*DAMN R6 Forum

Problem with cb against GhRa>.

Replays asked for straight after CB. Delivered 10 minutes too late. 2 Replays missing.

Same problem happened with us a few days ago. Replays sent too late with some missing, only in this case there is no accusaton of glitching in these games.

I am 100% positive that GhRa> didnt cheat in these games, but the fact that they are missing is a problem to me. The lateness is also a problem. If it is truly nessacary, i can provide screenshots proving the times ect.

But do you know what? I DONT WANT TO!  (change of pace)

GhRa won this CB fair and square, but according to the standards that you laid down in our case....we should be awarded the CB at 6 - 0. The "NEW" rules clearly state that 'if one clan asks for a replay the replays must be sent within 10mins after the cb was finished or the cb will be nullified or counted as forfeit win."

I am saddened by the fact that i have spent more time looking at the rules, and triple checking my responses this season than actually playing Ghost Recon. I know of other clan leaders and members who agree wholeheartedly.

In this case, i truly want GhRa to be awarded the victory. They won fair and square.

The rules state not.

[OZ] is not a clan that prides itself on getting victories after the "final whistle". We enjoy winning at what the ladder is for.... Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon, not breaches of dodgy rules.

I have a solution. A magic solution indeed!

Please! Award the CB to GhRa> and do some rethinking over the rules.

They offered no flexiblity in our case, and wont in others.

6 months ago, when i bought this game and founded a clan, i never thought that one day, i would be embroiled in some sort of "scandalous political outrage" over a bunch of formulated rules and their "biting" consequences.

I never wanted to be the leader of a clan that was accused of sore losing.
I never wanted to be the leader of a clan that was accused of cheating.

I wanted to be the leader of a clan that had fun! Unfortunatly, that fun seems to be declining these days.

Have a good one, and make the right decision - J

On a completely different note...

I notice that the |devil| clan has won a cb in the matchlist but has 0 on the ladder..

Dont know if its a bug or what...

Smiles! - J

Cb submitted. First post kept because Jedda wanted the situation for future problems addressed by Mauti.

Ok in the c| v |GM| cb. we belive lightwave glitchkilled noreaga on the stronghold map. I would like a bl admin to check the replay  its replay game # 6 ( i put 4 the first time sry) http://bobfromaccounting.kicks-ass.net/GMvsC.zip

you will see lightwave crawl up to top of incline. you will see noreage stnd up and then drop again. you will then see lightwave crawl down a little. then noreaga stands back up he shoots at lightwave but is only able to hit top of hill while lightwave is able to shoot noreaga.


p.s. we dont need alot of post on this issue like in other ones. just waiting for bl admins to check it and give word on it.

The replay is actually game #6 for those looking.

Well after watching the replay a few times, here's my thoughts.  I definitely agree that Noreaga should have had that kill.  You can see a lot of his bullets hit the back rock, and you see a few hit in mid air and give that burst of dirt.  

I have yet to talk with lightwave, but in total honesty from his view, I would have had no idea that he was glitching.  The grade of the slope is pretty minor, and he's not on the edge of it.  It's a different glitch than any one i've seen.

That being said, even though I doubt it was intentional, Noreaga should have had that kill.  I don't know what the policy on accidental glitches are, but I definitely think that at least that round should be redone.  But ultimately it's up to the admins to decide.

And I agree with Harvey, please don't let this turn into yet another of the daily flame wars.  Whatever ruling the admins decide is acceptable to c|.

If you have used a glitch accidently because you didn't know about it and the other clan agrees to that you usually just have to replay the game in question with the same settings(map, gamemode, team color).

Mauti

Mauti did you look at replay? It clearly shows him laying down on a slope, crawling up to top of slope, looking over, and shooting.. but Mauti if you would like us to replay that game... c| just let me know when you would like to do it... but mauti plz check replay first to see what you think and give us the final word. If you look at replay.. its a classic case of slope/edge glitching. Both clans agree that it might be a glitch, I pritty sure that lightwave will say it unintional b/c we all say it when we/if we do it. The type of glitch used is one that i have known not to do ever sence someone whowed me the link on the MP site about glitching. but like i said mauti.. if in the replay it looks unintinional. then plz let us know so we can get this resolved. thx Lee

No I didn't watch the replay after my first response. Now I did and I must say just repeat the game in question. From Lightwave's view it is really impossible to know that you are invincible at this location. That it is a glitch. Just repeat the game with the same settings and map and see if it changes the outcome.

@ Jedda: I understand your worries and concerns and I agree that cbs should be decided by skills and not rules. May you have a suggestion how to rewrite the rule to prevent such problems with sending the email too late!? About missing replays I'll continue to be strict in this issue. If some are missing that have been asked for the cb will be nullified or changed to a forfeit win simply because to press one button isn't that difficult. I also thinkt to send between 4 and 8 replays(1-5MB) within 10mins should be manageable with most connections.

Bye,

Mauti

Small question: Let's say I do a typical glitch ny accident/stress and no one notices (none of the victims ever see me) and that is later found in the replay, does that make the game illegal?

Let's take an example.

One of the most classical glitches are on Embassy Garage. Let's say I walk up the garage ramp and I see someone, freek, and go prone because it's a long range shot and my victim is unaware. I get the kill without any bullets being fired at me and then I remove myself from glitch area. Will that make me a cheater? This hasn't happened... Just want to know. Thanks :D

To Acri, and others:  Glitching Defined?
 
     Remember that a 'glitch' is a glitch in the game program.  If you are in a house, and you are able to shoot through the wall, but your enemy still had no clue where you were, is that a glitch?  Of course it is.  The way I see glitching is that it gives you an advantage for making a kill, and an advantage from being killed.  Whether or not your enemy was aware of where you were does not matter.  What does matter is that you shouldn't have been able to make the kill, however, a glitch in the game provided for it.  Basically, if you know it's a glitch, or even if you suspect it, you should avoid it at all costs.  Even if you are just doing recon and you do not intend to fire, if an enemy becomes aware of you and fires without the kill, you would still be glitching.  I think there have been more than enough glitches pointed out in this game so that all should be aware and cautious at times.  But, accidents still happen.

In my own view, glitching should only be called glitching if you are killed by someone you can not fire back upon due to a program glitch, or if you are able to kill without being killed yourself.  I think it is complete BS when people say "well he didn't shoot at me at all, but man I unloaded a full clip into him!  He was glitching!"  Case in point:  Anyone can pretty much see anyone inside the hangers of Airbase when you are outside, depending on the angle at which you are looking at the building.  Just because I can see him, does that mean if my bullets do not hit him, he is glitching?  I don't think so.  Just find another way to kill that guy.  Now, if someone kills you, and your teammate fires back and is unable to kill him, such as the tower in Airbase, that is definitely a Glitch.

I'm not meaning to add drama to the above issues, but is my definition of glitching a universal one?  Is it shared by the admins?  I'm only asking because I thought glitching was pretty well known and looked for, and it amazes me that anyone would want to intentionally do it any longer.  I think these issues that we have had this season with glitching bring about the question; what is glitching?  Maybe I'm looking past it in the rules, but i don't think there is a clear definition, or even a simple one, in the rules.  Perhaps the admins could redefine it for us.

Thanks...

.::|N| Noto

Noto you make an excellent point, but I would like to take it a step further if I can.  I watched the so-called glitch that lightwave is supposed to be in.  I'm sorry, it doesn't cut it.  The ditch is almost always easily recognizable by a bunch of dirt kicked up in front of the glitcher's head, but no kill results.  I mean to tell you I have never seen it otherwise.

Of course, I could be mistaken, but I think that at least in this case, this is a bad case of the OICW gremlin.  You see, that gun has such a powerful zoom in this game, that people think they are more accurate than they are, simply becasue of how large their target is.  Heck, I would dare you to take the FAL (this gun has the same average accuracy as the oicw) with its 2x zoom and see if you think the shot is as easy with a 2x scope.  As far as the game is concerned, the FAL (7.62 carbine) is just as likely to score a hit with a single shot as the OICW.

The other option (I didnt check this) is that the guy shooting at lightwave was using the sa80 right? That gun is LESS THAN HALF as accurate as the OICW.

Heck, I would love to believe that everyone has good motives in all this, but when I see tracers hitting the rocks about lightwave's head, and the lack of the tell-tale dirt cloud, I start to become suspicious.  Sure, Mauti has his rules straight here, replay the game.  But guys, there has to be a line somewhere.

As in Noto's post, how exactly do we intend to define glitching?  Is it merely an excuse to allow some to believe in a gun that isn't as good as they think?

*pokes aramarth.

Thanks Mauti,

GM and c| will replay that round as soon as we can get it organized.

Thx Mauti for the ruling

and in accordance w/ his ruling. i should be on l8r tonight around 7-830pm est. just get in touch w/ me then. and i will see you on the battle field. thx..Lee

BTW i just think it is funny that in this case its a clear ruleing that he glitched but you said replay the match. and in the BTs/SL case you gave them a win for a something that might not be a glitch...... just sems like contrasting rulings.I' m not tring to get the win b/c we will replay that game.. but the rulings need to be consistant!!!!!!!!! not ruled one way for one incident and another way for this incident whitch is a much more clear case of glitching.

OK game replayed... score stands at 5-3. w/ c| winning the cb. thx for the replay c|

Ok i dont know about all you guys but im sure the vets can vouche for me on this.... what is it that you dont do on stairs ? Thats it lay down....

Why?
Cuase it causes neet little glitches...

exhibt a

www.battleteksquad.com/files/lobNRG.jpg

Check the 2 bullet holes in where the stairs save his life...

They posted the cb... we asked to replay the map if we found a glitch... they say its not we say it is admins?

You might have to lighten the image to see the holes but they are there...

we have the replay and it's quite clear... i hate to just jump in before anyone else.

we asked them to replay the game and then submitted anyway. that's just bad sportsmen ship.

before we played this map they actually asked us to choose another because of the house glitch. i'm not personally framiliar with it but they tried to get us to change!

it was a great CB and * has a great team together.

Hey eight,

     I don't know man, but it looks as if you can clearly hit some part of his body.  It looks as if 80% of his body is showing, which in my mind would be plenty hit.  You might not have been able to get a head shot, but there looks as if something could have been hit.  If you couldn't hit him in this position, there are one of two reasons why:

?    Reason 1:  This is a major glitch in the game.  I can't say i have ever seen a glitch to where the majority of the body was showing, and still not be able to be hit, other than the typical 'see through the wall' shit.

?    Reason 2:  No offense eight, but unless the replay shows little puffs of smoke, as if your bullets are hitting concrete but it is where his body is, then you're aim seems to be off.

I know there really isn't a reason for me to reply... but I was awake...

.::|N| Noto

why/who confirmed this cb btw ?

cb prob with nbk

here:
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=4879


cant check their dam replays

about glitches:
oh and btw some guys use glitches to be able to c across walls ; like in small house in  mp river or in ambassy

Hey Horda,

     Check the definition for glitching.  I posted in this thread on the first page about it.  If no shots were fired, then what's the harm?  If anything he gave his position away, and also pinned himself.  You can easily reposition yourself; He cannot.  Advantage goes to you, but my personal view would say it's not a 'glitch' that helped him to kill you or a teammate.  There are way too many glitches in this game to call them all out.  We should probably just stick to the ones where the glitch is used for a tactical advantage in the way that shots are fired, and someone gets hit.

.::|N| Noto

ALright me and signtist just did some testing on that particular staircase

we have a replay of signtist shooting me in the skull from the same spot eight did and i do not die. he walks up and continues to unload on me. i then relocate into as close a spot as i can to Lob's location in the questionable replay. he then shoots me in the skull and as soon as i hit the button to stand back up i die.

the first spot on the stairs that i glitch in mainly just proves this is a glitch. the second one is pretty much a recreation as close as we could get. obviously you can't recreate the situation exactly but this is rediculous.

in my first week of playing i learned about stairs and craters.

The replays can be had at
Be sure to control + click and "Save as" to the replay directory in ghr...

www.battleteksquad.com/files/staircastle.rpf

www.battleteksquad.com/files/test2.rpf


In the first replay im shooting at the guy "lob"

Now keep in mind Your not supposed to lay on steps because of it creates a glitch similiar to crater glitching...

if you view the test2 replay and watch from signs eye in slow motion you can see (sign) shooting pwnocchio  in many diffrent stair glitches...

OMG... Instead of commenting on other's problems, which I'm still doing I guess, I actually have a problem that needs to be looked into.

A member of the |DIK| clan has been impersonating many of the clans out there, and then going into rooms and TKing people.  He has mostly been seen impersonating .::|N| members, but this member has also been impersonating: |GM|, BTs, | ! |, c|, |MP|, *AgT*, [EUR], |3ID|, [a], and most everyone else.  

It's not very fun when there's some jackass TKing people in your server, and you can't boot him for different reasons (Option+ characters).  Hosts ar having to shut down their rooms just to kick a guy.  In the mean time, unobservant folks will think it is being done by a respectable clan or clan member.  Can anything be done about this?

?   |DIK|Sgt.Bric_TOP
?   Account # 137507, 128637 New Account Number
?   Has also been seen using alias 'cho cho min'
?   Real name 'David' ;)
?   Seems to be located in the Midwest United States.
?   No, this is not .::|N| juGGla (although they have the exact same location info, but juGGla is a premium member, account # 670 wOOt!!!)

I tried to talk to this guy to find out who he was, but then he blocked myself, and others who tried to talk to him.  Unfortunately, for him, he still uses the same account for his clan.

Thanks in advance for any action that takes place.

.::|N| Noto

Yeh i vouce for what Noto said... we had to shut down our servers a few times for this little brat.

Blocked buh bye!

BTs guys who host please do the same....

what a moron doesnt have the balls to play with his own name and has to impersonate others and tk

what a loser

i vote him gone

Just added him to the ban list from our servers.  We keep our list at http://mp.macclans.com/staticpages/index.php?page=20030313005947164 if you want to look for a couple other TK'ers.  Chim-Chim/Racer X (119833) was the worst of late.

WILL BTs EVER LOSE A GAME AND ADMIT IT? JESUS!

in you little 'test' did you even bother to try shooting at lob's foot? (remember fatal foot wounds?)

also, i had never heard of a 'stair glitch' till right now so mb it's not nearly as well known as you thought

I didn't play in the game, but according to the team he was wounded. So if he wounded then he wasn't glitching. I don't think if you glitch, I don't think bullet can't hit you at all.

That is just my experience. I don't know

I was accused of glitching in the Cb against BTs. My team had reviewed the replay for me because I was having trouble viewing it. My team said it wasn't a glitch. I remember hitting the ground when being fired upon and returning fire as he popped up and down. Unfortunatly for me  when I hit the ground I was near the stairs and now I'm being accused of this. i do have to say BTs gave us the option to replay the last game again. I declined that invitation when my team told me to post the score and that it wasn't a glitch. I would like the thank eight for giving us the option to replay but I am loyal to my teams opinion and we will have to see what happens.

Regards,

*Lob

The test by bts shows nothing of lob's glitching, lob was lying on the stairs with almost his full body exposed, body along the stairs facing up them and him looking to the left, in both instances where BTs did their test and the characters full body was exposed they were able to be shot, the time where colin couldn't be shot he went behind the stairs and only stick his head over, using an edge glitch, completely different than what lob was doing, there is no glitch in the position Lob was in.  I really don't think there is such thing as a glitch where you can see the person's whole body and there are no obstacles between him and the shots and the person whom you can see can't be shot, edge glitching only occurs when only the head and arms holding the gun are in sight.  I'm worried about people making posts like this, if people keep posting on stuff like this there's going to be controversy every single cb, this is just getting excessive now.

We thought it was/is a glitch we thought we should bring it to *'s attention and to the admins...

If it's not no biggie we will accept the loss if it is then everyone just be a bit more carefull on the stairs and yes brain the stairs are glitches.... i found alot of thes glitches by playing alot of FFAs, 1v1's an 2v2's before season 5 started which used the castle map alot.

They asked us to switch the map before the game started because they said we might glitch... given this i thought they knew to stay away from those bugged out glitches...

Which is why i asked them if they wanted it replayed since we thought it was a glitch....

you all seem to forget that not all bullets are shot in the middle of the crosshair. There's a cone, which is shown by the small lines in the HUD, in which there's a certain probability that a bullet will hit. This also means that there's a (small) likelihood that the bullet will hit outside the cone (as we see in 8's screenshot).

Elan

Sorry elan, but in english that means what?!

i'm aware the FIRST test with me on the stairs is the edge glitch.

i then move and am completely exposed on the stairs. you need to watch the whole thing fridge.

we have been forced into this situation. if you read *'s comment on the matchlist it says they 'decided' it wasn't glitching. last time i checked you couldn't just choose if it was gonna be a glitch or not. we noticed it immediatly and offered them a replay of the last map right away (>10). they posted it anyway.  also he wasn't wounded and the replay show's that.

lol eight - in the evening i'll elaborate on this in better words  ;)

Elan

Hey |MP| guys...  I know I'm 'banned' from your servers, but can you at least change my tag??  I don't really recall being in c|.  I had a bad dream about it once though... Pumpkins and horses and shit.  Scary stuff...  

?  c| Noto   ? =>  .::|N| Noto

I'm sure it's just an innocent mistake... Right Ace? ;)

Ok I submitted my first CB today.

The CB number is 1108. It was a 3v3 l ! l vs [OZ]. l ! l won 5-3

I think I submitted it right but then I seen that it had our 3 plays as Kinetic, Kinetic and Archer.

It should be Kinetic, Archer and Burke.

So I tried changing it but it doesn't and says this "ERROR: You have to select at least one player for clan [OZ]!"

It has the 3 plays for OZ listed but I don't know what it is talking about by selecting one.

Ross

It was a glitch, and i'll tel you why, well, he was hidden in the stairs for one, which is a glitch. and when eight shot he didn't die, i was the one who wounded him, you have to quickly get into lobs view to see that eight didn't wound him.

I watched the replay many times over and none of eight's shots actually hit lob, they hit the side of the stairs beneath him and the wall behind him and around him, just play it on 0.25 and watch where the sparks fly off the wall.  Also, If eight had actually sunk a bullet into lob in the position lob was lying in, it would have registered as he wasn't behind the stairs using an edge glitch.  He was on them with almost his whole body exposed.If you're calling it a glitch because a tiny portion of him sunk into the stairs when he was lying down that is lame and a waste of ppls time I think, there's too many glitches like that in the game to call stuff like that, that's like saying when a guy's foot goes through a wall he was glitching and the game should be replayed cuz his foot couldn't be shot.  There was ample exposed parts of him to shoot.

Ok so fridge you complain that evryone had their 2 cents in our issue with your cb... why then would you blabber on something not even related to u or your clan? Since your the first one to complain about it.

because I see you doing the same thing you did with us to another clan now and you're taking so much from the game, trying to call redos or forfeits based on the fact that your gun didn't put the bullets directly on the crosshair.  This is the third time i've seen you guys do this, twice in this bl and 2 out of the 3 times it has been members of a clan i was in.  It's getting really really really excessive, there's no need to start another thing up over missing your opponent.

thanks Ross for pointing this out - i've already fixed this. you should now be able to change your players without problems.

*DAMN Elandrion

It not working :(

I get this error now "ERROR: You have to select at least one player for clan [ ! ]!"

grr ok. im working on it.

Elan

!Update! It's working now.

Thank you :)

BTs, like brain said i've never heard of this stair glitch, i'm going to have to do some tests first before i have anything to say, but it looks like you just missed to me looking at this SS.

To whom it may concern,

My team nrg "*" played N clan. I am new at posting scores and screwed up posting them. I didn't add who played from the N team. It was Noto, Aramarth, gen. Billy, Diesel and Venom. I am sorry if I caused a problem.

Regards,

*Lob

Lob: Ok i added the N players, but how about your oun players...it was a 5v5 yes?  so your missing one more for your team after i added your self.  **TommyFranks, peppy, Inferno, lob, and ???**

Dr. No

It was Inferno, Bomb Logique, Mr. T, Tommy Franks and peppy.

Again I'm sorry.

*Lob

just added Mr. T.

*DAMN Elandrion

Not sure what doc was smokin last night, but for the c| vs nbk 2v2, the players should be as follows:

c| Dr. NO
c| lightwave
 
nbk| Onimushu
nbk| ENDER

*fixed, but ENDER isnt registered in BL yet.
[one] Civic

www.angelfire.com/mac2/darren/stair.jpg

Sar and i mutually agreed to do a test with him because i didn't believe it was a glitch and he did, and here are the results.  Compare screenshots of sar on the steps and lob on the steps, the red mark on sar just beneath his head is me smoking him.

Fridge,

  I really am not interested in your theories, and your explanations. The CB wasn't with you, and it doesn't involve you. All we want is a fair game, I have proved that that area is GLITCHABLE through testing, and if I shoot at his head and can't kill him, yet by shooting at his feet I can... IT"S FUCKED and that shouldn't be used. YOU GET THE PICTURE? Now... do me a favor, and find somewhere else to play, this sandbox is full!

  BTs_SignTist

This is a public forum. If you don't want your opinions to be heard email people directly. I don't me to add fuel to the fire but this is getting out of control. There is a reply button on here for a reason. BTs was very nice in giving us the option to replay the game and that was very sportsman like. But my team said it wasn't a glitch and I posted the score. You guys have been putting links up for everyone to view and you get upset when people share there opinion. I always liked you guys but it is starting to become nasty and I don't want it to become a problem between our teams. We are the ones being accused and you don't hear us making a big deal. So please just chill.

*Lob

Look what i got...

Shit brics...

(http://www.battleteksquad.com/files/dikbric.jpg)


Lets just all block DIK an shit brics...

If you cant control your clanmates then i dunno... a possiible ban? Shit like that cause more troubles between clans...

Fridge comes to my server an starts tking people... i think its him and it causes a whole world of shit... meanwhile shit brics luaghs at us all.

Then don't reply... and a GLITCH accusation is nothing to be ashamed of. We've all gone through that.. The only problem is that you guys insist it wasnt... which I'm confident it is, and so are many others.  

I highly doubt your reputation is suffering over anything as silly as a glitch... it'sn no big deal... but you guys made it bigger by not acknowledging that. So, off to the battlefield I go!

  BTs_SignTist

Well thats the reason we posted here lob... we want u to tell your side of the story which is why we posted it here and the links were for the admins.... We dont want anything said behind your back...

We also dont want someone posting who was complaining that people had to much to say against him...

Completely unrelated to all the millions of other matters here.

Question:  How is it that the c| vs nbk| 2v2 was worth 100 pts last night when it was posted, but now when it got submitted it's only worth 50?


BTW: thanks Civic for fixing the names.

SignTist,
I never thought that my repututation was be attacked and I still don't. I think you guys are bigger than that. As to you saying we are the ones makeing a big deal I'm confused. What did we say or do to make it seem like we were making a big deal?

Eight,

I thank you for making it clear why you post up here. I was under the assumption that a forum was for everyone to speak up and give there opinions on subjects that have been posted. I know I'm not being attacked by you guys and I hope your not under the impression that I think I am. I just don't want you guys being heated up by what other people are saying and them making the situation worse.

*Lob

You said it yourself my friend!    ;D

YA, I've seen BTs score now drop by 200 points! What's up with that?


     BTs_SignTist

It may be that:
A CB played before this one got confirmed. Every time a CB gets confirmed, or changed in any way, the ladder and the matches are being recalced, based on the matches played since the beginning of the season.

So, this is quite normal. I know it seems strange, also because a clans rank in the ladder can be changed within a short time, but everything follows the algorithm.

*DAMN Elandrion

Gotcha ;)

Thanx

BTs and * clan:  Me Lonewolf and Pyroman all just ran a test of the so called stair glitches in the castle map.  We found that the only way you can not be shot is if you are set up the same as in the crater glitches.  With your body facing away, you can crawl up to the stairs and creep up on them so you can see over.  At this point you can not be shot, but can shoot others, and from the other players point of view it looks like your aiming up in to the sky.  Now in Lob's case he was laying accross the stairs with is body in full view.  After testing many times we found you can shoot the body anywhere for a kill, head, body, and feet laying like this.  So eight just missed.  Though there is a glitch on the stairs (that i for one was not aware of), Lob was not in it.  I will say this, thank you BTs for pointing out yet another glitch in the game.  


P.S. i have the replay of this test for anyone who wants to see it.

Thakns Doc and to all who participated in the test... I appreciate your efforts!


  BTs_SignTist

Thnx guys! (Admins and testers)  good cb either way * clan....

We'll get you guys later!

hey mauti or Elan,


   Could you please explain the point assesment algorithm? I'm not qite understanding how tams loose points after they've been posted... THANKS!

    BTs_SignTist

P.S. i have the replay of this test for anyone who wants to see it.
Posted by: c| Dr.NO


yes plz

Did you guys even watch the test that me and signtist made?

Glitches only really work from certain angles. You shouldn't have to shoot feet.

So Elan when a cb is confirmed that was done and posted before another clanbattle the points get recalculated properly but what if a cb played first is added after and submitted after a second cb do to some mistiming or something.  Would the system do the points correctly?

I have a question about the rules in concerns with the number of times a map may be played.  I know under Season 4 rules, a map may only be played twice.  That rule was then clarified to state that each map may be chosen by each clan twice, for a total of 4 times during a CB.  I have noticed the Season 5 rules do not even address this, let alone state or clarify it any longer.  They seem to have been deleted.

Now the real question;  What about Warzone?

Example:  Clan A chooses Creekbed LMS and then loses.  Clan A gets to pick the next map of course, and they pick Creekbed LMS again.  Clan A loses this map a second time.  It is Clan A's pick again, and they decide to pick Creekbed, but with the game type of Warzone.  Overall, this would be the the clan's third time picking Creekbed in one CB, without the other team picking it once.  Can Clan A pick Creekbed twice for each game type, or is it just 2 maps per team regardless of whether it is LMS or Warzone.

If clans are able to pick a map twice for each game type, it is therefore possible to play an entire clan battle on one map, with each team picking the same map 4 times, but with two different game types.

I hope I have made my question clear enough.  I know that nothing in the rules exists that you may pick a map twice for each game type, but currently there is not a rule clarifying this aspect of map selection any longer.

.::|N| Noto

no. we also can't change the order of CB's. I feel it is the Clan's possibility that every CB gets posted right after playing it.

Elandrion

Noto: The rule was accidently not copied into the GR rule part but will be there again with the next rule update(this week). All in all the max map reputations are related to the map and not the gametype so each clan can still play a map only twice no matter what gamemode they have chosen.

Bye,

Mauti