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Title: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 21, 2005, 11:31:48 am
I was playing in [a] Ferret's room tonight. I played for about an hour, some damn fun games. Dark was there, as well as 7 or 8 others.

Everything was going fine, everyone was getting along great, until Ferret accuses me of cheating, and kicks me.

I rejoined the room a few minutes later, after he had stopped the game, mostly looking for quotes to put in this post, and they easily provided them:

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|Po| KITKAT: did he admit it joe?
[a] ferret: fuck off typhy
|Po| KITKAT: is he gay?
=US= KillerXL: hello cheater
[a] ferret: your sad
[a] ferret: sad fucking player
-MP5-Typhy.19 days.S…: Thanks guys, that's what I needed to see.

I've never been one to just say "I don't cheat". I'd just assume prove it to the person, so that there's no question in THEIR minds either. I offered to shoot up a wall, to show that my shots spread apart, but he wasn't interested.

Back at RS, if someone accused you of cheating, you felt flattered, and thanked them. It's different at RVS. I don't care if one guy says "cheater", or something, just when they're irritated, but I don't appreciate someone spreading the bullshit that I'm a cheater.

I've also seen DR players get accused of cheating by newbies recently. I don't like that bullshit, I don't like hearing about it. I just had a chat with Po Kitkat, who was very reasonable, I explained the situation, and I explained why I took offense to people accusing me of cheating. Shame that Ferret and the others can't show the same level of maturity.

If I join a Ghost Recon game, I see people hit shots that appear to me to be impossible. I have to remind myself that these people have played the game for years, and refined their skills to an incredible level, so that they can hit seemingly impossible shots. It bothers me when GHR players don't expect this when they come to play RVS.

So, to those people. . . Killer, Ferret, and any others. . . I don't fucking cheat. You want to see the same stuff I was doing, watch the DR guys, any of the other MP5 guys, Niklot, Sheix, or any other experienced and skilled RVS player. To me, when you accuse me of cheating, you're saying "You're on a level so far above me that it seems impossible to me that we can be playing the same game". Obviously, it's no surprised that only a newbie would have that attitude. Read up, study up, and learn to play before you make bullshit acquisations.

Have a nice day,

Typhy


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: [a] ferret on June 21, 2005, 12:25:21 pm
lol   ::bussi:: ::applause::


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Stripes on June 21, 2005, 12:30:17 pm
***turns his rvs cheats off


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on June 21, 2005, 01:27:43 pm
i totally agree with u typhy. (thanks for metion me in ur post ;D ) Heroin.bob did something simialr too to me.. me and jooly were playing vs 6 noobs ( heroin was 1 of them) we won 7-0 the match. the reason why they lost was clear, jolly and i were cheating.......


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 21, 2005, 02:12:30 pm
Hey, if they're too weak to play you and need to make up lame excuses, their loss.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Stripes on June 21, 2005, 03:00:46 pm
im the best rvs player ever


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on June 21, 2005, 03:38:38 pm
I get accused of cheating at America's Army all the time.  My reply is usually just "hey dumbass, I'm on a mac...I would LOVE IT if someone would actually write a cheat for us!".  lol


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BFG on June 21, 2005, 05:26:36 pm
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I get accused of cheating at America's Army all the time.  My reply is usually just "hey dumbass, I'm on a mac...I would LOVE IT if someone would actually write a cheat for us!".  lol

Thats bloody brilliant! Shit i hope one day i can stop playing like a comatose retard in America's army and actually have the opportunity to say that!! ;)


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: (SiX)Sheixhundt on June 21, 2005, 06:05:57 pm
Typhy,

How thoughtful yet ironic that you would mention me in your post when im
"just an old, out-of-practice-noob" who's "lucky to be half as smart as you".

--quotes are yours---

It's spooky now that you mention that...at 34, im EXACTLY HALF as smart as I was at your age.
But at 68, my father is twice as smart as he was when I was 17 and HE was 34....wtf?

 ::duck::  <---duck, sucka


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: [a] kitkat on June 23, 2005, 12:42:35 am
**Deleted post***

Please dont spam again kitkat. Second time Ive had to delete your post.

Ill chalk this one up to connection failure and you reposted your post because you didnt think your other one went through.  ;)

thanks,
voo



Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: [a] kitkat on June 23, 2005, 04:16:01 am
**Deleted post***

Please dont spam again kitkat. Second time Ive had to delete your post.

Ill chalk this one up to connection failure and you reposted your post because you didnt think your other one went through.  ;)

thanks,
voo



Oh no problem.  That was straight up spam...  I was gonna go for a triple whammy, but my objective was reached.   ::bussi::


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Maniac on June 23, 2005, 04:54:58 am
Haha yeah Typhy is good and all that, but i can kill him anytime.;D I'm getting a new computer in august and i plan to play a lot then. Along with that i plan on making everyone in MP5 play MORE just because we won the BL doesn't mean we get to slack off dr is way to good for that, plus i enjoy victory. ;)


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: [:] Mr. T on June 23, 2005, 05:17:40 am
It must be really boring in Alaska.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 23, 2005, 06:15:48 am
It must be really boring in Alaska.

Yeah, living in the most beautiful place in the world, with some of the best flying, boating, fishing, hunting and skiing sure is boring. Kayak and beaver camping on outter islands, while watching whales, seals and sea lions play in the water 50 yards infront of you, pfft, what bordom. Yup, I sure living in a boring place.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: KGB on June 23, 2005, 09:19:46 am

Yeah, living in the most beautiful place in the world, with some of the best flying, boating, fishing, hunting and skiing sure is boring. Kayak and beaver camping on outter islands, while watching whales, seals and sea lions play in the water 50 yards infront of you, pfft, what bordom. Yup, I sure living in a boring place.
Could you please elaborate on that extra curiculum activity ?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 23, 2005, 09:26:28 am
Haha, Beaver = A midsized sea plane.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_GhostSniper on June 23, 2005, 03:15:00 pm
Haha, Beaver = A midsized sea plane.

He's referring to the DeHavilland of Canada DHC-2 Beaver.  It also goes by the U.S. Military designations L-20 and U-6 Beaver.  A picture of one can be found here:

http://www.warbirdalley.com/u6a.htm

and for the seaplane version look here:

http://www.mistyfjordsair.com/beaver.html


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 23, 2005, 07:15:35 pm
from cheating to flying beavers. natural topic progression I guess.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: KGB on June 23, 2005, 07:35:14 pm
(http://www.scouts.ca/products/03175.jpg)
So this has nothing to do with it ?
See my mind is not that dirty


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Guest on June 24, 2005, 04:46:41 am
Cheating accusations will always occur on RVS because it is IMO one of the more rampant games in terms of cheats being available for the mac in recent years. So with cheats being  that readily available would have to mean that there are users requesting it, would it not?
Unfortunately the game is nearing the end of its life cycle too so i would assume patches for some of the basic flaws in the game will never occur?
So RVS = good game but  poorly supported and updated allowing cheating and basic hacking to play too big a part!


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Maniac on June 25, 2005, 04:05:18 am
Cheating accusations will always occur on RVS because it is IMO one of the more rampant games in terms of cheats being available for the mac in recent years. So with cheats being  that readily available would have to mean that there are users requesting it, would it not?
Unfortunately the game is nearing the end of its life cycle too so i would assume patches for some of the basic flaws in the game will never occur?
So RVS = good game but  poorly supported and updated allowing cheating and basic hacking to play too big a part!
           
Lets see where do i start on this one, first off there is no cheating problem in RvS on Mac at all. People just get pissed off and accuse people of cheating, wine, and scream like a 1 year old crying for a bottle.
You seem to be one of them since you wont give us a real name anyways. RvS is not "at the end of it's life cycle", and it won't be for a while. I don't know how many times i have to say that some people are just really good at the game. Better than you, us, she, and he whatever doesn't matter. No one has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar yet so please stop being so pessimistic and have a beer. Cheer up man games are for fun after all.



Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Guest on June 25, 2005, 06:27:16 am
ROFLMAO no cheating problem ...then why am i now looking at a website where i can dload a mac cheat and wait it has 336 downloads.
THATS AT LEAST 336 PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE CHEATS WHETHER THEY USE THEM I DONT KNOW.
But its a reasonable assumption that if u dload a cheat u would use it, is it not?
If its not at end of life cycle why are Aspyr not updating it.
PC version has been updated since the last mac update???

But then again no need for update ..because there is no problem.
Denial is always a good option


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 25, 2005, 06:51:24 am
Actual RvS is at EOL in the eyes of UBI. They are finishing up R6:4 (lockdown) for the consoles.. due out in september. Once they put the finishing touches on that they will divert their efforts on making the PC specific version.

Either way, seeing as there aren't 336 RvS players on GR, I find your evidence difficult to believe. A anti cheat would be welcomed, but the only one I know of that worked is MIA due to some overall scheme. If it's not too much trouble please let us know who you are, for some reason the anonymous postings makes me suspicious of you. I don't think many people who visit cheat sites are there just for the DL counter.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Brutha on June 25, 2005, 08:45:13 am
Wether or not cheating is a problem, I can understand that someone goes "guest" on us in a post like that. One thing this community is not very good at is to accept that some people have different views. As for the cheaters out there(which I do belive there are some of, don't know who, and I don't suspect anyone in particular), I do believe some exist. Both in GhR and RvS. It's so damn easy to cheat in both games, but this community gets so damn defensive whenever someone cries "CHEAT" that I doub't we'll ever look further into it. So, instead of dismissing things all together, I think we should listen, and see what we can do about things. Crying cheater at every kill isn't very constructive, but to dismiss it all together as lies, flawed evidence, whining, and as bullshit in general is foolish.

We talked about cheating in B&G in GR once(me and Shade), with Evill, about finding some so that he could maybe make a block against them, when I got a PM from one of the Clanleaders of an RvS clan where I was told not to bother about trying to look into the cheats, he told me it was a waste of time. Maybe he ment it was a waste of time. Maybe he really ment it was a waste of time, but I felt a bit shocked that someone would discourage me from trying to find out how we could work against these cheats. So in short, don't tell me that the cheaters aren't around, specially when the cheats are so easy to get a hold of(for those of you who wonder, a cheat ap has been sent to Evill..dunno if he has done anything against it or if he even can, I am a comp noob).


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on June 25, 2005, 09:29:05 am
Theres an anti-chat softwear arround. BTs.Lee.Harvey's server has got a "cheat detector" (im talking about RvS) it cought 2 guys or more i only heard about 2 guys, and u know who these to guys were?? |3ID|_DB and A_Baked_Bean, now im not sure if i have to think about the anti-cheat softwear or about the rvs community... would be nice if we could know asap how good this anti cheatsoftwear is


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 25, 2005, 09:41:44 am
My stance on cheaters has always been the same: My clan doesn't cheat. We won the *DBL. The second placed clan was DR. They don't cheat. They're on the same level as us.

The best players in this community are in DR and MP5. None of them/us cheat. If there are cheaters out there, they're vastly inferior players, thus, I don't regard cheating as a problem in ths community.

"Guest", just as I do for anyone who posts as a "guest", I dismiss any "facts" that you give. If you're to cowardly to post under your real name, I sincerely doubt that any stats you give are accurate.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 25, 2005, 11:37:39 am
Yes there are anti hack mods that DO work for RvS.. I'm running one.. while it might not detect every hack.. it does detect some (and im not saying what ones it detects)BTs_bombastic and I are currently working on getting a web page up for the server on the BTs site to list who I have caught using cheats (and yes we have gotten a few so far. Monoman and I are also working on getting better anto hack mods working (not going to release this  one that is somewhat working yet.. dont want peeps to find ways around it yet)


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: ghost.fr on June 25, 2005, 01:28:19 pm
OK so now would u start a season in this condition????

would u play against people u dont trust so u get rapped and they look cool in there clan wause they are so great player/cheater

i wont

so found a solution to make CBs attractive or this season will be a fiasco again !!


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Maniac on June 25, 2005, 11:47:59 pm
The point i was making before the, "guest" came was when i say no one cheats, it means that no one cheats that matters. Like Typhy said MP5 and Dr are the best clans at RvS and none of us cheat. So these little idiots with their ret hacks can just get caught, but it's really just child's play. I would like to point out what Myst said also 336 people DON'T play RvS so anything that guy says is invalid.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Brutha on June 26, 2005, 07:06:20 am
this is funny though, MP5 and DR don't cheat. Ok, I believe that. I just find it funny that you guys think of those two clans only. There are other clans here that enjoy the game, that play further down on the ladder, that might come up against the cheaters and loose. Your arrogance gets me. These "vastly inferior players" play againts people not as good as you and beat other "vastly inferior players" and win...so it might in fact be a problem. Dr and MP5 are just TWO clans out there.

Maniac and Myst, your dismissal of what you typhy so nicely calls "proof" is poor. You can't dismiss his words by stating that 336 people don't play RvS on GR....there are other ways of playing RvS, so you can't go from "336 players don't play on GR", to "336 players don't play multiplayer RvS". Thats flawed logic, because I doubt you know everyone who playes over ip connect etc.

Harvey, didn't know you had an anti cheat ap running on your server, but it's great that you do.

I'll also keep defending "guest". Guess you'd have a corrupt president in America a bit longer, had it not been for a "guest" giving some facts to journalists. Plenty of evidence in the real world has been accepted from anonymous sources, so why should it be different here?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on June 26, 2005, 08:52:42 am
i dont know if any1 cares bout it but the GUEST was -aP-Pandabear. I realised it this morning when i was playing with him. he was talking about on pc world rvs is dead and mac world is lagging blablabla and some1 told me he hacked dont think hes anymore but he tried some hacks.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 26, 2005, 09:54:04 am
I don't think Pandabear has the brain power to write a complete sentence.

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this is funny though, MP5 and DR don't cheat. Ok, I believe that. I just find it funny that you guys think of those two clans only. There are other clans here that enjoy the game, that play further down on the ladder, that might come up against the cheaters and loose. Your arrogance gets me. These "vastly inferior players" play againts people not as good as you and beat other "vastly inferior players" and win...so it might in fact be a problem. Dr and MP5 are just TWO clans out there. 

You missed the point completely. I'm not saying "cheaters aren't a threat to us, so why should I care?", I'm saying that Dr and MP5 are proof that cheating isn't the way to win in this community.

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Maniac and Myst, your dismissal of what you typhy so nicely calls "proof" is poor. You can't dismiss his words by stating that 336 people don't play RvS on GR....there are other ways of playing RvS, so you can't go from "336 players don't play on GR", to "336 players don't play multiplayer RvS". Thats flawed logic, because I doubt you know everyone who playes over ip connect etc.

The biggest base of mac RVS MP players is GameRanger. It is logical to assume that many of those hits would've come from GR, the only mac RVS gaming community. Cheating is NOT an issue in this community. If there are cheaters out there, it is clear that their cheats do NOT give them a major advantage.

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'll also keep defending "guest". Guess you'd have a corrupt president in America a bit longer, had it not been for a "guest" giving some facts to journalists. Plenty of evidence in the real world has been accepted from anonymous sources, so why should it be different here?

If someone came to me on GR and said "I have information for you related to cheating. I want you to post it for me, and allow me to remain anonymous", that'd be far, far different. If someone had just started writing letters to the Washington Post, with information that sounded completely made up, and showed no real understanding of the topic they were talking about, no one would've taken them seriously either.

None of the "information" Guest has posted would put him in any danger, of any sort. Thus, his reason for posting as a guest can be determined, logically, to be wanting to stir shit up, and knowing that everyone would just laugh him off under his real name, because it would confirm his lack of knowledge.

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OK so now would u start a season in this condition?

would u play against people u dont trust so u get rapped and they look cool in there clan wause they are so great player/cheater

i wont

so found a solution to make CBs attractive or this season will be a fiasco again !!

Ghost, what the fuck are you talking about? Your ramblings contridict nearly every statement that has been made in this thread. Read before you post.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 26, 2005, 12:27:23 pm
I have already gotten one person who plays in  clan on the DBL ladder using a wall hack on my server... A few Key DBL admins know about this. I will not say the persons sn on here right now but you can look on my server page to find out :-P

http://www.battleteksquad.com/?area=server


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Brutha on June 26, 2005, 01:12:59 pm
Typhy, everytime soneone has said the word "cheating" in these forums or on GR theres always a lot of verbal abuse towards the person who said "cheating" out loud, no doubt about it. Both Dr and MP5 are very paranoid about being called cheaters. When this is said, no evidence what so ever has been produced against any players of these two clans, so there has been no reason to suspect them so far. But, if the motive of "guest" here was to raise our awareness of cheating, and if he thought it was an issue, I could understand that he wanted to be anonymous, because you guys haven't really been to forgiving in the past when it comes to i.e. admin decisions, and you haven't been to afraid of adressing these admins in GR. Perhaps this person didn't want that.....actually, even if he was only trying to start a flamewar, I'd understand(not sympathize) his decision to go incognito.

as for wether or not cheating is a problem(except at the top of the ladder, where it isn't), I find the debate on cheating interesting, and personal attacks should be avoided. Lets keep it constructive.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 26, 2005, 04:56:43 pm
as for wether or not cheating is a problem(except at the top of the ladder, where it isn't), I find the debate on cheating interesting, and personal attacks should be avoided. Lets keep it constructive.

i love it when people do my job for me.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Maniac on June 26, 2005, 09:13:13 pm
Ah so Pandabear was the one going as the guest. Funny because yesterday morning i get a PM form him saying; "how did you get so good", I replied, "practice". I don't know if he was trying to get me to say hacks or something so he could come on the forum, and get me since i was arguing with him here. Sneaky of him to play with my trust like that. Going anonymous then asking me that on GameRanger since i don't have problem with him which means i would answer honestly.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 26, 2005, 09:32:12 pm
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Typhy, everytime soneone has said the word "cheating" in these forums or on GR theres always a lot of verbal abuse towards the person who said "cheating" out loud

I started this thread, talking about cheating. I lead the intial investigation into cheating allegations, along with Harvey.

As an RVS player, I don't think it's in the best interest of the RVS community for people to be thinking that cheating is a major issue.



Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 26, 2005, 09:36:40 pm
Brutha, your prior post seemed to personally attack me. I trust you are just judging me based on how our texan team mate quotes me, but lets look at my original post:

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Actual RvS is at EOL in the eyes of UBI. They are finishing up R6:4 (lockdown) for the consoles.. due out in september. Once they put the finishing touches on that they will divert their efforts on making the PC specific version.

Either way, seeing as there aren't 336 RvS players on GR, I find your evidence difficult to believe. A anti cheat would be welcomed, but the only one I know of that worked is MIA due to some overall scheme. If it's not too much trouble please let us know who you are, for some reason the anonymous postings makes me suspicious of you. I don't think many people who visit cheat sites are there just for the DL counter.

I didn't say anything that was outright rejecting his claim. I know the cheats exist, I just don't believe anyone is actually using them. The reason everyone doesn't want to talk about them is quite obvious; noob/poor players who read this may begin to get interested and try to track down some sort of mac cheat. The less we talk about it in such a way, the longer those at the top have to figure out how to prevent it.

This entire thread should have been wiped out already but that's so republican of me. On the topic of politics you brought up, as previously stated, that person actually knew something. From what we've heard so far this time around, someone has found a site, found mac cheats, went to the downloads section. There is nothing to debate when it comes to cheating, we just need to figure out how to block it.

P.S. I live in Canada, not America.

P.P.S. Corrected my bad. Spike, you sure love making half quotes out of context, perhaps you should talk to me personally if you have this big of a "beef".


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 26, 2005, 09:44:14 pm
uh, myst, hate to break it to you, but shade hasnt posted in this thread. Unless you are pronouncing "Brutha" as "Shade" but who knows, thats how you Canadians might do.

And really, I don't see any reason to lock this thread. Everyone knows there are cheats. Actually myst, your particapation in this thread is quite funny, as I remember you threatening me, saying "I can ruin the RvS community, imagine publically hosted hacks."


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 27, 2005, 12:08:13 am
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I didn't say anything that was outright rejecting his claim. I know the cheats exist, I just don't believe anyone is actually using them. The reason everyone doesn't want to talk about them is quite obvious; noob/poor players who read this may begin to get interested and try to track down some sort of mac cheat. The less we talk about it in such a way, the longer those at the top have to figure out how to prevent it.

LOL... There are alot more peeps then you think using them.. hell I got 2 peeps in the fist 3 days of having the anti hack mods in the server. there realy are alot of peeps using hacks due to the fact that a few guys desided to post links to some hacks in the main chat of the B&G a little while ago. If hacking was not such a problem i would not have a need to run anti hack software on my comp... or try to find better vers of it that will catch more hacks.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 27, 2005, 12:41:39 am
Are you going to give the BL this anti-hack so they can distribute/make it standard?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 27, 2005, 12:43:23 am
well, if lee.harvey would like to host most of the rvs cbs, i think that we could get along fine(what with his amazing server and all)


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Mysterio on June 27, 2005, 01:17:52 am
It may prove difficult to schedule the CBs all for one server. Unless of course we went to a full-schedule CB set up.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: [a] kitkat on June 27, 2005, 01:18:25 am
What would be especially entertaining is if Harvey catches someone who likes to talk about how cheating is bad and that 'they' would never do it.

That will make my day.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 27, 2005, 09:17:54 am
Are you going to give the BL this anti-hack so they can distribute/make it standard?

they know about it.. but some of it is still in testing stages


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Brutha on June 27, 2005, 11:04:31 pm
Well, at least someone is doing something


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 27, 2005, 11:21:53 pm
Well, at least someone is doing something

Not that anything actually needs to be done.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Brutha on June 27, 2005, 11:24:58 pm
You don't believe that, I do believe that...apparently a lot more are believing it. And for the record, the way you go on about there is no need, doesn't actually help your statement of being innocent(I do believe you are, but it might be seen as a very defensive statement).


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Typhy on June 27, 2005, 11:27:25 pm
In my country, one is innocent until proven guilty. I have nothing to prove.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Brutha on June 27, 2005, 11:31:33 pm
so, the damn community is different how? As I see it, you haven't been charged with cheating and recieved a ban at all....as for people? they make up their minds no matter how much evidence there exists against someone.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 27, 2005, 11:49:13 pm
Officially *DAMN doesn't know of anyone who is actually cheating. We know what the hack is, and we have been exploring options in how to stop it.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Saberian 3000 on June 28, 2005, 12:10:51 am
Well, Looking at this thread I just feel that I should post another opinion based on this circumstance.  I do think what Lee Harvey did is an excellent deterrent against hackers on his server and believe that it is a good point for saying that people do use Hacks.  Granted most people dont based on the fact that most people have integrity online to where they want to be the best that they can be and not the best that can be achieved by cheating.  In the end there really is no fun in cheating.  But there is obviously an issue out there with cheaters, no matter how small the issue may be, it is still out there. 

I am not saying that it is a big issue out there but it is obviously there.  As for the porting of the game and the support for it, it would be nice of Aspyr to put out all these patches for the game but in this case they cant cover every issue, especially ones such as this where people take the script of the game and try to benefit by hacking the software to play better.  As we know with our PC counterparts they have way more issues then we do when it comes to hacking so for the most part I think Aspyr did OK in that aspect.  Porting a script from PC to Mac is not always the easiest thing but I must admit, they are getting better as the company get's older. 

Now about using RS as an example of people not cheating.  Well, RS is kind of a poor example to use for the reason that most of us that were playing when RS was the hot thing were somewhat new to the Mac Gaming experience and because we were using a different platform then the PC counterpart is why we did not assume that people were really making hacks, but people were.  otherwise why would they have an anti-cheat mod for that game, which I still have on disk heh.  In any event ANY game can be hacked. 

So If someone believes that they are cheating on their server, I do believe that they have the complete right to kick anyone they want off of their server.  Just dont play on that server.  That is the beautiful thing about setting up a server to play is that you can make the rules.  Would it matter if they kicked you from the server because they think you are cheating or should they just say that they dont like you and kick you?  Either way it sucks but it is their choice.  I am pretty sure myself that you dont cheat but you will never know for sure, no matter how good they suddenly get or how good you always play.  But it's not like you cant get onto another server, right?

Keeping it as being a game in perspective is a hard thing, especially when someone is testing your honor within the clans or outside of the clans, since most of us try to be who we are to keep things somewhat real, but in the end we have to remember that it is only a game.  I have not always followed that principle myself but I do try and keep a firm perspective of where I lay within that realm.  So as long as you are comfortable to knowing that you dont cheat and others that matter know as well then there really shouldn't be an issue right?

Saberian


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on June 28, 2005, 02:16:31 pm
nice statement, but your hole text resumes just this thread nothing really new and ur messge is: fucking hackers stop this shit, u cant always cheat just cuz u want to get better, imagin real life: you dont have enough money and instead og work u go and steal some money.  ::sniper::
 but i agree 100% with your point of view


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Maniac on June 28, 2005, 11:01:07 pm
 Yeah i agree too most people should want to just get good on their own, but some people are lazy and like to take the easy way out.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on June 29, 2005, 10:28:55 am
Officially *DAMN doesn't know of anyone who is actually cheating. We know what the hack is, and we have been exploring options in how to stop it.

Dont you mean the hackS b/c there are about 5 major .u hacks and a few others that are even harder to detect. Lucky the PC community has changed the way they hack Rvs now to beat punk buster and the new way is a way that us mac guys cant use. so once we find a way to get all these hacks detected.. we dont have to worrie for a while.... unless someone out there figures out how to make new hacks just for the mac ver.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on June 29, 2005, 01:57:28 pm
The DBL has looked over one of the major hacks, and I would be interested in looking into the other ones.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Lee Kirton on July 03, 2005, 04:02:09 pm
just outta curiosity, what do these cheats allow players to do?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BFG on July 03, 2005, 05:03:12 pm
Oh come on... is this for a 'friend' who was interested? ;) can you make yourself appear any more dodgy by not logging into your account and then asking a question like that!!!  :D

... what do the cheats do? spoil the fun for everyone else.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: .vooDoo. on July 03, 2005, 08:43:38 pm
Wall Hack - Glowing figure behind walls
Reticule lock
no recoil
a few others.

The real nasty ones have aim bots. You shoot anywhere and it finds your head. Most of these I havnt seen work properly on the Mac side. Lost of wierd code will be displayed in the console for all to see.

BFG is right, It makes for an unpleasent game and for lots of Paranoia in the community.

voo


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BFG on July 03, 2005, 10:01:10 pm
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Wall Hack - Glowing figure behind walls
Reticule lock
no recoil
a few others.

The real nasty ones have aim bots. You shoot anywhere and it finds your head. Most of these I havnt seen work properly on the Mac side. Lost of wierd code will be displayed in the console for all to see.

Thats just the start in fact, there are a whole host of others but vood's has certainly highlighted a couple of the most common/


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on July 04, 2005, 09:59:22 am
lets see... where should i start...

Wall hack, Glowskin, team area glow (other team makes the area there are in glow there team color), Retlock, no recoil, auto aim, auto fire, ESP (tells you directions each person playing is), Visabilty alert (lets you know when an enimy is visable to you even if they are behind you.. with auto aim.. makes you turn right to them), Nade cam (gives you a small window in cornaer of screen when you throw a nade.. you can use it to look around where the nade lands untill it explodes), Enimy cam (same as nade cam but give lets you see what your closest enimy is looking at), Quick fire, no reload, max ammo, GOD MODE (cant be killed by bullets only by nades). and these are just half of the hacks.

How do I know about them....... Well i have to test the anti hack mods somehow.. I never use them in real games and as everyone knows I am totaly against hacking.. thats why im tring to get anti hacks to work right. most of these hacks you cant even realy tell someone is running them by watching them or by looking in the console.. and alot of these hacks were disabled with the last Rvs update b/c the PC hacks changed the way they do hacks using exe files that us on mac cant do (thank god). The current anti hack im running now can pick up when someone cuts on some of these hacks (but sometimes missreads someone using a thermal scope as someone using a wall hack. But I soon hope to have a new one running (got the info on it today) that will catch all of these hacks and will tell me exactly what hack they are running (the actual name of the hack file that these individual hacks are coded into)


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on July 04, 2005, 02:13:42 pm
Godammit harv, thats how you were owning me the last time I was on your server? shittt. :D.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: c| Lone-Wolf on July 04, 2005, 03:57:54 pm
No no, the way Harv owns people on his server is to wait for them to get on his team, then he gimps them, and lets them gimp around for a while, then finally puts them out of their misery five minutes later.  What a focker.   ;D  I'll get you for that Harv.  Oh yes, I will get you.

On a more serious note, when I go to TX this comming Thursday to work for Aspyr, and once I get a little used to the situation down there, I will see if there is anything I can do from within the company to get work done on a patch or mod.  I'm sure that the guys who worked on RvS/AS, and put so much time and effort into it, dont want to see it's fun rating laid low by hackers.  So I will see if I can galvanize them into working on something

Well, Harv set me straight on the workings of hacks, and all that business.  The more I think about it, the less chance I think I have of getting Aspyr to get anything done on ths.  Their manpower is stretched far too thin to deal with this, and it could potentially involve a lot of corporate/legal wrangling at the more executive level to get the ok to modify the game in such a way.  But, it cant hurt to try. 


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on July 05, 2005, 12:22:33 pm
Godammit harv, thats how you were owning me the last time I was on your server? shittt. :D.

yeah..  thats my pwnspikehaxor hack.. i run it right along with my tklonewolf hack. But the funny hack is the humpdeadbodies hack that makes me hump every dead body i walk over.

right now i'm currnetly tring to get my hands on a better anti hack mod for the server. But the oly thing about this one is the person who is making it will not let me releace it to other peeps.. but after i get it i will atleast make the one i have not available to download easily (you can find it now on the web.. if you know what to look for). The only reason im not giving this one out now is b/c i dont wantto give anyone a chance to lok at the anto hack and determine what it can pick up and what it cant right now. after i get the new one running.. peeps wont know whats anti hack might be runnig on the servers.. so it wont matter.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on July 05, 2005, 03:43:55 pm
harvey i think the rvs community owes u something ->  ::applause::

i can imagine that it takes so much fucking time to do all these test etc.. so really nice work i hope that 1 day i will be 100% sure that if i die that i died b/c of his skils or b/c of my stupidness (or maybe b/c of lagg but thats a bad excuse...)

thanks and cya later


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on July 06, 2005, 04:07:23 am
i just got called cheat again... cO.vickedson.. pls man why the hell should i post something against cheating and then cheat myself... i play this fucking game for 2 years almost.. quit normal that im better then a guy that plays once a month.. and it was even in harveys room.. so i would be quit stupid to hack in a sever that runs a anti hack sofwear and even if not all hacks can be detcted i would always have to fear getting cought!


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on July 06, 2005, 04:49:02 am
If I join a Ghost Recon game, I see people hit shots that appear to me to be impossible. I have to remind myself that these people have played the game for years, and refined their skills to an incredible level, so that they can hit seemingly impossible shots. It bothers me when GHR players don't expect this when they come to play RVS.

typhy said it right. vick is primarily a ghr player is he not?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Stripes on July 06, 2005, 11:56:31 am
It's funny, i got called cheater ( GhR ) many times, but there was never someone who caught me cheating, these days if you kill a guy on 1 shot and don't die yourself, you get called cheater. but when i got called cheater i was like, wtf lol - is there even cheats to this game? " did you remember we are on a mac " and now with all these .Gz. guys.. and [TRIBE]Ghost's screenshots.. i wonder, can't we do anything for the GhR Mac gaming, we'll i don't wanna play with some ghr players called something bullshit and has just joined Gameranger, and he just owns everyone..

and in your case niklot, i think cO.Vickedson was joking, a lot of those east coast wannabes does that.

Anyway, a short version : is there any anti-hack shizzle for Tom Clancy Ghost Recon ?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BFG on July 06, 2005, 12:39:40 pm
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is there any anti-hack shizzle for Tom Clancy Ghost Recon

to run on the mac? basically, no.


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and now with all these .Gz. guys.. and [TRIBE]Ghost's screenshots..

Sorry am i missing something here?


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: cO.Vickedson on July 06, 2005, 01:33:34 pm
OMG....Dude, for real.  I did not call you a cheater!

You are such a fucking weird bird man.  Stop spreading shit...You wanna know what happened?

AP Spanke charged into a room on Parade and he opened fired as did I at the same time.  I killed him and he didn't scratch me.  The exchange went like this...

Spanke "Vick, I didn't even wound you?!?"

Vick "Nah man, that was crazy"

Vick "I've been saying the same thing about Nik all night"

Niklot only reads the last line after he got killed by some noob and takes it upon himself to assume I'm calling him a cheat just because he has a good round.

So shut the fuck up, you aren't very good.....I even tried to give you proprs a bit later while playing but then you come here and talk shit so fuck that.  Get your story straight instead of coming here and saying people say you cheat so you don't feel left out cause even though you play RVS all the time you still suck and there are a ton of guys better than you.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Stripes on July 06, 2005, 02:17:21 pm
bfg you miss alot ;) that's how it goes when you leave the GhR Gaming  :(


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on July 06, 2005, 02:22:56 pm
supposedly the Gz guys hacked, and then boasted to various people about it. however, Gz broke up before anything could be done, but the hacker nubs are still out there, using alter-nicks and other accounts.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: NiKLoT on July 06, 2005, 08:58:46 pm
fuck sry vick damn this is embarassing ouch  :-X hope u forgive a paranoid child


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: cO.Vickedson on July 06, 2005, 10:36:48 pm
np NIK, I woke up in a bad mood this morning anyways.  No hard feelings.  Sorry for jumpin on ya

Vicked


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: *DAMN Hazard on July 06, 2005, 10:39:47 pm
I have an aimbot.

I call it my hand. budump cha!

On a serious note back in my days of evil (when I played PC RS) they had programs that made sure that only Rogue Spear and Gamespy(in our case gameranger) were open and any foreign application that was open was reported. There was also something else that checked important text files that pertained to armor and reticule and ammo and such with the host's and unless the host was cheating and everyone else was it would make this little button turn green. If it detected a change in files it would report the IP to the battle league and locked that callsign preventing that person from competing or making a new account. I mean Evill blocks out Netfone and stuff while games are running if your not premium why can't someone stop another app from running that might facilitate cheating?

I mean with all the computer minds here I'm sure the staff will think of something.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Celsius on July 09, 2005, 09:21:30 am
you cant hack on a mac therefore gz has never hacked! so stop the damn rumors!


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BTs_Lee.Harvey on July 09, 2005, 01:15:52 pm
you cant hack on a mac therefore gz has never hacked! so stop the damn rumors!


I wish that were true that you cant hack on a mac.........


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: spike on July 09, 2005, 02:11:12 pm
you cant hack on a mac therefore gz has never hacked! so stop the damn rumors!

Thats completely un true celsius, and I have heard from more than one source that several members of Gz regularlly used wall hacks, and then boasted about it to other people.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: Croosch on July 09, 2005, 06:42:31 pm
you cant hack on a mac therefore gz has never hacked! so stop the damn rumors!

You can hack on a mac Celsius, and don't be mad at us for "spreading rumors" when havok (a former member of Gz) started this rumor...


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: [a] kitkat on July 29, 2005, 01:58:20 am
you cant hack on a mac therefore gz has never hacked! so stop the damn rumors!

That is so ignorant and naive....  But expected i guess.


Title: Re: This is pathetic
Post by: BFG on July 29, 2005, 02:00:32 am
Old thread that didn't need to be dug up - and this is going nowhere other than down hill. locked for the moment