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I have a problem with 3rd person being used in CBs, it is clearly not realistic ( RS tries to be as realistic as possible so turning it off would benifit the game) and i think it is a newbie crutch like turning off ret. knock.  I think 3rd person should be banned from CBs and BL because of those reasons. Feel free to start up an arguement. >=)
moooo

    Hell, I'm with you on this one, Cow. I always have 3rd disabled on my host, and refuse anyone who asks me to turn it on. In my experience, it's only used to cheat the mechanics of the game by allowing you to see while fully behind cover.

It's useful, however, a rusher like me is just slowed down by it. Personaly, I think that every option other than of couse Show Enimeys and Auto aim should be on, 'cause hey, it's somthing that some people might use. Options like that, Reticule Knock, etc, while they may not be on in all games, in a cb, I think they should be, Just my thoughts.

-Typhy

I am with Cow on this one 3rd person is gay, on bunkers it is really gay...just stay in the trench and look and ?:P anyone coming in to rush. same as for chalet all you have to do is stay on the little hill and camp with C4. 3rd should be banned ?;D

While not somthing that I ever use, I think that it's somthing that can be used tward your advantage in RS, it is used in commen games, and isn't somthing that should be restricted. I mean, there are some things that may be hard to go up against, like Oso with C4, however, you just gotta learn the tricks.

I say, turn on auto aim, off reticle knock, off with all heart beat things outside of the original, and let me not be an RS n00b.

I actually didn't know you could restrict 3rd person.  I guess with C4 it becomes important because in R6 if you used 3rd you would get mightily owned.

lol, 3rd in R6 that would help 5 % of my game  ;D

It sure couldn't make my R6 game any worse!

i've never been able to use 3person.. it just seems like a waste of time to me. I just run out and kill/die, i don't wait to be killed.

Indeed, 3rd person is unrealistic. It has actually saved my ass numerous times. If 3rd person is disabled, then so should HBS in my opinion.

3rd person is part of the game, i personally dont use it but it shouldn't just be blown off because people dont want to deal with it.

So, to conclude the arguement, 3rd person is ghei.

Why what is wrong with HBS? I remember for a short while someone people would ban it because it was not a real item.  I will try to look for it online =/.  3rd person should HAVE to be disabled though even though it is apart of the game.  What is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular.  In this case it is 3rd person.  I think next season 3rd person should be banned

Sorry for the double post but there is no such thing as an HBS =( http://www.agr-s.com/html_reports/fieldreport0002.htm
read the guys post from redstorm (below the article).  I guess HBS should go then to?

Well, the technology to sensor heartbeats is in fact real, the way that it is put on the map was fake but it has to be done someway so yes it is real and should be allowed.  They are just improving the realism for the future game...

3rd person is wholly fake though.

bondo does this mean it will be removed?

if i remember correctly, there will be no third person view in raven shield, dont know about ghost recon

Well, this isn't Raven Shield, it's just a part of the game, I agree, that if you take that off, you gotta take off HBs, all that it does is act as an HB, takes about the same time to get out.

I never said fake things are to be removed.  Like most things in the rules, if both sides agree on something it is allowed so if both sides want to disallow 3rd person it is ok to do so.

well most of the things in RS are fake

HBS -Not Real
all the other HBS dellios-Not Real
Geting shot in the arm and still hit somewhat acuratly with a saw-Totaly not real

RS is fake no doute about it but boohoo i know people that play permently in 3rd person and they own whats the big deal

Actually, yes the HB sencor is real, it's a simple hand held thing that you look at, and it will detect a beating heart. Yes, the RS one is unrealistic, however, a HB sencor is real. You can't aim somewhat acuratly with a SAW when you've been hit in the arm! The reticule is giant! Actually, on some Heckler and Kotch guns, I do belive the G36K even, it will display a HB along the handle of it, for greater range, units may be placed on the floor.

Being able to shoot accurately with a SAW would already be a start...

yah i bet that thing ways alot

heh

Bullshit.

Weighs, not ways, actually, I belive that the SAW it's self isn't all that heavy, the ammo though, when you cary that much of it, it adds a lot of weight.

Since when do we use heavy machine guns on the run?

You don't normaly, the SAW is mostly used for covering an area, if I ever use a SAW, it's only for covering, on the run, I will take my pistol over it.

Check this out.

http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/7e931335d515626a8525628100676e0c/0678d19b6a3890f98525628100765697?OpenDocument

Read what it says carefully.

I would estimate the gun weighs about 12Kgs.

Thanks, that was helpful, some interesting facts about it there also.

Banning Hbs, and 3rd person because its not real is pretty funny.  If you want real we should:
All buy  guns of our choice from some black market gun show, go to a large city street, or a 747, or an opera house In Los Angeles or somewhere, and start shooting at eachother.

Lol, I agree.

Tyhpy there is no HBS sensor

SK, yes there is, just not in the way it is presented in R6 and RS. ?Scientifically the heart does give off a particular frequency range that can be picked up and located by current technology.  Oh, and the jammers and stationary ones are technologically possible as well.

What isn't real is that you can just see it on your map and that it distinguishes between friendlies and enemies (not to mention the unreal ability to know where your teammates are without any item).

Can't we just chalk that last one up to extremely good communication?

Well, Ghost Recon settles all of these issues that you bitch and whine about. There is no 3rd person while you are still alive, there are sensors, but they are sound based, and it is realistic to know where your teammates are due to the land warrior system.

As for Bondo, there is no such thing as a jammer...what you amy be thinking about is an artificial heartbeat creator...a machine that mimicks a heartbeat and throws the sensors off (hbs pucks).

As for you morons about the SAW. A SAW can be fired with extreme accuracy when in a prone or lying down position. However, it fires like shit when you are standing upright or moving while firing (whether you are injured or not)

My opinion would be to ban 3rd person because I cant recount how many times some slut would be hiding around a corner and moving his body around in third person waiting for me with c4.

To correct me is to assume I have a clue what I'm talking about when it comes to RS...I was assuming the real world type of blocker would obviously do so by sending out fake signal rather than hiding the signal although maybe it could run some sort of interference that would prevent it from being picked up?

Banning a certain part of the game, such as 3rd person is ridiculous. If you start banning one thing in the game, people will want other stuff banned. Believe it or not, people use 3rd person for more then just camp. Personally, I look around corners before I move in with HBS because people always jammer now (unlike the noob days when HBS could actually pick up Heartbeats) You guys complain that peole use 3rd person in cb's to C4 ? Then why don't ban the stupid C4.

3rd person is part of the game. Instead of bitching about it, try learning how to use it well, and then you won't bitch so much. I garentee everyone who wants 3rd banned are people who don't use it, and hate getting killed by it. "If you can't beat em, join em" Learn how to use the freaking 3rd and stop complaining.

ultimo u are pissed because half your clan uses it for cheap ass kills, it is not part of the game it adds an unrealistic factor to the game.  HBS is not real but it IS in the game and is semi real, i would not be angered if HBS was banned or just jammers, cause those dont even exsist, HB pucks are ok cause you "Could" make a make HB.  But 3rd person is BS, camping behind boxes in Chem, OR looking around a corner.  It gives information you could only get  by exposing apart of your body for.  Ultimo there is no point of banning C4 cause that is completely real and if you ban 3rd person C4 will actually take skill to use.  Ultimo there is no way you can argue that 3rd person is fair to use.  I hope to all hell 3rd person is banned so games can finally be won the "more real way" instead of with that stupid NEWBIE CRUTCH.
moo

Here is why 3rd person is fair to use...because it was included as an option in the game.

I really hate people in MoH who use rockets...and shotties...and nades...and rifles, but I'm not going to ask them to be not allowed simply because they are n00b or coward weapons...no, I just take my mg and shoot a few bullets into the offending player's ass.

I use it and i want it banned...you might use it like you explained but others don't, they sit there and camp in 3rd. does not matter if it's C4 or not, it's cheap because you can look and have complete cover behind a wall or a hill. and thats why the patch made it so it could be disabled. it takes no skill to use 3rd.

Bondo your right it is apart of the game but it is kind of like an unwritten rule, people know it is not fair so they will not use it ( try not to, never played mohaa, i know i wouldn't).  3rd person is the same way, it takes NO skill, it is an option but so is ret knock and show enemies.  Ulti it is a lot easier for you not to use then for us all to learn it, it can go both ways.  3rd person should be banned and i still haven't found a reasonable arguement against it not being used.

I think that the reasonable arguement is the fact that it's part of the game, some people use it, get used to it. SA HB sencor is unrealistic, so should it be ban? Some people use 3nd person to their advantage, good for them. It's an option in the game that should be on.

Ult, I used 3rd person when necessary...you also bring up another point that I have always advocated -  BAN C4 FROM CB's!

Hell no Sin! While often used as a camping weapon, C4 can be the most tactical weapon that there is, Setting traps with it, False HB Pucks, SA sencors etc. C4 is a great weapon. GOD BLESS THE C4!

typhy the fact that it is in the game does not mean it has to be used.  I would gladly sacrafice 3rd person and all of my HBS for a more realistic game.  Since it is part of the game so is Show enemies and Ret knock.  Get this too! they are all unrealistic and they are all options.  Sinec those things all have the same proporties why not turn all of them on.  3rd person can be used for strategy but a unrealistic one.  It is still a newbie crutch.

I know cow, my post that you see on this page was a response to Ult trying to attack my post on page two. As for game features, you forgot auto aim.

who decides the BL rules anyways?

Is 3rd person unrealistic ? yes . Was Redstorm trying to make a completley realistic game ? no . Banning 3rd person after a year and a half of the game coming out in febuary 2001, would be not only ridiculous, but flat out stupid.

Ok fellas, this is the deal. Personally I will use 3rd person sometimes to look around corners before i go down a corridor or something, and i dont cheat with it, But i will tell you, i have seen countless people, for example, on Met, They will wait on one side of a hall, behind cover, wait till the opposing player is half way there, strafe out, and kill them. That is almost impossible to defend against. A strafe out with prefire, but, there is a way to defend agains it. If you use 3rd person, like if use hbs, you know, to defend against hbs, you use jammers, Right?

3rd is the same, learn it, and you will be able to work against it, be smart, think, would i be on that corner, throw a frag to be sure. But it is part of the game and it should stay, some people abuse it, some dont, but it should not be banned.

I too agree with Cow, if other didnt use 3rd I would never use it but it gives an advantage to a player so I encourage my team to use it to keep up with other clans, but I would like to see it banned
my 2cents
voods

Mauti, Elandrion, and I are the primary rules people but all the admins have say.

About auto-aim, I guess that would be part but really, I don't think that argument needs to be made...wouldn't be much point with auto-aim on.

I dont think autoaim should be alowed becasue its totaly cheap , its cheaper than 3rd person but i think 3rd person should stay

But autoaim is just kindov a lame excuse to get kills

i think it should not be alowed

SK

SK are you russian? Why have everyone else learn when only a hand full of people use it? And if 2 people are in the same hall hiding behind the corned then they are camping. and the last thing anyone needs is everyone using it so we have newbs jumping out behind corners.   The more people that know it the more mistakes that will be made with it and the less happy we will all be. Could you imagine a game where everyone is behind a corner and the first person to run out gets blasted.  Wtf is that? thats not a game thats cheap ass camping.  Ulti time has nothing to do with this.  Things change all the time.  THere is not rule that goes "Well a year and a half has passed that means we can't change the rules.".  Ulti since you are defending 3rd person so strongly i can only assume you are one of the people that use it to "cheat".  
moo

Heh, I like the way this subject was brought up and we can all simply make it real easy on ourselves.  All we ALL have to do is simply always CB with 3rd Person off since we all agree we don't like it.  Then when you get into a CB where the opposite team specifically asks for it, you can know what to expect.  Hell, they shouldn't be using it in the first, so might as well let it be known if they are one of those cheap 3rd person bastards in the first. ;)  Wow, a lot of 3rd Person Campers are going to be discovered now! ;D Mwuahahahahahahahahah 8)

Rapid those are probably some of the best words i have heard come out you mouth.  Good solution!

Normally, I use first person, but due to this debate I figured that I ?would try out 3rd person just for kicks.
The first map I tried was bunkers, and all i could say was wow. 3rd person view is WAYYYY to powerful. If I positioned the camera I could see the whole enemy front from behind one of the bunkers.

I think that 3rd preson should not be allowed in cb's unless both sides agree.

2 final thoughts, both for Rapid
1. We are not all in agreement. While Ultimo is the only out-spoken opposition to removing 3rd person, there may be others who have not weighed in on the issue yet.
2. Glad to see you got your account back.

Personaly, I think that 3nd person should be off, however, opon request, it may be turned on, Good point Rapid, if someone asks for it on, you will know what to expect.

3rd person should be banned without question. It's way too powerful.

I wish people would use HBS less (or not at all). The way the game is played without it is much more intense.

Just because something is in the game doesn't mean it should be used (especcially in clan battles). Show enemies and auto-target are the same type of things.

Personally I would like it to be as realistic as possible. That way when 3 of my team are battling 3 of another team in Rogue Spear it's as close to 3 of my team and 3 of another team having a firefight in real life.

That means no HBS (it'll be different in Raven Shield but right now the little map? lol) and definetly no 3rd person.

Of course I'll never get everyone feeling this way. Too many people think that HBS actually exists.

colin there is a lot of talk about HBS but at least there is a visable and tangable counter to it unlike 3rd person so in some cases it is fair to have.  EVeryone now uses jammers and  HBS so they cancel each other out.  I don't mind it because it hardly matters now.

Thrid Person is apart of this game. I'm against "banning" it because it's a tactic, learn to deal with it. ?Usually only the real veterens learn how to use it on and off with first person as well. ?It's like what I did to Bondo last night in MOHAA, the lean while walking is a dodging tactic. ?When playing a video game you use anything and everything to win. ?

You guys have to get over the fact that thrid person is unfair or unreal. ?You guys keep talking about how unrealistic it is yet you're playing a video game which is unrealistic? ?If thrid person is going to be turned off then by all means please turn off the reticules as well since they're not realistic enough for Rogue Spear. ?:)

    This is an excellent example of how 3rd person is mainly used to circumvent the gameplay. Your HBS no longer works because people are smart enough to use jammers, so you use 3rd person to bypass their jammers.

    Playing RS, especially in CBs, should be about skill. Using 3rd person to gain knowledge that you could not have normally (seeing around corners, over walls, etc.), especially because you gain that knowledge with no risk of being shot at, is at best extremely cheap and is at worst cheating.

    Yeah, it's part of the game. So is auto-aim. Auto-aim would reduce skill to the lowest common denominator, so no one allows it. I argue that 3rd person has much the same effect, yet people use it, some even while acknowledging that it's borderline cheating.

    Finally, why has reticule knock been brought up in this discussion as something unrealistic? Don't you think that if a big rifle bullet hit you in the chest, you'd probably get knocked around by it?

Eh?  I never called it unrealistic, I know that it is, I just think it sucks.

I think we have finally kicked this horse enough and it it obvious that there is no real arguement for 3rd person.  So its just up to the admins to change the rules or not.  Mb we can have our own unoffocial poll.  EVen better Mauti can put the poll on the website.  Regaurdless i am saying no to 3rd person

I'd say Viper's got a point. And besides, where would possibly use 3rd person? The proper usage of a HBS should do the job, don't you think? And if someone in the opposite team has a HBS jammer, that's just a risk I'd say you'd be willing to take... Well, at least I would. :)

i find it interesting that only members from KoS a really trying to defend 3rd person......

Cow, you are starting to get on my nerves. First you say that I am the only one defending it so it must mean I "cheat with it". Then you say only "KoS" members are defending it. (Keep in mind that Lothario is in KoS, and he is for banning it)

Unlike many other players, the RS vets learned how to play the game of RS with no Bans. My whole way of playing is based around 3rd person. Not to camp, but certain area's of maps, I know people usually are, so I 3rd before I rush in to make sure it's not a trap. I learned how to play the game a certain way, and to take it away now would be unfair. You talk about how 3rd person is unfair to you ,think about how unfair it is to the players that love using it. You don't care... because you don't use it, simple as that. I bet if you actually leanred how to use it, you wouldn't be complaining. I guess it is too much trouble for you to hit that little F1 button, so you just wanna ban the whole thing, just cuz you don't use it.

Whats next, people wanna ban the PDW because it has too good of accuracy ? Give me a break man.... the whole idea of banning part of the game is ridiclous. The only thing that I can see result from this is people leaving RS, including myself. There are too amny good games out there, for me to be sitting back and let you mess up this one. This game is a great game, so don't fuck around with it, and ban half of the games features.

I totally argee with Ult, and I will tell you why.

I was like you Cow, i hated 3rd person b/c I always thought it was gay and unfair. The reason I hated it, was becasue I was getting owned around simple corners.

So, unlike many of the lazy RS players, I actually set my shift key for 3rd, and I started to try to use it. I practiced and practiced, and I finally got used to it, and now it is a big part of my game.

For you to say, to ban it is bs because #1 if it wsa such a problem and so many protested it, UbiSoft would have taken it out of the game with the RS updates. But, lest i am mistaken, more then 70% of the players use it.

So i'm sorry, if you are bitter b/c u are getting smoked by ?a smarter way of seeing things, then I feel sorry for u, b/c you have no will to get any better.

And you talk about realistic? How many swat teams do you see break out of formation and go solo throughtout the map?

Instead of running around corners like a manic b/c u can read it on your hbs, why don't u slice the pie or even better prefire at busy areas in the map.

whoah whoah whoah wait dest no will to get better?  You are prolly still toting some PDW/AK47 running around thinking you the shit cause you can pop newbs with your near perfect automatic 3rd personing around corners.  While I on the other hand mastered a Skorp and now trying to master Pistols Only, not to mention that my clans next win puts us in the TOP 10 WITH pistols only.  Dest i push my self harder then anyone on GR as far as i am concerned so don't give me shit on the will to get better.  
I think 3rd person is a cheap way looking around corners instead of sticking your head out.  If everyone used it, everyone would be waiting till someone had the balls to step out and they would get popped.  Careful what you wish for dest, cause once everyone knows how to use it RS is gonna suck.  

And whats the main reasons all the n00bs are gonna find out and abuse 3rd person, posts like this that you started, not us !

1st   a skilled person should be able to handle somone using 3rd person :P

2nd  3rd person is part of the game, so it should be kept on.

3rd  people say 3rd person is unrealistic, and I agree,  so I'm with ejo  on the thought that for a good realistic game, turn 3rd person off, all hb devices off, all weps on, retic knock on, and all noobs out  hehe    :-[

Is there not a hotkey then to throw yourself out?

LoL Cow!  That didn't take long! ;)  

Well, we now know who are some of the cheapos using it! ;D

Damn Cow, you might even be causing them to quit cuz they feel at such a disadvantage without it! :D  Now I find THAT hilarious! 8)

lol beefy ouch hehe   ;D
ya, i'm noobalishous

rapid, stfu, u use it too

You wanna know what I find hilarious, Rapid?
I find hilarious the fact you're soon to become the only guy in Heaven with a freakin' wheelchair. And I'll personally make to it that that happens.

Rapid's gonna make it to heaven ? wow

I sence this turning into a Rapid bashing thread... Come on guys, let's keep this on the intended subject. Ultimo, I know a lot of people who do use 3nd person, and the last people that would ever use it are: Me, Rapid and Hitman, we're rushers, I can always tell that things are getting into Rapid bashing when all reason leaves the subject, As for the actual intended subject, come on, RS is based around being realistic, howerver, come on, it's a game, if you want realismn, go to some warehouse and start shooting eachother, come on, As was said before, 3nd person is part of the game, and part of being the best is knowing how to deal with it.

anyone willing to give pointers on knowing how to deal with it? as far as i am concerned anyone with a jammer and 3rd personing behind a corner is a freaking ghost.  So, if you pros know how to deal with 3rd person so well mb you guys can tell us what YOU do with your split second before the prefiring 3rd personer kills you.  Just wondering.
moo

First of all, after you use 3rd person alot, you tend to anticipate where other 3rd person users would be. Therefore you bring some nades, and you nade the corners in which they could be standing. Thats one way to counter it. Another way is to flank them. When someone is in 3rd person they have no fucking aim, so if you get behind them, they are dead. I can't count how many times that has happened to me when I was using 3rd.

#rd person has its advantages, but it also has many disadvantage. But ofcourse, you guys tend to not look at those, making it seem like 3rd person is some almight cheat or some shit.

sigghhhh.... ok ty for the tips so when PO beats KoS for first place remember they were your tips

Well, someone battling against KoS is a potential, however -PO-? Or was that a joke...

hey AK we are not done with you! next time it will be a 2v2 b3 and i.  we will show you the true power of PO!

Lol,  yeah get rid of Casper :) We will rematch you, however, we would perfer more people, the more people, the more points, do you have 5 for a 5v5?

ya how about a 5v5 cause lag was so great when we did a 3v3.  A 2v2 should be fine you wouldn't get many points from us anyways.

Well, If we get good posts, 4v4 or 5v5 should be np.

ok then find me 2 more members =)

Okay, I will.

(http://www.fubarclan.org/fubar/forum/images/smiles/offtopic.gif) Stop your spam, use that thing called email and private messages.

Yes, I guess that when we go back and forth, we should use PM or AIM.

can someone kick Viper off these forums?

He does not eve play RS..i'm sick of his parenting on these forums!

ha-ha-ha

Aaaaaww, isn't that sweet...?

Ok, most of the last page of this thread has been spam, clean it up or it will be locked.
Besides, Ace already locked it once...