*DAMN R6 Forum

Ok, need a little help here. I don't know if it can be done, but it would be stupid as hell if it could be. I'm trying to configure my AirPort so I am able to host Rogue Spear games. I've posted something about it on the Apple Discussions page, figuring they would be able to help me out. Well, I got replys telling me I need to "Port Map" my base station. Ok well, for the port mapping, ?you need to enter a public port (which I assume is the port that Rogue uses to communicate over the intertnet - Ports: 2346, 2347, and 2348), well also you need to enter your IP address which is filled in automatically for me so no trouble there, and you also need to fill in a private port. I'm not sure what the private port is but someone at Apple replied to me saying to just put the same port as the public. So like they said, I port mapped all three of Rogue Spear ports that I know of. And you can guess it didn't work. I don't know if I did it wrong or is there another way to do it. I figure some of the guys on this forum are really good with computers and would give me more help then people on the Apple Discussions page. So if anyone knows how to do it can they please help me out. It would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
-Vapor

 I just thought that you couldn't host with airport....please if anyone knows say it.  I Would like to learn this also.

sadly, I think the only person with this type of expertise was Grifter...

Unfortunately, even this was a little beyond GRIFT's abilities. He tried to help me with this one time to no avail. I also remember him saying about he had to host on the DMZ to get it to work for him. I don't know what this means, so I'm probably not too much help.

Damn, this really sucks. It's bullshit you should just be able to turn the firewall off.

    While I have no actual experience with Airport, perhaps I can usefully contribute. Viper informed me in the past that RS actually uses the port 15000. It's not listed anywhere in the game, of course. (Damn shoddy programming.) Try opening that one and see if that helps.

    A DMZ is a "demilitarized zone" which brings a computer out from behind the firewall. In my experience with my Linksys router, marking a computer as a DMZ host is not a panacea, but it does fix a number of niggling problems, including some problems I had with GR and RS.

panacea
niggling

pls define these 2 words, i dont think i have ever heard them before

Panacea = true cure
I assume niggling means something like minor, small, etc.

Ah yes, I forgot to add that GR (or at least used to) force RS to use 15000 (instead of 2346 I believe). Dunno if that helps you at all.

    I shall lean on Dictionary.com for more authoritative definitions than I could formulate.

    Panacea:
          n. A remedy for all diseases, evils, or difficulties; a cure-all.
          \Pan`a*ce"a\, n. [L., fr. Gr. ?, fr. ? all-healing; ?, ?, all + ? to heal.] 1. A remedy for all diseases; a universal medicine; a cure-all; catholicon; hence, a relief or solace for affliction.

    Niggling:
         adj. 1.      Petty, especially in a nagging or annoying way; trifling: a pointless dispute over niggling details.
         2.      Overly concerned with details; exacting and fussy.

it used to be that you could not host games through airport.  we tried it more then once.

however, airports last two updates both included some work on the forwarding through airport.  so you can give it a try.

first thing is that rogue spear uses more then one port, so you'll have to forward all the ports it uses.  I think it uses 3 ports, and have heard it uses 15000 on game ranger.  problem is, which other ports.  quick answer is, forward all the ports from 14990 to 15010.  you'll want to forward these ports in the airport admin utility under the tab 'port mapping'.  you'll forward each port to the same port number on the ip of the computer you are trying to host with.  so 14990 10.0.1.2 14990, that way.  repeated for each port.

you'll also want to check the box 'enable airport to eithernet bridging' under the network tab.  we had to do this to get apple remote desktop to work between the airport network and the eithernet computers.  

word of caution!!! if you forward the ports to a specific computer on the airport network, then no other computer using that airport basestation will be able to use those ports.  so if you and your brother are trying to play over airport at the same time, it wont work.  even if he trys to join a different game later, using a different computer, it wont work until the ports are not forwarded.

i don't know if this will work for sure.  when deadeye comes back from his parents, i'll see if he wants to give it a try.

OK, well I ported all the ports between 14990 thru 15010 and I also ported 2346,2347, and 2348. Then when I went to host I started the game and it acted liek it would load normally but when the screen dimmed it just stayed black so I had to manually restart the computer. Why the hell is this so difficult? This has got to be one of the dumbest things. There has got to be a way out there to get this shit to work. Let me know if you guys figure anything out, I do appreciate your help Buc, and please talked to DeadEye for me. Thanks.

-Vapor

well now you got the airport to work but now you are behing a firewall ?;D don't worry.
go into TCP/IP in the control panles and set the configure to manually.
1)put your IP address in
2)subnet mask (open aple system profiler and go under TCP/IP in there to find it, should be called Netmask)
3)the router address(in ASP should be called default gateway address)
4)name sever addr(in ASP should be called name server address)

copy into TCP/IP this should get you infront of the fire wall.if it does not show anything in ASP you will have to call your ISP. if you have a router it's a little diffrent. if you have one let me know and i'll post again ?:)
o and that screen going black is the firewall it's killing your host by making it take 5 min loads...if you let it load the game should load in but it sucks.
*DAMN Snake   ::)

Ok, I did as you said Snake, and I started a game... well the screen stayed black for about a min and half and then it worked as normal. However, when Xoclipse joined my game and went to come in, it said "Connection to server could not be found" or whatever. Did I miss something? Who do you know Silent that knows how to do it?

what port number did he try to use when connecting to your computer?

Ultimo dose it all the time

haha ult u douchecake 8) :-[

Assassin, he tried to join through GR.

SK, I asked Ulti if he knew anything and he said he didn't.

Try doing a manual join - gameranger never did use the intended ports for joining games.

Assassin - that ruins the whole point of getting past the firewall in the first place. I want to get it to work so I am able to host games off of GR, not so everyone has to be bothered with manually joining.

hey, does anyone have any ideas how to i can host from behind an asante router hooked up to a cable modem?

          sheesh 1 at a time...vapor well start with the Ez one...ok so it worked you can join games and play,good however i think the airport does not let anyone join your game...it's trying to use the ports GR gives it and the port the airport uses are toatly diffrent. try hosting a game without GR, they would have to join by IP and port(of the airport).
        i think there is a way to get around an airport...i know a few people with an airport and they did the same thing i told you, and it worked for some and it dident for others. try caling your ISP and ask them for the ports. i can find out for you but try what i said about hosting without GR.you still have not  answered my question do you have a router?
     anyways to brian now, do the same exact thing i told vapor...if it does not work you will have to log into the router and find the correct info and place it into the TCP/IP this should get you in front of the firewall and kill the 5 min loads o and btw DMZ hosting is for a server i think i tryed that and it messed up my router i think grifter had a diffrent router, i got a links so brian give or take a little if nothing works i can find out you. just give me the name brand and model and i will find out.   ;D
*DAMN Snake   ::)

Whooo, ok, let me try this.
I personally have an ibook, and am on an airport card with a linksys router. My hosting is...warpy, so i dont host, but it does work.

My linksys router may not be the same as your airport base station, but the same principles are in use, there are 2 important components to hosting through a firewall.

First thing though, if you have DHCP server enabled for your router, the dmz and port forwarding may and probably wont work. So manually set an ip and router address. etc,.

1. DMZ Hosting, like other said, it puts that particular computer in front of the firewall. Just type in your ip where you enable dmz hosting.

2. Port forwarding, as most of you know(cough**ejo**), the port that we manually join ?a game that is hosted through gr is port 15000. This port is the one gr uses. If you host manually through rs its 2346, or whatever you set it to. Now, port forward port 15000 for the particular computer you want to host, and that should be it.

Now, your computer is in front of the firewall, and it will forward all requests for port 15000 to your ip, so it should work.

I hope this helps, pm me if you want more help
Later

o i remember now DMZ is for airport hosting...and what i gave instructons for was how to get infront of a firewall to receive info from a router. but no one can connect to you because you still have a firewall called an airport... 8)

My AirPort is hooked directly to my cable modem. How do I set up a DMZ?

Yeah, but where do I enable the DMZ?

Ok, well after Xoclipse and I played around with it, we got it so I can host. However, we ran into another problem - only one person is able to join and get into the game. Anyone know what the hell is going on?

Vapor, I have the same *&@$ing problem. But I just got used to it. I think us cool Airport people have no hope. ::)

ok i found this, http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/794/600pat.html this should explain the ports problem so you know which port is and what it does.
*DAMN Snake ? ::)

ok i think i got it try this vapor and anyone behind a DAMN FIREWALL!  ;D
NAT (Network Address Translation)
NAT is used to share one IP address among several computers. A device set up as a NAT
router uses a collection of ?private? IP addresses (in the range 10.0.1.2 to 10.0.1.254) to allow
several computers to access the Internet using one ?public? IP address. When a computer
using a private IP address requests information from the Internet, the NAT router keeps a
record of the computer making the request, and sends the information to the Internet using
its own IP address. When the response comes back from the Internet, the NAT router
forwards the packet to the appropriate computer.
IP subnet
An IP subnet is a local network as defined by IP network numbers. Connecting to a subnet
involves connecting to the appropriate hardware network and configuring IP for
that network.
you will need to turn the nat check box on somplace in the program that the airport uses...

Now configuring your computer for IP connections

To set up your computer for IP connections, you need to make sure your computer is
connected to the right network and make sure that IP is configured correctly.
Selecting a network
With an Ethernet network, you choose the network by connecting an Ethernet cable to the
Ethernet port on your computer.
With AirPort, you use the AirPort application or Control Strip module to choose an available
AirPort network.
Configuring IP
Configuring IP consists of two steps: selecting a networking interface and selecting a
configuration method.
You choose a networking interface from the ?Connect using? pop-up menu in the TCP/IP
control panel. Choose Ethernet if you are connecting to an Ethernet network. Choose
AirPort if you are connecting to an AirPort network.
You choose the configuration method from the Configure pop-up menu in the TCP/IP
control panel. The three most frequently used methods are PPP, DHCP, and Manually.-- PPP is used for dialup connections to the Internet.
---DHCP is used frequently on Ethernet networks and by DSL or cable modem providers.
--- Manual configurations are used on Ethernet networks and sometimes by DSL and cable
modem providers which doing the step i posted before should ge you infront of that damn firewall  ;D,Your ASP  should provide you with the appropriate configuration information. phew...that a load of typing there.
well if you don't understand anything let me know

*DAMN Snake   ::)

Ok more stuff...
when inside the base station application go to networking thats were the NAT is located, also you need to check the "share a range of IP addresses". it says you need to use DHCP but don't. now the beginning IP addy should be 10.0.1.x any number the computer is not useing for the network, and the ending IP addy should be the same so you are decating one IP so that people can join, now let me explain what was happning before. xoc was connecting with that IP address and the airport would allow it, but when another user tried to connect the airport,it was giving it another IP which did not connect to anything. thus, no one could connect to you game but 1. by doing this it will devote one IP addy to your comp so several people can join  ;D
phew...not i am done
*DAMN Snake   ::)

Ok. All that shit didn't work. When I clicked "Share range or IP Addresses" and it said all this shit when I went to update the base station. This is really pissing me off. I put everything back to how it was and if you want to private message me on GR and walk me through it step-by-step to do it then do that. But for now, fuck it.

bah...ok i'll ask a networking guy at work on monday, o and those were my father instruction's so give or take a little hes not a networking ?major...but i will find out from a pro just wait till monday ?;D