*DAMN R6 Forum

Please read and sign the petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/iTol/petition.html

bah, Apple is so gay if they go through with this plan. I for one would never waste that type of money just to maintain an email address.

With Yahoo and MSN Hotmail being free, I don't see how Mac can compete with those services.  After promising that their service would never cost anything, this comes as a surprise that Mac would go back on their word.  Well, when opportunity knocks, it doesn't surprise me there isn't someone ready to collect off it. :(

well, i'm gonna be getting the service so i don't really care that much (my dad is buying it). anyhow if you have a itools acount it only costs 50$. I do think there should be a option for free services. Or some choices for how many services you want. there is a feedback form you can fill out and send to them on the .mac site. just my 2 cents.

how many people actually use @mac.com for their main e-mail?

Good question, I don't...
You might be able to see by moving your cursor over the picture of letters (beside someones post), ignore the "mailto:...." and just check the domain they use, but I guess that would take a while  ;)

jt.

Well over 2.2 million people are using iTools which includes the .mac mail address.

I use an @mac.com email addy for all of my non-personal uses.

Okay.... If all of those signed the petition, I think it'd have one hell of an effect... jeez... 2.2million, thats like, the same population as the country I am living in.

jt.

does this also apply to web hosting(homepage.mac.com) If so, that is a total
downer and i will once again have to move my site.http://homepage.mac.com/clanagency

I think the complaints about .Mac pricing are off-base. If Jobs had announced a $20 charge for iCal, $20 for iSync, $40 for Virex, etc., and given the services portion away free, people would have barely registered a complaint. "Sure we'll pay for software" they would say.
Instead, Jobs has given away a solid suite of programs and asked people to pay a yearly fee to fully take advantage of the software. iCal is a great calendaring program. Even for $20 it would be a steal. Same with iSync and Virex. These are best-in-class programs, and iCal is so much better that it has no significant rival. The only software that comes to mind is Action Scheduler, and that is $50, if I remember correctly.
So, I think .Mac is eminently "worth it." In fact, it is a bargain. Broadband connections (mine, at least) is $40 a month. Cable TV is even more. Landline phones? More. My static-clogged, obsolete-when-purchased (no 3G, of course) cell phone? That much plus. Mac is more like $8 a month, and $4 for the current iTools members (everyone in the Keynote and target .mac audience, basically.) For $19 a month, a student can rent a nice iMac (see store.apple.com education-> leasing) and subscribe to .Mac services. Hardly unreasonable. (A far sight from the $300 Microsoft charges for their glorified word processor. So 10.2 costs $129 and offers no upgrade pricing? Office v.X is $200 to upgrade.)
Lastly, the so-called "hard core" Mac users always find a reason to complain during and after every keynote. Even though I have owned a Mac since 1984 and never once a PC, and I would never switch platforms in a million years, I do not put myself in that category. I do not ask Apple to make OS X run on my Mac Plus. I do not rage blindly against any new UI features Mr. Jobs and Co. want to add to the system. I like the Dock and column view. To me, OS 9 now looks cheap, like it was drawn by a toddler, and is maddening to use. They are just continuing the tradition of complaining about Apple.

Abe Jellinek
Member of TheRegister

Damn right!

so let me get this straight typhy, that whole thing was just a quore, with you saying damn right at the end

oh and by the way, i agree complete with that assesment of the situation(but email and webhosting should be free)

Sorry, that quote is a stupid assessment of what Mac is doing. In fact, mac would be better off offering the seperate services individually instead of packaging them altogether. First off, Virex sucks my left testicle. It sure as hell isnt worth $40. Second, I don't care if he thinks iCal is the best calendar program out there. I guarantee you that you can find a similar one for free elsewhere on the web.

I dunno what Jobs is smoking but this is a very stupid act on his part. He will be lucky to get 1% of all of the registered iTools members to fall for his trap and buy his worthless .Mac "suite."

I just signed up for iTools at the beginning for this month to post a few pics up, so if they charge I wouldn't pay, nor would I really care, but hey, it is nice to have that web space for posting pics.

its not just 50$ for already itool members, its 50$ for the 1st yr then your back to paying a 100$ a yr...

Apple offered a possbillity for iTools users - who dont want to pay for it - to have one e-mail adress for free. It is to be found somewhere on the Apple Site , i lost the URL, sorry dudes.

But for those who wonna use the  @mac  Adress for free they should look it up.

I can tell something that i remeber:

1) U need a Full ITools Account, if u have a trial one u have to chnage it into a full.

2) then u have to enable the e-mail only preferences and then u can use this for free, but without diskspace and any other service, only Mail.

Greez

brain i am Cow mainly the biggest difference is that my name is cow and his is typhy =P

Yes, that is Cow, not Typhy, I feel insulted that you called me him :)

I personaly don't know that anyone who pay for it. For less per month, you can get a domain name with tons of space, email adresses etc.

DOH!!!

buy you two look so similar...

sorry, i forgot you changed your icon typhy
also sorry to anyone who felt insulted in any way ;)

Yes, damn you Brain, I feel incredibly insulted... ;).

Yes, that's kinda the reason that I changed my icon.

Liar Typhy! :O  You changed it because I gave you a cool new icon! ;)

While I do love this icon and wear it for most everything, Normaly in a place like a forum, I perfer to be more independant. Rather than just part of a clan, that's why I had the Smiley face on for so long, however, I was overtaken, this one was too cool.

Whoa...before we get too far off topic -

Is 100megs webhosting with email for $8 a month really unreasonable?

I don't think you can get that anywhere else?  No banners...great support services, and a bunch of software extras too.

How is it not worth it?  I'd sign up if I didn't already have webhosting and email....

Well but what if you don't need webspace, anti virus for mac ?or an ultra slow backupfunction. Also 8 bucks for 100megs of plain storage is very expensive. You can't run any scripts because perl, php or asp aren't supported. And there are enough free idisks out with storage between 25 - 100megs(with ads).

Steve can eat my dust - I only want my 2 mac mail addresses but unfortunaly I would have to buy a new mac account for 50 bucks to make my current accounts to email only.

Also the 10.2 OS X update for 129bucks is simple spoken an impudence.

Forget it Steve I'll activate my planetrainbowsix.com mail addresses.

Another disappointed Apple user

8 per month = 96 per year, yes, that is unreasonable.

sadly this appears to be yet another case where apple makes a 'smart' move before consulting, or even taking input from the end user

they did that for os x and look what happened, we got a os that everyone could deal with and that satisfied a large majority of the end users.

now, if only apple would have done the same thing here...i dont mean to sound cynical, but given apple's record(along with the rest of corprate america) i think were stuck with this unless that petition has at least 1 million signatures on it. mb more

p.s.  there were 21,560 signatures as of 6:42 CST 7/21/02

I see what you mean Mauti - I had incomplete info.

Although I do think the new .mac might be right for some people, those who had a need for all its services.

But yeah...I think I'll join the petition against it...even though it doesn't really affect me that much.

I have mixed feelings on this one. I can understand Apple wanting to charge for this stuff. It costs them a lot of money for bandwidth and all that stuff. However, the timing of this really was piss-poor. They announce it just as they tell us we have to pay 130 bucks for a friggin point release of OS X. That's just recockulous. But back on the .Mac subject, I just wish they could still give out one free e-mail per user. Charge for the other stuff, but keep an e-mail. I know I take pride in having my mac.com email addy, and I think it gives good publicity.

WEll i just emailed all my contacts on my Hotmail list because they were charging for POP access and all sorts of other shit. I thought @mac.com would solve my delema. Free ain'nt free no more! Im not suprised at Steves actions, he's a money hungry SOB. Thats why i purchaced a PC last Christmas, my G3 BW is getting old i thought( it still runs better than my P4 1.6mhz) so that made think twice b 4 buying another PC. Apple does have very GREAT products, but man, they sure now how to screw there loyal users!
======anyone install Linux on there mac b4 ?==========

that is becouse we are like stupid lab rats. we keep comming back for the cheese, but never seem to learn about that nasty shock that comes with it

U R RIGHT!!!!!!!!
------ anyone recieve an email from ?mac_goodies@mac.com???????-----------

i recieved it after signing the petition, very odd.!

Content was deleted to avoid Piracy and usually you only get a confirmation mail after signing the petition. Also use the hide email address feature when you sign up - Mauti

i think that the target audience for .mac is more for the professional adult crowd. ?especially isync and ical.

also, i've heard many people complaining about paying for 10.2. ?i realize that most of you haven't been buying software for a long time, but apple has been charging for point releases for a long time. ?apple never charged for it's os before os 7, but after that, 7.5, 7.6, 8.0, 8.5, 9.0, 10, have all been purchased. ?i think the biggest difference is that when they used to release a big set of stuff (like they are doing with 10.2) they used to bump the number up to .5 ?i think they are trying to hang on to the number 10 for a long time to come though.

also, i talked to some of you online last week about this. ?many of you are college students, and get apple software at a huge discount. ?about 50% off for 10.2. ?sometimes even bigger. ?for others of you, i can just say that apple has never asked me to prove that i'm a college student, or for proof that grifter's wife was a teacher, when we've gotten our discounts. ?use that knowledge as you will.

one other note, grifter was looking at setting up free macclans e-mail for the masses.  he was still working on the web front end instead of just making it pop3.  buccaneer and i will be looking at finishing his work if the demand is there.

yea, if i buy my computter(or any apple hardware) through the apple store at college, instead of the normal $100 off, i get free shipping, and i do believe that it is 50% off on all recent software

just confirmng your numbers

also, i would be interested in a macclans email address

This New iTools Payment

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i got MAC OS X for $74.00 w/free shiping.Student discount. Just say ur a student with a real College Info. thats it, no faxing over an ID!.

What...you expect me to lie?  Oh wait, I am a student.

Does the discount apply to high school students as well?

i think that it applies to any student of a recoglized educational instution, so , yes i think so