Fantasia

lol bondo u boob

go get the fatasia 2 movie

i bet its great

Fantasia 2000?  Yeah, saw that...IMO it is every bit as good.  Pines of Rome rules.  We played that my senior year in high school.

bondo i was kidding christ
u dont have to go buy it

I don't own either, I do own Cats though.

Enough! You're driving me mad!

 And this topic was religion?

Cats is a religion.

Purple is a fruit.

and so is bondo ?;)

And Brain gets the comeback of the day award.  But it wouldn't be funny if it wasn't true eh?

And the LAKERS won the 2002 NBA Championship! ;D

Mmm...nothing quite like clicking right to page 3 on the religion topic and learning about the basketball tourney results.  I never would have known  ::)

Anyway, I can prove to you convincingly that black is actually white, and vice versa if you have several hours free.  It helps if it's after 1 in the morning though...

Put that one to mort if you dare, as well....

    "For he [the Houyhnhnm] argued thus: that the use of speech was to make us understand one another, and to receive information of facts; now if any one 'said the thing which was not' [lied], these ends were defeated; because I cannot properly be said to understand him; and I am so far from receiving information, that he leaves me worse than in ignorance, for I am led to believe a thing 'black' when it is 'white'...And these were all the notions he had concerning that faculty of 'lying', so perfectly well understood, and so universally practised among human creatures." --Jonathan Swift, "Gulliver's Travels" [italics added by me]

? ? Loud, you bad person, you. Baaaaad. For shame. ; )

No...actually when my Dad was in college at UNC his freshman year law class was required to make that argument as an exercise in thinking.

Black is white, you know.

do you use color addition and subtraction to make that argument? or is simply how you define each one.

    Hehehe. A law class making an argument defined by Swift as lying? [sarcasm] What a shock. [/sarcasm] ; )

Loud compliments me often.  And usually in ways which are flattering, but not true.  However, he is right, I am excellent at argueing on the side of truth.  And the truth is, Black is white.

Now:


I know I'm nitpicking, but a cult is a group of people who follow a living being, usually modeled after christ or a second-coming.

A religion, however, is group who follows a god or gods: some sort of otherearthly being(s).  They also have tax-exempt status!

Christianity was a cult.  So was Islam.  No longer though.

i am curious how you are able to make this a logical argument, could you please elaborate on how this 'proof' is done?

Well here goes.

Black

There once was a little boy who grew up in Indiana. He was a black kid with black parents and black brothers.

He and four of his black brothers made a band. They became five famous black brothers who played motown, traditionally black music.

Then this black boy, who was growing up and becoming a black man broke off and went solo. He was still black.

Eventually this man's music got shittier and shittier. Interestingly, he also became gradually whiter. Eventually he was completely white and enjoyed little boys. Thus is how black is white.

White

Doesn't follow how Michael Jackson becoming white means black is white?  Logical it was not IMO.

buncha religious poops

I compliment Mort because he is the only other hopeless online fanatic who thinks the same way I do.

But the argument can be made in many ways, from Ace's example to my personal favorite argumentative tactic: obstinancy.

For it is just as hard to "prove" the black is NOT white as it is to prove that it is.  When the truth is assumed, that black indeed is white, the reverse would also hold true, and then it becomes very difficult to ascertain otherwise, or which is which.  Furthermore, the argument should explain to you that any perception you have is based entirely on your fundamentally flawed culture.  Which I could go into for hours until you relent, but I won't.

Essentially, if you look at the post button below this, you would describe it as black and white.  But which is which?  I believe what you incorrectly refer to as black is actually white.  How can you tell me differently? That is what I see.  Perhaps your vision is flawed?

If you can define black without the usage of white, you'll see what I mean.  It can't be done without entering a very gray area.  And you'll see that's what this is.  This isn't a matter that is so cut and dried that it is only black and white.  There are many shades of gray that have been used to interpret black and white.  But the final truth is that black is white.


Illogical?  Perhaps...
Maddening?  Hopefully.... ;D

loud your a douche tell me the 2 colors to get black

    I say "feh" unto you, Loud. Arguing with curvy sentences in an attempt to get your victim to say, "Uh... yeah?" does not equal logic.

    Define black without the usage of white? Very well. Ahem.

    In terms of reflected light, such as when looking at an object, white is the collective presence of the majority of the spectrum of visible electromagnetic radiation. A white object reflects all of the energy of white light (defined above).

    In terms of reflected light, black is the absence of reflected light. A black object reflects very little or no light, absorbing it instead.

    In terms of additive color, such as that seen on the front of a CRT, black is an area of pixels which are turned off, since CRTs are dark.

    In terms of additive color, white is a group of red, green, and blue pixels all generating light at the same brightness, thereby combining the colors and producing white.

    Obviously, that law school's exercise in arguing that black is white was simply to get the larval lawyers to discard their unhealthy habit of viewing situations objectively. ; )

wow he got ownedlol :o

Well I wouldn't go that far...but it is an exercise in thinking subjectively.

But another part of the idea is that given that textbook definition - if you replace the word black with white, and vice versa, it makes just as much sense.  The argument challenges you to think outside of what you are told.  If you are told that black is as you just defined it, then you believe it.  But you should consider the possibility that everyone else is wrong.  Or simply that the language is flawed  ;)

For example ~

In terms of reflected light, white is the absence of reflected light. A white object reflects very little or no light, absorbing it instead.

Lay off the hormones.

hmmm, i dont know the exact term for my religion... however i would call myself a go to church twice a year incase there is a god follower

twice???

ooooops