*DAMN R6 Forum

So why is it that a team that practices TEAM TACTICS cant play a 4v4 minimum?

I mean if it's a defualt... and we are playing finals.... Why not make this what this game is supposed to be? TEAM TACTICS?

I mean, Mauti have you ever played wilderness with a 3v3? JESUS MAN!

A 3v3 is almost the same as a 2v2.... Just as risky... and alot less TEAM tactics then 4v4 or more....

Like almost 0 team tactics... I have played cbs with 3v3 and it just seems like teams will camp even more because of this...

Well if you look at the season many clans are unable to play with so many members. That's the main reason. I'm aware that you can play better in teams with more players but few clans can't get online/have so many active members.

I agree with eight on this one.  For the finnals the clan should be on line for this, if not, be rdy on the e-mails.  We were forced in to a 3v3 with MOD, they would only do this # yet they had 7 members on line.  Thinks like that piss me off, most clans i know of that are cbing have alot of members, and if their not around for the finnals...why are they in a clan?

Well No, maybe some of the members are new and don't fit into the 1 week rule of joining before the finals.  Also I can understand some clans having members that aren't ready to cb or are that great yet and wanting to use their better players.  But yea if you have that many members on, even if some aren't up to it or ready, you should be able to use some more.

anything that constitutes more than one person is a team. therefore  one must display team tactics when there is someone on your TEAM. stop whining and just play, like i know all of you are very good at doing.

Very true, id love to know where this idea that 3 guys dosn't make a team came from. How does much bigger games demand a greater level  of team work? I would have thought in a way it was the opposite - that with only a few guys you need to work much closer and more carfully together - as you have less guys to cover, move, and watch your back!

See the problem with 3 men teams...

Some of these clans who choose to do a 3 man team somehow like to camp more...(not saying that MOD does this, yet, im not saying MOD doesnt do this...)

I am sure though.... MOD having a shitload of players can geta  4th guy involved... NO ONE is saying to bring out all 40 of your guys.. WERE ALLL SAYING TO BRING AT LEAST 1 MORE TO THE TABLE.

And no one steals your guys... Your guys are having MASS EXODUS out of MOD for that same reason....

Why should i be in this clan of 40 (or whatever) when only 3 guys EVER play... or will ever play...

Just seems like you guys are pushing this 3v3 thing... and possibly would do a 2v2 if the league made it the defualt....

I wouldn't be suprised if after this season you have more members leaving for the simple fact that they won't get a chance to CB.


Let's have some fun and bring out everyone! I was pissed with DFA an their 3v3 only because we both have a shitload of members who want to be involved in the finals is all...

This is amazing to me.  A simple search for +MOD+ on Game Ranger shows 33 members.   OMFG huge ass clan. ;D  Out of these 33, they say there are only 3 that a worthy of playing in the finals?  If I were in this clan I would say FU sab and BFG take your MOD icon and shove it right up your stink star.  All I can say is that at least ONE has balls to play more than a 3 v 3 in the finals.

Whats that sound I hear.......Why it's some of the the MOD member making their way to the exit. :o


static

what??  where did you get the idea that c| doesn't want MOD in the finals.  Personally, I don't really know anyone in MOD, so I'm far from making the conclusion of liking or disliking or wanting or not wanting your clan in the finals.  All I want is the best clans in the top 6 that will give most competition and give us all the most exciting finals.  You guys had a solid regular season record, and played a clean game in our first CB and beat us.  Good!  That's what we've been wanting (aside from the beating us part;)).  

For me, larger CBs are a lot more fun.  It's more of a challange to coordinate all the people, get them in the right places, etc, so it tickles me brain.  The most fun CB i've ever been in was a 7v7 against 1iNe.  With lower numbers it seems to take away some of the tactics such as setting up perimeters, flanks, diversions, etc.  It becomes more of a random encounter 1v1 game.

Anyhow, if you can have more people online that can CB, great. I think both teams would have a lot more fun. If not, that's fine, we'll just deal with what we have.

sorry splinter, yep, just Static getting on me nerves ;0)

Allrighty, well unfortunatly sivak is going to be absent, but we will try and do our best tonight, im sure we can get a 4v4.. i'll let you know as soon as possible.

Looking forward to some great games  ;D

MOD members,

I apologize for the post before.  No one ever said MOD should not have made the finals.  MOD, like all the finalists deserve to be there.  Even DFA until caught cheating.  Maybe I'm just a silly teenager (as BFG put it), but if a clan with 13 members can muster up enough guys to do a 9v9.   Then a clan with ONLY 23 members should be able do more than a 3v3.  Just a thought.  No pressure.  No worries.  Just relax and have fun bro.  Play the game the way you want!


static


btw- I'm probably old enough to be your father. ;D

LOL.

 yeah appology and sorry to... im having a bad day at the office ;0)

True, true, and i do very much enjoy large cb's.. not that we have done anything bigger than 5v5 unfortuantly... Although we did large in the other sence with our titanic battle against [tribe] last season.... around 30 games if i remember rightly.

Next season MOD will be looking very different. this has been our first and we are still settling down.. we have some great guy who come cause some damage next season  ;D

peace

BFG

I know what you mean.  Chasing the kid around the house and changing those stinky diapers suck.  But still beats a bad day at the office! hehe

Cool dude, can't wait to check out the new and improved MOD.  Sounds great!!


later all

static

Bah, what do you do when you have both?  Oh, that's right, you make Mommy change the diapers =D.

BFG, I'll give you the biggest reason I like BIG CB's (It was beyond cool that we've seen 7v7 and 9v9 and that's why we need more good dedicated servers out there).  These are clan battles.  They test the clan.  I don't care how many members a clan has, if it's always the same two guys always doing 2v2 CB's, they aren't testing the clan, just those two players.  

A clan with 1 star has a much better chance of winning a small CB then a big CB.  If you have a 7v7, one or two players is not going to win it.  It's a much more true measure of the clan (like anything, the bigger the sample, the more accurate the measure).

This is a Clan battle League not a tennis match!

It might be a good idea to have a rule requiring at least a 6v6 in the finals.

I mean, come on...lets' throw down.
[one] may get creamed in a one game final round, but at least we will have as many members as posible participate.

     You should also consider that in larger CBs, the pressure is lessened on individuals and increased on the group, which means that it is a lot more viable to bring a couple of your newbies along for the fun. As long as those newbies can help out the team, they don't need to be uber-l33t players individually. Besides which, what better way to get experience quickly than to play where it counts--in CBs.

     Leave off the "we've only got X good guys on" (where X is sufficiently large to make the CB a team game rather than an individual game) and supplement your numbers. It's fun. : )

From our experience doing a 9 on 9 this season (Which everybody who got to play loved) and reading the postings here, perhaps it would be worth considering modifying the scoring so that larger cb's get MEANINGFUL bonuses for BOTH participants- winner and loser. Say a +1 for each unit over 5 with a base bonus of 2 for the five on five. That would provide some incentive not only to engage in larger matches but also to include 'noob' members or those players who arent on a clan's 'A' list of players if it means they can collect some points (or minimize the damage) by including more folks. Maybe even make it a +10 if the clans can pull together a 9 on 9... after organizing one of those, I can say there should be a payoff just for actually getting it to happen!

Heres the deal.... Maybe its because im not a skilled player or just a bad shot, but I would rather be in a team(4+) game. I seem to do alot better than a 2v2 or even 3v3. Maybe cause I have a big mouth and try and tell everyone else on my team to shutup and go to this location(hehehehe), I seem to have more fun in the 4+ matches. BTs_Team are awesome players, that play excellent together and we all like playing together and taking on other teams together.

The reason BTs_ was formed was for a Battleing team for the *DAMN Battle League. We have some of the best players on Game Ranger(I just get to ride on the train) and we love all playing in the Battle League. We also loved doing the largest CB ever, the 9v9 with [one].

all those thing just because people want bigger cb's
If you want to play 9vs9 or so, search a clan who wants to do that or play against yourself, its the right of mod to do a 3vs3 even if there are 10 members online.
Some may be afk or dont have enough time. And if the members dont like in MOD then can always leave, no need for you guys to defend them.
I agree a large battle can be fun but a nice 2v2 or 3v3 can be fun to, well if you dont think thats fun dont understand what you guys are doing here

I got an idea...

How about 1 team picks the # of players... while the other team picks the # of players for the next cb then for the 3rd (if there is one) you guys choose in the middle?

And keep in mind.. This is the finals.. You can't choose your enemy... And i think the rules are a bit helpful to the one side (Less members)

I mean why have a drop box to try and setup a cb and then have 30 of 33 members afk?

hows the whole setup thing work? Why setup a CB if all members will be afk in advance?

Tell ya what. Why don't we just keep to the rules that Mauti sets out, and MOD and the collective can sort our cbs out, and you and [one] can sort your cb out...

plz step of your high horse eight

Somewhat all clans that has bitched about MOD choosing their players
for the note---> FINALS <---note.....

(geee i wonder why a clan wants to play with their best players in the finals)

....Do so themself's... :o

I know c| has a "battleteam"

I know we discussed it when i was in BT

stop being hypocritical and let ppl play the game...  

Well Joka said it pretty well

ooops- my mistake. I thought this was a general discussion about big vs small squad cb's. I didnt realize the subtext is the current finals tournament.

(Un)fortunately the rules are set up so that a clan who really wants a small squad match can just refuse to set a time and let Mauti do the scheduling with the default 3 v 3 configuration. So its really all moot. I wish there WAS something in place that would encourage larger-scale matches, but until that happens, there seems to be no shortage of clans who prefer to limit their roster of active combatants. So be it. Just please don't come to [one] with offers for a 2 vs 2.

Exactly Joka...

LET PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME>>>>!<<<<<<

You said this yourself right? Lets have some fun and LET EVERYONE PLAY THE GAME!

.

Errr ya...erm Eight...  some how id don't think thats what Joka ment.. certainly more playing and less bitching would be nice

well if you will note, nark is our second newest member!  There were guys for c| on line that had been in the clan all season that did not go in and that were on out battleteam!

All im saying is that if people want to play small cb's, who are you guys to
come and say thats it requires less skill and shit like that...

If someone wants to do that, let them....dont start a thread about it and start trashing them

 ;)

oh yeah and eight...plz, play the game. The more you play, the less you are on the forums

Whatever dude...
I'm just saying these are the finals!

LETS HAVE SOME FUN!

I hope this wasnt taken as a MOD bashing from me... It wasn't I am saying lets all play the game... This thread was started because DFA decided to do the 3v3... and then basically blackmailed us into it... BY NOT accepting any other config for a cb... I didn't think it was fair for our guys let alone the other 4 players they had online....

I also didn't think it was fair we didn't have a choice... If both clans can't agree then the opposing clan gets there way anyways.... WACK!

It's the last chance for some of our clans to play this season... SO lets just bug out and play ball... Let us all have some fun!


So my appologize if it seemed like a MOD Bashing...

I too am just talking in general, not about the finals or any clan in particular.  But I will respond to this.


Joka, I gave the reasons why I think so, I didn't talk shit.  Loth expanded on it.  How about looking at that instead of just blowing it off.

One more reason to be in favor of larger cbs is that a large cb will enable me to cb for BTs in the finals-- even tho i rok, I am the 12th newest and the 12th lowest seniority-weilding BTs member!!  So vote for STuRM, and vote for LARGE CBs in FINALS!!!


      BTs_STuRM

PS- D i E ! !

How bout this, for example. We tell our opponent,
"Hey ,we're showing up with six players, you can bring three if you want, but If you dont wanna get  your ass whipped, you better have six players too.

LOL Right on Ghoul...... I wish we had the whole week to play u guys... We would have loved to do a 9v9. But that takes a little planning and some time. But we are looking forward to the 6v6.

Can I get a w00t.....

well there are enough clans that want to play large cb's so you guys can play with those clans. It are the finals yes, but thre is an other season coming and you can always friendly cb's(those could be more fun because there will be no bitching about points or so,or failed tests)

Well, after all the piss and vinegar, the most Bts could bring to the table was 6.

Let the record show that [one] had 12 guys online ready to cb in the finals.

That woulda been something special.

For a 12 v 12, I would have sat at the cube and watched to save the replays for ya! =D

Well, if we win this one game, i'll take you up on that.

Well, it seems that people are trying to set up these cb's based on how their clan is run.  Just because a clan is run one way or another does not allowcate how many people play in the cb's.  Our clan is not run the same way as BTs for example.  BTs allows only the best players in their clan and everyone cb's in that clan.  Our clan is based on many players that are not on a cb team and a select few that are.  They are in teh clan because either they represent the clan in other ways or are just good people.  Then we have a cb team.  From what it sounds like here the other clans like BTs and C| that only base their clans off of skill want us at a disadvantage to play with people in the clan that have never cbed before.  Yeah that sounds fair lol.  Funny how no one said anything till we beat c| 6-2 with a 3 vs 3.  Well, we played the 4 vs 4 game last night and well, you see what we were talking about.  it ended up just like the TRIBE cb we did last season and ended up with the score of 8-6-8.  The game went on for about 4 and a half hours, with c| playing off the fact that by 1:30am EST BFG, was soo freaking tired cause he was in England that he couldnt even keep his eyes open.  We asked for a postponement till the next day but of course Dr. No refused saying they will finish the game now.  We have 5 members at this time on our CB team and because we couldnt get a fourth player, we had to pick someone outside of the cb team to fill in.  Well, if that is the only way these other clans can win.  In either case, we will play the cb with a 3 vs 3 for the next game not giving the advantage to c| because first off we tried their way and instead of a 1-2 hour game it ended up to be a 4-5 hour game.  Sorry, but I just cant see the fun in that.  So we will finish with 3 vs 3 unless we can get a 4th player, which I wouldnt hold my breath on.

+MOD+ Saberian

Another thing c|, It's nice to know that you pose it immediately when you win but we had to wait until u won a cb for you to post our win.  Thanks for being non-biased when it comes to you're job as moderator Dr. No.  Yeah right.

Stop crying...

Doc has yet to post OUR FIRST CB...

As for taking alot of time in a cb? Lil advise.. DONT CAMP OR YOU'LL BE CAMPED OUT.

How is it that a 9v9 with [one] didn't take 4 hours? There is a thing as camping then there is a thing as stop an go... search an destroy...

And how is it you have what 5 people on your cb team yet there is more then 5 people with the lil "CB ICON"

 ;D

Sab, it has nothing to do with you, or your clan.  Not in my case anyway.

Bigger CB's are more fun.  Bigger CB's really represent which clan is better.  These are CLAN battles.  Two people just doesn't represent a clan as well as 5, 7, 10, etc.  

If your clan has rules over who can and can't CB in it, that's cool.  Each clan has it's own gig, and that's a good thing.  But with 34 members in your clan, you are saying having more then 3 in a clan battle is difficult?

Honestly, it's about good clan battles, not making an advantage.  

And it's nothing new for us.  When setting up CB's, we always have more members wanting to play then the other clan, and we only have 8 active members.

Hey Eight what lil CB icon

cause im online and im not wearing anything that says Cb nor

are any of my clanmates.......so plz clarify what you think a Cb icon is

BTs Has 12 total Members. We were trying to get a 9v9 with one again but because of lack of time to finish the cbs we had to settle on a quick date. The date we had were we could have pulled of a 9v9 was Thursday, but this was not good for gambit. So we had to choose friday. This prevented us from getting several players(work, school, etc). We tried to make a 9v9 work but it was very hard to accomplish this, in 3 days. I do look forward to getting on next season. Woot, that size cb tests a clans ability of communications, tactics and recovery. If you havent been in a cb with 9 of your teamates, let me tell u, it is both Hard and Fun.

Thanks for the cb [one] you guys did great and sry we couldnt get more players on, timing sucked. We look forward to playing u guys next season.

Sab, if you will see, Nark (in our fist cb with you) is our second newest member, and i hate to say this, but he's not our "best" member at that. We had other members on-line at the time who could have played in the battle Members that have been there since day one, but we took in nark because he's been on line the most, putt in the most time, while the rest of us had takin some time off.  Then for our second cb BlackMantis who had not been around much, cb'ed.  We don't wait for our best sab, we play with what we got, and as many as we got.



You start a cb, you finnish a cb.  If you did'nt like the time, you did'nt have to agree to it.  There were 2 maps of spite in this game.  MOD had been camping off the start, and i don't mean reg camping, i mean real bad ass camping.  There were 3 maps that come to mind where MOD did not even more from there spon pont at all!  Just set your sensors and sit.  So why would we walk in to that?  Can anyone say TRAPE!?  So we got so pissed off, we did the same thing...we didnt feel good about it, but FU MOD!  Play the damn game, i know it's the finnals and everyone wants to win this, but not even moving at all?  Thats just dumb.  So it was about 9:30pm PST when they ask to postpone the cb, we had already been at it for like 3.5 hrs.  Nomaly i would say hey, sure np.  But since you guys brot this apone yourselves FORGET IT!  Sorry BFG.



YES! You have 5 members on the cb team.  WHERE ARE THEY?  Do they know that the finnals are going on right now?  Don't you mail your members about upcoming cb's!!??!!  + You did'nt even agree to cb us last night, you could have waited for your "skilled players".

How is it to our advantage to have 4 members playing in a cb?  WTF is that?  Can't you play with 4 members?  You have in the past and won.  Havent i told you this enough times already?  We have alot of members that want to be appart of the games, THE FINNALS DAMN IT!!!  Don't you?  Why should these guys that have been working for this spot on the ladder, that have made it to the finnals WOOT!!  have to go through that JUST TO SIT ON THE SIDE LINES!  Just because you will only play with your best, and don't tell me their not your best, that's bs.. You don't pick members to play in the finnals cause their good guys.  YOU WANT TO WIN!  AND I UNDERSTAIND THAT!  So you have 5 cb members, MAIL THEM PLZ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!



I post cb's when i come on-line, and if and when i feel like it.  There are 4 of us to do this job sab.  When someone asks me to post, if i have the time i'll do it.  It was 10pm when we finnished, i had time to mod the news before the next day, i did it.

Your an asshole sab, and you have made these finnalist games hell, i'm not likin it.  God be with us we beat you out so the next clan does not have to deal with this kinda shit. I've posted enough here...


This post was to sab, and sab only, cause i know he's calling all the shots over in the land of MOD.

Well first off to Eight, fuck off u crying little whore.  I have already seen you bitch about having to cb [one] again.  Poor baby, grow the fuck up adn live with it.  Second off, that is all I have heard in this post is BTs eight whining about putting more players in a cb.  You know, I thought this was supposed to be the pro's and con's of big or small cb's, not a bitch session, which in turn i shoulda known because Eight started it.  It seems that any time he cant get what he wants he whines like a little bitch about it on the forum.  It's funny how he is at the top of the ladder with his clan and he is always the one bitching on the forums.  
     As for Dr. no you guys camped just a fucking much as we did cause you knew that if you lost that it would have been the end.  It's unreal that you bitch about camping when you guys did the same fucking thing.  Airbase for example.  Why dont you show everyone that replay, yeah, i thought so.  Talk about camping whores. Hmm, it seems that you and Eight have a lot in common about camping.  You know, you talk all this shit, but ya dont realise that when you do the same thing and bitch about it, it is called being a hippocrite.  Yes, it seems that you Dr. No and Eight share that dilemma.
     As for the rest that have talked about the bigger games.  Fine, I can understand why you would want to play the games bigger.  It makes sense, but a finals game is supposed to be played with the best of each team.  So Dr. No, if you dont take ure best and you lose, whose fucking fault is it?  That's right, your's!  It is a finals game idiot!  You play with the best players you have.  What, you dont like that!?!.  Too fucking bad, get over it cause all this forum crap that eight started is whining.  lol

Not sure if I should apologize for No's rant.  You called him out, and it was probably expected.  We work hard at getting all our members cb ready.  The best way to do it is throw them in.  Those who put the time in (like nark) get the green light.  

This post is directed to MOD only because they've challenged us again (thank you) but only a 3v3.  I get the feeling this will erupt into an argument.  

I envy the fact you have 20+ members.  I notice your practice rooms, and would love to have inter-clan practices like that.  I can tell that the practices have paid off.  Very impressive playing by the MOD team.  No joke.  

Yet I feel like you guys might be abusing the looseness of the rules.  3v3 battles are allowed because of smaller clans (I'm assuming). With your size you guys are a full blown clan and it should be expected that it would be no problem at all to field a team of four.  I understand, its no secret, that you guys play much better at 3v3.  You probably have many drawn battle plans with 3v3, and probably put a lot of work into those.   I'm guessing that you guys won many battles with this 3-man size getting you here to the finals.  Congrats.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.  Because if it was with a majority four man team I see no reason this should be so difficult to field a four man team.    

These are GhR clan championships.  Hmmm... and I'm wondering what defines a truly victorous clan.  Pick yur three best players? maybe one way.  Have every single member in your "clan" battle?  another good way to determine the best, but less likely to coordinate.  

In basketball, baseball, football the overall champions are determined by overall TEAM play.  Having just one or two all-stars doesn't cut it.  TEAM should = CLAN.  We, c|, practice 4 man, 5 man, and 6 man team play because that is the standard expected sizes by serious clans.  We do play 3 man occasionally, but I don't see that this should be expected in the finals.  

We are feeling pressured here, against our will, to HAVE to play a 3v3.  Should we?  I'm really not sure based on the current rules.  I'm guessing that MOD feels that their best chance to advance is to play only a 3v3 game.  I doubt that other clans in the finals will allow this again.  THOUGHTS........?

HEHE
Cried becuase we had to cb [one] again...

hrm...
12 members.... 57 cbs...
33 members...  27 cbs...

 ???

May the best TEAM WIN!
33 members and you can't even get 1 for each person... sad...

Maybe they should leave MOD an form a new clan?
 8)



As for camping... You remember that replay? POW CAMP? where it shows MOD in true camptastic fashion....

I got plenty more of you guys camping... and the funny thing is? We CB'd 1 time..

 ;D

Well said SsickBoy.

Whatever Dr. No.  First off, Airbase was map #15 in the game so it wasnt the last two games, but I am glad that you admit to camping the last two games as well cause u camped as much as we did cause you were afraid to lose.  But here's the thing.  I really dont care weather you camp or not.  You see, in real warfare, you dont rush and become a target at every instance, unless you are a SWAT team lor something of that nature.  As for you guys crying about it.  Hmm, it seems quite odd that you post this right after we beat c| in a 3 vs 3 game.  I bet that you guys wouldnt have said a fucking thing if you had won.  That's what I thought.
     As for 4 vs 4 it does usually take longer in cb's.  Plus the reason we usually play well, and play 3 vs 3 is because when we played in cb's earlier in the season a 3 vs 3 was the most common game played in cb's overall with the clans.  It seems that 3 people was the most that other clans could get on at the time.  So we went with that, and we play well 3 vs 3.  So by playing 3 vs 3 there is nothing wrong with it.  We again, just went by the rules that you cant seem to handle, so again, piss off, and eight, stop whining again cause it's very unbecoming.
     +MOD+ isnt always about winning unlike BTs Eight. A lot of our clansmen are in our clan cause we like playing the game together.  It isnt always about cb's.  Then we have a cb team, and that is why we do, so they can play in CB's together.  Let's see, hmm, Joka, who is a great player for example left ure clan because u wouldnt let him play against c| anymore.  Strange, how you say you will let anyone play, yet at the same time you do shit like this.  Ya see, it all comes around in a full circle when it comes to you being a hippocrite.  So plz, dont stick ure foot in ure mouth like u always do.  And plz, dont fucking whine anymore.  it shows how fucking lame you really are.
     As for Dr. no, well, I will state this again, our clan is not designed like yours.  Ya see, not everyone in our clan plays cb's.  We practice and play together cause we like playing the game.  I really am not trying to start shit, but when I hear this crap about people bitching about the rules that are layed in front of them and it kinda goads me.   And then I see you DR. No. starting shit about having a lot of players online playing the games.  it blows me away that you cannot concieve another clan operating differently then yours.  We are not like you guys.  Not only do we play for fun, but we play cb's as well.  And since cb's are different from the average Multiplayer game, that is why many of our guys opt not to play cb's.  Our guys know that, and understand.  But there are a few that didnt and so they left.  It's one thing if people bitch about something that isnt fair and should be changed.  It's another that people bitch about something to try and make it easier for their team to win.  Dr No, you bitch about people starting slame wars online, but if you repaly to something like this thread then expect to get in the middle of one.  Especially when it has to do with you guys losing a game.  Oh, no!  c| lost a game! plz.  
     Many people have people in their clans that dont cb, so I dont want to hear about why we dont cb with huge numbers.  It seems that c| has roughly 13 members, and they all cb.  Good for them, but again, we are not like that.  Not all of our members cb.  BTs has around 14 members, and I can guarantee all the members wont be cbing in the finals.  Again, the finals are for the best of the best.  Each clan wants their best members in the game to do their best.  Of course we want to win, but i dont think we have to sacrifice games just because c| or BTs wants us to.  So if you guys dont like it, tough shit.  Cause u are gonna have to deal with it.

Sab cant you see that from our side it so hard to not bitch.  You guys have so many members, yet you only do 3v3, even after telling us you have 5 cb members, 5!  I just think this being the finnals, is a time that more of a clan should be apart of, they have all worked for it, and hard.  I feel pushed it to this 3v3 crap, and i hate it cause all it is is camp time, hope for that fist kill, then camp, don't be seen.  As if you don't see that.  We could have waited our first cb for you to get a 4th, but we didnt.  Now you've won a 3v3 cb.  Then you saw the bitching about 3v3 and did 4v4, didnt like that, so your going to do 3v3.  Well w/e man, gl to ya but i still feel bad about the whole thing.  I just dont get the same feeling with you guys eather.  How do you feel about camping it out, picking us off, good?  Sure you can call it a tactic i guess, i've just never seen it so bad.  And the only reason we had to start camping is cause of the first round we had, you killed us, camping out like that.  So now we have to go hella slower...yay...not...boring.

btw i had posted a trashy post before sabs, i think thats why he's bashing me so.

Does it?

Joka left because he wouldn't follow team leaders commands so we told him to sit out for one cb... Now I am sure he would of left your sorry excuse for a clan if you told him you was cbing instead of him...

I do feel sorry for your clan... Alot of good guys... yet talent is being wasted because Sab is the cb guy! He knows how to camp... *cough* play so well..?

33 members dvided by 3 is 11...
Hrm.. MOD guys imagine all the cb you all would get if you split into 3 clans... and think of the freedom?! youll have a chance to mingle with other clan members and nf them!

Whatever guys...
Think about it... Once MOD is eliminated by c| on saturday...

 :o

oooooooh, i think that is pretty harsh, but then again, so is this whole thing, mauti is gonna have some words about this!!

I'm sure he's enjoying the free=for-all-melee that is the DAMN FORUMS.  This is getting good.......what's next?


                    BTs_STuRM :-[

I'm trying not to get mixed in "camp" talk.  In one way it sucks.  But the MOD guys are not doing anything that any other clan has not done before.  They just do it a little more often and better.  The """"'camping'""" that MOD does rides the rules and has strategy to it.  I do however wish the rules (If it were possible, but it's not) favored more aggressive play.

minus all the talk of camping tactics (shit) tossing either side.  MoD, even in four man games, have been playing great matches.  freakin close ass games.    

Plz answer me this though. Why are you guys ruling out a 4v4? If all 5 of your cb members of 20+ show up, then why not be open to a 5v5?  

BTW if any of you extra MOD guys wanna apply to c| and cb ever, please do.  A late invite to Sturm included.  For record we only have 9 active members.  4 not active (retired)

Actually Sickboy I do agree with what you are saying about camp talk.  it get's old and everyone does it.  Now with the 5 vs 5 i wouldn't mind but it is hard to get our guys together.  most of them have lives outside the games so it makes things hard for us as a cb squad.  I tried asking two of my guys to play tomorrow as a fourth man to get another 4 vs 4 playing but because of the time differences it makes it hard for them to all get online, but we will see.   Maybe we can get another 4 vs 4 if we wait a while after the 5pm EST mark.  Who knows, it's not like we are against a 4 vs 4 or higher, we just got to get the men online.  But I will seriously try.

BTW, since everyone knows that camping is a tatict, and GhR lends itself to camping all too much, that's why I suggested Warzone and not Last Man Standing.  I hate the camping, and if one team starts, the other team doesn't have a lot of choice.  With only one life, it's hard to stop a good camp.  So, if you agree, throw some more weight behind that idea.

Umm ssick?

Sturm is BTs go bark up MOD's tree!

 >:(

     I'd like to hear from the clans that played that 9v9. How long did it take to actually play the CB (that is, after all the hassle of getting it started)? My theory is that the bigger a CB is, the less time it takes, because once one team is down a few men, the other team has a big advantage in numbers and can really put the pressure on, generally resulting in a quick victory.

     I wanna hear whether I'm correct or whether I'm completely and totally wrong and should be slapped on the belly with a wet trout.

If Sab continues to use this 3v3-tactic, people from MOD will eventually leave the clan by themselfs. Have patience Ssickboy  ;)

"Joka left because he wouldn't follow team leaders commands so we told him to sit out for one cb... Now I am sure he would of left your sorry excuse for a clan if you told him you was cbing instead of him..."
 (how the hell do i quote)  ??? ???

well anyway...

Eight as you well know ;) that was only the katalysator to why i left, not the actual explosion...what kind of team wins as a team, but when some losses come find a scape goat ??? i dont know...bts?

(if im getting the motor parts right this should make sense)  :)

And as for dr.no your text is too high up so i cant copy paste it but
(yes im using my constitutional right to but in, even its non of my business)  ;D

they camped first, so you did it too eh?....

Let me guess, the game went something like this....
dr.no- my ass senses are tingeling, i can feel mod placing sensors...lets camp
c| guys- sounds like a good estimate, fine by me
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

sry just adding my 2cents to this pool-of-sarcasm-and-trash-talk  ;)

how about this...admins lock and delete eights trash thread aka. "Large cbs!"

Cause nothing good is obvioulsy coming out of this  :(

now as a final touch il quote a line from a great movie...
(dont take it litterally, just blowing some steam ;) )

....fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, your ok, fuck you and FUCK y o u im outta here... ;D ;D ;D

Summer!!!!

well, [V] are an attack minded kinda team, so watch your front enemies.

C o k e

OK i can't read this thread without having to reply in some way. I don't know where to start there is so much bullshit flying about. Its increadable.

I don't know how many times Im going to have to post somthing explaining why we have a lot of members and not a history of large cb's. If you can't read then its not worth my effort. But after seeing at least 3 or four posts of guys suggesting to our members to either leave, or split into a new clan well id appreciate it if you just "went forth and procreate"

MOD is doing nothing wrong in playing 3v3 cbs, untill the finals we have had no complains or shit... well apart from Eight who seems to spend his spare time trying to stir as much bullshit up as he can.. not to mention the harrashing of our players.

Im going to say nothing against collective, we had had some great great games against you guys in our finals matches. Some great intense battles and some seriously closly matched games. Its what i love... although doing a cb untill 6:30am isn't somthing im so keen on... need some knew paper clips to pin my eyelids back now.

As for you eight. I wasn't going to even think about wasting my time replying to your bullshit. Perhaps you should try living in the real world a bit and learn some social skills.
Lovely use of the scapgoat with Joka. Your team obviously respect and enjoy playing together in a great sense of teamwork. And you share your wins and loss's together. And your such a mature easy going bunch to play with No sarcasm.. honest. really.  Oh and I won't say anything about screenshots of members with Cheet folders on their desktops with GhR in window mode.

Very quickly... if there a clan out there that hasn't camped before then it can't be a very good one. this is not Rambo or Quake III we are playing. Its about killing your enemy before they know whats hit them. Its about tatics, about strategy and about surviving.

If collective beat us tonight then fine. As long as the MOD guys in the battle play to the best of their abilitys, and we have some good games then I will be happy. Dissapointed but happy in the knowledge that we did our best and at the end of the day lost to a team that simply played better than we do. If we win, then I'll be happy that we've beaten currently the best GhR clan around. No shit, no slagging, no crap.... BTS... by the way eight why don't you change your name from BattleTec to BullShit? Its seems a little more suitable given your behaviour.

No talent is not being wasted. And no sab is not the 'CB guy'. IF you have ever heard of somthign called democracy then you will understand that virtually all MOD desisions are made either between the Top 2, or top 5 members. And we don't use scapegoats, or blame members for cb loss's. We have a lot of great players in the clan. Unfortuatly a lot of them aren't on as much as we would like. But we also have a lot of new guys who are learning to play together, who are training, practising and having fun.
Maybe we don't have the best and greatest players, although I consider both Saberian and Skillz to be a couple of outstanding players when they are on form. But then again, we arn't elitest, and we dont try to pull players from other clans. Funny that.

Thanks. oh and c| ? Looking forward to it tonight :D

I'd have alot more respect for MOD if they didn't dodge every cb vs c| an BTs during the regular season and then come to the finals with this 3v3 crap and yes everyone has camped before but not to the level that you guys do it... may i remind you of exhibit 1?

www.battleteksquad.com/MODvsBTs.sit

Funny thing is... we cb'd once and yet somehow i have about 6 replays of hard camping... Like pathetic hard camping...

It's just a bit frustrating when you ask someone for a clan battle an you get 3 guys who are going to do nothing but sit around and wait for someone to pass by there vision...

I would rather just play in public servers where at least i'd have some fun...

And yes I did start this thread but i started it because of DFA... Yet somehow you felt this thread was all about you huh?

This wouldn't be much of a problem if this was the regular season, because you wouldn't play us then, and we werent obligated to sit there like the c| guys have to game after game an endure that BS...

As for the 9v9... It didn't take long and it was so hard and so fun.... I can pretty much talk for everyone of us 18 guys that it was a total blast...!

As for Joka... he wasn't a scape goat... He was told to sit back on a few maps... yet he didn't listen got shot and gave us a disavantage.

Odd how we started loosing alot less then huh? Shit 12 members... and he couldnt sit out for one game? GREAT TEAM PLAYER

more like a little kid.... IM NOT PLAYING? I'M GOING HOME AND I'M TAKING MY BALL WITH ME, right joka?

I'm only pissed because MoD is a good clan with some very great payers... Yet somehow, they keep loosing using the same 3 guys..

I got stats too of our only cb this season... Maybe Sab should sit out a few game?

Hey I got an idea?!
Lets just split all clans into 3 men clans... and then there will be alot of cbs! At least MOD will make up 11 diffrent new clans... and i bet all 33 members would then be cbing....

LOL this is amazing stuff. how do you come up with it?


Lol. Ok that is bullshit. In case it has slipped your mind we actually played BT's Twice, and im not surprised that we didn't want to play against you at the end of the season... after all that crap?

Erm so if we were dodging BT's becasue we only did 2 cb's with you then we also were dodging the following clans:

db|    [a]     [GG]     [v]     |MP|    [TRIBE]      [EUR]    [OZ]      c|    

and many many many  others

Ahh you were talking about DFA? Funny that how you don't mention them at all in the first post.... very funny, you don't mention DFA in your second post either.. but you do mention MOD..... erm and your refering to us in your 3rd post as well ("30 of 33 members")
Stupid me for thinking you weren't talking about MOD at all.

Eight did i at any point say that we didn't camp on the infamouse POW camp map? Errr No i didn't. We knew we had a great advantage after making an early kill. For all we knew to start with you guys could well ahve had both exits coverd and be simply waiting for a head to pop out.... and I do somwhat have a recolection of one or two of your players lying on their own stomach's for a very very long time.

Sure just play in public servers. It would be nice not to have to see your crap bitching on the Damn forums.

"I'm only pissed because MoD is a good clan with some very great payers... Yet somehow, they keep loosing using the same 3 guys."
Oh would that be the players that youve got your eyes on trying to get into BT's?
And since when did we loose so many cb's? we actually had a very decent win rate. We had a couple of shockers (a bad loss against bLr .. no offence to you guys) but every clan has its bad days.

One more time we cb'ed twice. twice means two. two is one plus one.

Tell you what, how about you Fuck off, leave MOD alone and stop causing shit with other guys? It would make a lot of people a lot happier? Of course your clan is perfect im sure and you don't have any problems or anything... right... sure.  Im still not quite sure why your unable to read the several posts now explaining why we have a lot of guys but not a lot who cb... but then again if you don't like somthing i doubt you read it.

I didn't want to mention any names... Yet doc did mention you guys were doing this crap with over 33 members... I just thought i was kinda funny is all... 33 members only 3 can cb...

I also have replays of many other cbs were all u did was camp it up.... This season an last... NOT ONE OF THESE REPLAYS DO YOUR GUYS MOVE MORE THEN 40 METERS EACH!

As for your players that are now in BTs... they came to me along with a bunch of your high ranking players... Who i will leave nameless but do have ss of them asking me if we're recruiting...

Kinda funny how they came to me and yet you think i want your mod guys?

If you lost 2 already to BTs and have a shitload more asking if they can join... maybe you should let a few other people cb.

And for the record i don't want any of your MOD guys, I would like to cb them in the future though maybe if they weren't mod they would play the game and not zzzz at their spawn points. MAKE THE GAME FUN STOP SNOOZING...

hey joka, can you say "Sensor Trap"?

and f.y.i most of the time we would have .5 if not .75 of the map coverd.  So you tell me what to do when you have no nads and there is a guy waiting around a corner for you prone.

I have viewed this long enough. Eight honestly I think your bitching and whining is enough. Only because it isn't your way it isn't right!?

May you have forgotten your time when you were at DEA!??? Obviously but may I have to put up the old threads and issues between you and Virus where you had 6 or more players online and finally cancelled the match because you hadn't enough players online. This is note a 1:1 summary of the real happenings but comes pretty close to your and DEAs behaviour.

They are good and trained as 3man team. If you look at the BL the average cb is played as 3vs3 so stop with your whining especially because you don't even fight vs MOD.

That's ridiculous. BTs should show more respect and manner.

Regards,

Mauti

Pfff
Right now i should be long away from here, but since theres no buss going there today....i come home to this shit  :(

Eight, I told you why i left. If you wanna make your own assumptions about it, keep them to yourself ok?

Plz take alook in the mirror before you start throwing shit around
Im not the one "threatening" (if you woulda left the finals, grrrreat. Less shit to deal with) Mauti
"i want it my way or im leaving" <----look familiar? Childish if you ask me

And as for camping......lol, i wont even go there but you shouldnt go around accusing others of it publicly much either...

How about you hit me with your sarcasm one more time and we leave it at that, i wont reply as long as theres no lie's in it, like in the last one.

This is the last Post for BTs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen, This thread was started after the former DFA team forced  us into doing 3v3. They said they "thought" they had a better chance of beating us. They also tried to camp us out. That didn't work.

9v9, didn't really take that long, it was hard to coordinate all of those guys in the game, but if you ask anyone in it and they will tell you how much fun it was.

As for Joka, I really didn't want to discuss the reason why Joka left!!!!!!! Because I like Joka, but since it was already laid out there, Joka left because he was asked to Sit out of the next few cbs. He was asked to not do something several times in a game and he felt if he did it anyway "he" could win that game/map. Well it didn't happen and he even felt bad about it not working. It was a team decision to have Joka sit out and that is what happened. Sorry Joka, but you are not an escape goat. Now I believe Joka has learned a lot of the past and he is getting to be an even better player. He is working well with his new clan and is a real danger to anyone he is CBing.

As for MoD, please stop your bashing about eight. I guess i am going to be the one to start posting team desisions on here. Just cause he posts something, dont assume its all him, there are 3 team leaders for BTs and we like to discuss things with the entire team if we can. So I ask you again to please lay of 8 and start complaining about ME.

I will leave things here, and ask all BTs members to not post anymore here about this. I believe the point was made about small cbs being less fun for the entire clan. Lets have a good time in finals and next season.

P.S. If you like doing small battles, BTL has a 1v1 ladder and a 2v2 ladder.. Come get some!!

AWWW FUSION!

I was just having some fun! Can i at least post the other replays?
 ;D


Oh an Mauti...
Your right... the CB setup against V last season when we was in DEA was because the guy who did setup the cb didn't show... hence a reason for me to leave DEA...

Has this happened with BTs? ahhh no..

Sorry, the teacher in me is making me jump in and correct BFG on this point.

2 or 5 of 34 making the decisions is not a democracy.  It's an oligarchy.  

It's ok if that's what your clan wants.  I'm not passing judgement on it, I'm just correcting the usage.  |MP| is run like a democracy.  We all have a vote on new members, and anyone can set up and be in CB's.   It works for us, but we are a small clan.

So don't take that the wrong way, I just hate it when a word like that is used that way.  Sparta was an oligarchy, Athens was a democracy (even if not a good one).

Ok, back the the action of clan bitching =D.

Point taken Bucc,  not quite a democracy... Not 35 members though for the last time ;)  but then again... we arn't a dictatorship either!

Cheers

I said 34, and that's what it was when I did a find for +MOD+.  I just did another and it's down to 32.  Looking closer, I only see one sure case of two accounts for the same name.  So 31 unless there are more doubles with different names.  =D

Yeah, unfortunatly there were quite a few members who didn't exactly come online very often... when i say often i mena rarely... when i say rarely i mean virtually never ;)

It is still showing 34 or 32 or whatever members becasue they havn't been online still to take off their MOD tag! ... which kinda proves how rarely they are online!!

Yeah, that makes sense BFG, but you can understand why people think you have that many members too.  

So, how many actual members are there?

Yeah very understandable.. afterall the tag is how you know who's in a clan...
Tally Stands at 23 guys... Rather large still, but then again a good chunk of that 23 are on rather rarely.

Hey BFG, maybe you could talk to Evill and see if he can remove the tag. That might be an option. We have one former member that still has the BTs tag, I will see what I can do about that one. Anyway, not to sure how many of your guys will be able to cb, but we will not ask you for more than you have. We are expecting 3v3 games, although we would love to have more, you will just have to let us know how many will be cbing.

BFG and Sab,

        I know we haven't communicated for too long (my fault), but please ask for a big CB to heighten possibility of my inclusion.  This would mean very much to me as even though I PWN, I am still the 12th newest BTs and the 12th lowest-seniority weilding.  Remember-- a vote for large CBS is a vote for STuRM!!!!!!

          BTs_STuRM :-[

Yeah true fusion, he has allready been contacted, with a list of the members and their account numbers... hopfully scott can sort it..  

Yeah we will see what we can do.. i'll let you know asap.

hmmmmm, I guess not.  Please for the redo of the 06/30/03 fiasco could MOD field 6v6?  I would say 5v5 but Im trying to ensure my inclusion--not that anyone would want me along anyway (BTs or MOD) lol, jk,

                         BTs_STuRM


             
                       :-[
PS-- there woou;ld also be two or 4 more dudes for the potential flame-wars-lol.

ARE YOU KIDDING?!

They lag with 4 and you want to do a 6v6...

BS

Oh yeah, Sorry,

     maybe a 1v1 would be best?

             BTs_STuRM :-[

Another one of Eight's whining moments.  People mark this down cause there is more to come lol

What I am wrong?

You guys didn't lag?

This thread is getting old.  let's plz stop the bickering and just enjoy the game instead of wasting more time here in this. TY

AGREED!
By the way.. great games... i take everything nasty i have ever said about you...

My lil noob has grown up =)

And killed me =(