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 ::applause::

I hope all clans using these cheats will be properly punished for there actions.

This is not fair on clans who play fair.

If you visited *DAMN's website yesterday you could download the full screen night vision files because it was obviously the easiest way to offer the modification to everyone until I found out that it also gives the sniper full screen. 30 persons downloaded the files. - My fault!

Well I'm just speaking with some PC players and how the problem has been handled there because you can't proove that someone uses such cheats. If you observe a player it will show the night vision with your files.

Supergrid command maps aren't considered as cheating and are offered by all great GR PC mod websites however night vision is obviously a problem. I'll post more in the main news once I spoke with more PC players.

Bye,

Mauti

I have to agree with Flies.   More and more people are using cheats within the mac gaming community.  i do not believe that again it is fair to the other players out there.   This Night vision crap has been on  the site for 2 days now granted, but there were clans that were using this cheat for longer then that.  I understand that now it is a legal Cheat.  Whatever that means.  But there were many CB's with certain clans that were played already without the knowledge of every other member of the Ghost Recon Community.  Plus this now almost eliminates the need or use of a sniper rifle on night maps, which again is bullshit.  It takes the skill out of the game.  It seems that many other Mac area's out there are getting more corrupt every day, or biased should I say.  This is not a good thing.

When I am home I gonna post about it in the main news. There will be a general amnesty for all guys that used it but from now on it will be considered as cheating and players that use it will get a season ban from the BL.(I also make a BL rule service update where you can ask a player to make a screenshot from you if you think he cheats because that's the only way where you can see if he cheats or not)

Bye,

Mauti

I have also heard of people that have disbanned the weather mode that means they have no fog or rain etc:

And I have heard of people that has modified there weapeons that means if he is the host his gun could be modified!

I heard the BT clan  and the C clan uses the mod Night Vision for sure!!  and some one else told me they use even more but you cant prove that can you!

Well this battle season is really screwed up now it does not go on 100% skill of the clan! Doesnt matter who wins this season at least for me cause so many people got cheats! If I was in a clan it would not make sence to fight  casuse of the cheats!  Like Flies said its really a pitty    >:( :(

Boy, I love how Warrior 7 can come on here and make completely unsubstantiated accusations against c| (and pretty much every other clan other than Virus) when i've never once seen him online.

Anyhow, c| does not use cheats, and we'll gladly offer up screenshots in any CB to anyone who wants to see it.

Splinter you want to tell us that you dont use the Night Vision MOD? Well maybe you dont but some of your clan does for sure ! I would think if one does they all do!  That was said in a chat room from one of the BT guys i am informed, and he also said the BT clan uses it as well  So dont go acting like your some innocent guy getting picked on please!
Maybe the V clan does too How should I know but they did not say anything about this!

I just got this link from our (tribe) forum and i am taking the liberty to and my 2 cents.

Cheating will allways be present. It is a fact and nothing can be donne against it as long as there is no way of monitoring the games (the screen shot idea is a first step but far from effecient - can there be a monitoring mod). As long as players seek victory and not self improuvemt u are sure players will find ways to win with more ease.

From a personal point of view i think that these discoveries are just the tip of the iceberg and for the moment they are trivial. I am  convinced that there are other cheats out there that are far less inoccent (please note that some people consider me slighty paranoiac - they are out there to get me!). Usually when we discover cheats you are pretty sure they are allready outdated. I am sure i am not the only one with this point of view .

As long as there is no way to verify effeciently who cheats and as long as we humans are not enlightened, there will be cheats.

It seams that virtual world is unfourtunatly a good reflection of our sad reality.

 :P

Kind regards

Ikono

ps: I am surprised that some are surprised

I know of a few people that have had the Nightvision Cheat since the beginning of Season 1. I heard them talking about it in a game one time, and didn't really know what it was until now. It wouldn't be fair to post their names, since Mauti has already granted everyone amnesty that had used it previously. However, if you need the names, Mauti, I'll tell ya. Oh, and no, it isn't anyone from AgT.

hi guys


   I'm using the full screen night vision... and me and someone else developed it, but we didn't do the sniper scope mod.   Here's why i did it, being in the military, and actually using night vision goggles, they actually do offer peripheral vision, not this stoopid circle that people see in movies and shit. For example, put binoculars to your face, and tell me what you see... YOU SEE two circles in front of your eyes? I didn't think so.  Same goes for NVG's.  The game is not a true 180 degree view like you get through human eyes, therefore, I don't consider it a cheat. Anywho...  the mod has been taken out until this has become an officailly ratified mod.


SignTist

what are you talking about dood??? get a life and learn a little about what's happening in the world. You're not even in a clan fool!


SignTist

Wouldn't be a bad idea to tell us all.....

ViRuS doesn't cheat and we don't wanna play with people who do.

Later,
Dutchman

Umm Dutchie,   I told your boys, you know who has it and who doesn't

  SignTist

I agree with mauti's new rule,
I will admit to trying that NV/Sniper mod for a few games quite a while ago (back when cunt lived).
 At first i thought it was no big deal, it just took away the small hole we have to look thru. Then it became obvious why this is a cheat.
On maps like ghost town where peripheral view extends the fog line a few meters, and NV helps to see a little bit further is where this cheat really makes a difference. Combining NV and peripheral view allows one to see an extra 30-50 meters thru the fog.

The Map Grid isn't a cheat IMHO, it helps communication somewhat but not very much. If you want to talk about tactical advantages, talk about netfone.

I'm glad this is cleared up, and maybe we can all pitch in and buy the ubisoft programers a book on proper client-server programing.

oh btw, if you think its the tip of the iceburg there is one epic hack that has been found. I'll email the details to mauti because the general noob going public shouldn't know about this untill there is a way to stop it.

Ok, I'll ask 'em.

One more question:
Did BTs used this cheat during the last cb against ViRuS?

I agree I think Grid maps would be agood idea. This is meant to be a realistic modern game is it not? and I havent seen a modern map yet that dosnt have a grid. If anything I think this improves the game.

I hope this has convinced you, that the grid maps should not be thought as a cheat.

well... I know of these files, not afraid to admit I had the NV at one point. This was before the c| clan was ever formed.  I want to assure you that in the c| clan, "if one does they all do!" does not apply.  A lot of our guys never heard of it as far as I know.  

Now that the forum is open on this NV issue, I got no probs with the new rule.  I think the full-screen NV is an unfortunate cheat.  The regular NV is an obstical natural to the game, and is a part of overall skill battle measurement.  Sorry signy but its about the platform we're playing on.

check this:  At ONE point during the actual cb, type a message to all saying "c| Ssickboy: pleaze take a screen shot now with NV on."  Then AFTER the battle everyone sends screen shots to one designated person to the other team.  screen shot should have normal NV with the text on top: "c| Ssickboy: pleaze take a screen shot now."  (not so tricky)

Cool to hear the issue being addressed and hope this works out.  You cheaters out there, just know... if you cheat, you will never truly be as great as the ssickness.  =)  

BTW warrior I have never heard of the weather tweaks/cheats.  Yes there are server side mods that draw some variation for all who play in an open battle on GR.  that doesnt give any extra advantage to anyone person, and they are not used in the cb's anyway.  thats all I know

SsicK

So can someone make the mod so you dont get the full screen sniper view with full screen NV?  If this could be made, i would be all for useing it, and i agree with mauti and sign that the reg NV sucks and is not anything like the real thing.

I think this thread is a foolish waste of time.  I can say firsthand that I have never used the full screen night vision mod.  I utilize NV every now and then.  It does help to spot enemies in certain instances.  In fact this is the first time I have heard of the Mod.  
With that said... I don't have a problem with it.  I don't think it provides all that much of an advantage, if any.  CB's are reliant on tactics and communication.  Next thing you'll say is Netphone provides an unfair advantage to those clans who use it.   Lets move past this and play the game.  Stop pointing fingers.  I think its bogus.  
Mantis...my $.02
P.S. I hate sniping and we should be focusing on the campers out there who dont move more than 30ft from there spawn points.  These are the guys who lost the real point of the game and CB's
:Bump:

I have a few opinions on the whole cheating thing.  In order to understand and accurately determine when a cheat is being used, you have to know something about the cheats.  If this is the *DAMN Battle League, I would hope that *DAMN has done some research into what cheats are available, how long they have been out, and perhaps how to tell if someone has, or is using them.  I would hope this isn't the first time they have heard of it though.  What kind of a league would that be if they were behind the times?  I wish everyone would stop ACTING so nieve.  Coming from a PC gaming community, I know cheats come out everyday.  It's not like GhR hasn't had cheats until now.  There are, and have been since the game came out, cheats for SIFF, Maps, Zooms, Skins, Sound Effects, Doppleganger Cheat (clone of you running around drawing fire), Observer mode while playing, and many others.  Many of the people who were making the cheats for PC are now just porting them over to Mac.  Try it, go to Google and type in something about cheating and ghost recon.  See what you find.  Yeah it's mostly PC, but I'm sure there are quite a few Mac Warez sites out there.  Also, I can agree with the fact that Full Night Vision is a cheat, but people are claiming things they do not know about.  The FNV that is out there was not designed as it was.  The original game data was simply transformed.  The reason the black circle thingy is gone is because whoever made the mod simply took off that part of the game.  That's why snipers don't have it as well.  The night vision aspect of it was taken out all together.  If you look into the game data files you can clearly see that the FNV isn't night vision at all.  It's simply a shade filter, like when you look at your map and everything gets a little darker.  The original programmer of the FNV took out the existing night vision file all together and made a new one.  There are even ways to have both night visions in your data file at the same time!  You can toggle them with seperate keys as well.  Furthermore, the "recently updated" version of GhR took the existing night vision files added a pixelization mod.  If you can remember back to the days ofthe originally fresh installed GhR, night vision was clear AND could cut out all fog and see further in the distance on every map.  If I were to use the files, would that be cheating?  It came with the original disc right?  Basically, I would consider the old night vision more of a cheat than the current FNV.  I also agree with SignTist that night vision is full in real life.  If we are not going to try to emulate this type of a situation, then NETFONE should be considered a cheat as well.  Why?  Cause dead men can't talk.

I hope no one takes offense to this post as it was not directed to anyone or any clan.  I apologize in advance if this does upset anyone, but again, these are my opinions, and since I'm writing them from the U.S.A., I still have my right of free speech.


--- |n|`Noto

....well, ok, point taken Flies, but what do we do now to prevent cheating? Take SS's? I've been taking to some people today about this, and their responce was, "well i have my PC right next to me, whoes going to stop me from croping the ss with reg NV".  That is if we do the SS rule for seeing if they have this mod.  + the fact that in order to prevent this mod, its going to cause more problems and take more time before battle to make everyone happy.  Why dont we come up with idea's to help with this and/or take a vote on it.

The only thing I can come up with is to distrubute the files to everyone. I know that most people don't like the idea of it, but unfortunately, until there can be a way to fix this, it's the only viable solution to keep everyone on a level playing field. While I would like to think that everyone would be honest about not using it, there are always one or two people that take advantage of other's honesty. Therefore, I suggest making the files available again, unless someone can make an anti-cheat mod that will effectively eliminate the problem.

Flies,

I already made my clear statement that it is cheating and that we don't allow it. I just answered to SignTist.

Dr. No this modification will be banned and the thing that prevents you from doing a screenshot from your PC is that you type something on the screen and that you only have a certain time period before you have to send the pic to the other team so you don't have time enough to recreate it.

Bye,

Mauti

When I look at this thread I am very dissapointed a lot of people think so lightly about this cheating.
And i am surprised how many people used them. Even people from top clans. Now I ask myself: how they became good? By skills or by modifying the data folder of GhR?

Now don't tell me that I cheat by using Netfone. Netfone is allowed by the BattleLeague rules. Modifying your GhR data without telling the other team is considered CHEATING by those same rules.

Try to play the game instead of figuring out how to modify the game to your benefit.

Dutchman / ViRuS

BTW: what will happen with the next big cheat-discovery? Full amnesty again?

As I said before this cheating mod is bullshit, and some people have even more, and the people that take lightly to it are the people that use it and  need it i guees, simple as that !!

  To Clan 'Battle now would make no sence to  me as I said before  !  The win is not measured on skill anymore what is a pitty!  The league here did not research the mod enough before they gave out the Download what is a pitty,  but there was people with this Mod before the Leauge brought it out anyway!

ghr killer >:(

what are you talking about dood??? get a life and learn a little about what's happening in the world. You're not even in a clan fool!
SignTist

I can only say just shut the fuck up you cheater!! (people with no skill always make shit like this!! fact!! and use it)

and to move one

This just proves my point that alot of people had this before(BT-C etc) and now and they will keep on using it who is to stop them? Clan Battle League has no value this year or in the future I think, until there is a solution to atleast the pending cheats that are on the surface of the earth!

I hope I didn't rattle too many chains with my NetFone comment.  I was merely pointing out the fact that NF could be considered a cheat. :o  If a cheat is defined as something that gives tactical advantage to one team over another, and is not of the original game data, then NF would be a cheat of sorts.  I use NF.  I love it.  It's a ton of fun to have live contact with people across the globe and to make friendships with people who's names you can't even pronounce.  ;)  Do we not consider NF a cheat because of it's overwhelming good points?  I only bring this up to counter the claim that Full Night Vision is a cheat as well.  FNV is available to everyone.  NF is only available to people who have microphones.  FNV gives clearer sight to everyone, but it does not help you aim or shoot more accurately.  NF let's dead men speak to one another.  FNV does not give coordinates of the enemy on a map.  NF allows members who have been knocked out of a cb due to being killed the chance the speak with all members and be "the map guy".  8)

You see, in these few points, NF seems more like a cheat than FNV.  I'm not saying that NF should be considered a cheat, but I am saying that if something that is not fully accessible (microphones) to the gaming community is allowed, then why can't something that everyone can have, and without tremendous advantage, cannot be used.  In our young age of technology, most of the solutions to these newly found cheat problems that we are discovering will not be adequate solutions.  Taking screen shots will only promote Photoshop users to hone their skills, not to deter cheaters.

Final point.  As long as we play in the community that we play in, cheaters will always be present.  I think we should be thankful the cheating aspect of this game is not in as full of a form as the PC version.  We all know it's just not fun.  Also, I obviously do not feel that NF or FNV are cheats, although there are many points that can consider them one way or the other.  I think what the GhR Mac community needs to focus on are game data cheats such as walking through walls, changing enemy skins, enhanced zooms, reticule locks, body armor, and basically anything anyone can think of.  If you can jump and fly around in Unreal Tournament, do you honestly think no one will try to alter game data in GhR to include things of that nature?  The members of this BL that are responsible for discovering cheaters should look into these more serious matters.  With simple editing programs, anyone can alter game data and cheat... and no one would be able to tell, not even observers.

Again, this post is not intended to single out any single person or clan.  They are just my views and opinions and not the views or opinions of my clan our my country, by which I am entitled free speech in the First Amendment of the United States Consitution.   :)

---Happy Gaming

     --- Noto

Netfone would have been a cheat when the rules say you are not allowed to use it. But fortunately it is, so it is LEGAL (for the people without a mic, buy one. NF is fun!)

You also state FNV is available to everyone. Well...so do other cheats. Does that make it legal to use them? Nope...it's still cheating.

Dutchman

Ok lets face it most clans use Nf which means it would not be an advantage over the other teams in most cbs and if your clan dosnt have nf I recommend it. I use it just to chat with my friends etc but it saves alot of time and should not be banned.

thank you.

Hey you know something...  I totally forgot to mention a REALLY REALLY GOOD POINT.  

If the majority of cheats out there are on PC, then why do we let PC GhR players IP join in CB's????  Doesn't seem fair to me.  Who knows what kind of cheats they are running on their end, right?  There is no way to tell if someone playing on a PC is using cheats, therefore, until there is a 100% solution to this problem, the BL for mac GhR should be just for Macs in GameRanger.  I would think everyone would agree with this point, minus the PC users and their clan members of course.

By the way, my comments about NF was NOT intended to suggest a ban against it.  I'm just saying that just because the rules say it's ok doesn't mean it's not giving one team an advantage over the other.  NF is definitely an advantage.  I like it, I'm sticking with it.  And D, get some headphones.  I hate that reverb.

To place the NF comments in an analogy... Imagine if you were trying to patent an invention which would guarantee the deaths of innocent people on a daily basis and be the number one killer in your country.  No way right?  Well, that's what automobiles do, but since they have been around forever, who would ban them now?  NF has been around forever, who would ban it now?  It's just a thought.  Try not to read into it too much please.  I know NF doesn't kill people... that we know of.  ;)

---Waiting patiently for a product better than NF

   --- Chris  (a.k.a.|n|`Noto)

Noto,

*DAMN encouraged clans to use voice applications since the first days of the BL in July 2000! It is a team based game and so we recommend to use voice apps as long as your connections allow it. Everyone knows that the other clan can use it contrary to the NV which was used without everybodies knowledge!

As jeb mentioned it the NV cheat is only the top of the iceberg but with the today introduced rule changes we are also checking games for other cheats...

Rules come later tonight.

Bye,

Mauti

To All:  

sorry but Flies is right.   You should all take a page out of his book on this one.  

FNV is not available to everyone, that is why it is not official in the rules, and that is why its is a cheat.  Mic's not available to everyone?  Then, niether is a Dual 1.42GHz PowerPC G4.  Drop the NF issue, it's missing the point.  

It is at this moment that all should decide whether they want a ladder of competing modyfiers or of true GhR team skills.  Solutions need to be made to curb the problem, and those using the FNV files from this point on should check their sportmanship morals before using it, until it's (if at all) made official in the rules.  

!!!! c| has been taking a large brunt of the heat on this issue, and I repeat: cheats are not distributed or suggested internally by the c| clan, and are absolutely not allowed during cb play.  

I have for the past week been running a hunting application that reveals players with modded files during play on my server.  And here are the names:




jk'ing... I wish.   Cya in Battle


Ssick
 

Sick Boy you have been using it and why should people believe you dont use it now???

All the wins you got on the BL were with the cheat along with BT and MP they use it too, so  I personaly got no respect for your clan or anyother clan that cheats!!

Just a shame that  people  must cheat to win!!  

And dont try and say you took it off cause I really doubt this  >:(
NF was in the open and all people new about this like someone said if  you have no mic just buy one!

You don't know how much i want to swear right now.

What is the point of having Rules About Cheating if someone who brakes them is going to get away with it?

These clans and memebers have cheated for what seems to be a long time. They have modded the game to there advantage and used it in cbs against other clans.

I did think this Full Screen Night Vision only effected Night maps but now it seems it also helps snipers that could help on ever map in the game.

I now that taking action against this cheating would mean many clans could face a seson long ban and alot of memeber could be affeced but its better than just letting them get away with it.

So when the next cheat comes up what are player going to think? should i cheat and get away with it or no cheat and be at a disadvantage?

Ross in the NV cheat snipers have only full screen if they have NV activated. However there are tons of hacks out.

How do you want to proove backwards that a clan used the cheats in their cbs!? I can't ban clans and players only becuase of some chat logs that they used it once and then.

Uploading rules now...

Bye,

Mauti

If Mods or cheats are used by some and not all clans and clanmembers during cbs without everyones knowledge the Battle League becomes a DeFacto ModLeague or  CheatLeague instead of a Skill-based League.  What do you think is preferable: a league to reward clans with the best skills or a league to reward clans with the best mods/cheats?

If you didn't read the BL news:

Hi guys,

recently lots of unpleasant client hacks have been discovered within the GR community. As a consequence I'll introduce cheat tests. Cheat test don't have to be played if you think the cb was played fair and square. However every clan has the right to ask for a cheat test if you aren't sure if the other clan used some hacks or not. The cheat tests will only show some types of hacks but it will make the GR community a little bit safer. I know the cheat test extend the cb length a bit but the bad cheating behaviour of some of you forced us to do so. This BL should be won by skills not cheats!

- Cheat Tests

1.   If you think one clan cheats in a cb you have the possibility to ask for a cheat test during the lagtests or in the end of a host session(if players get subbed or chrash you can make another cheat test).
2.   The cheat test game doesn't count for the cb result.
3.   The team that asks for the cheat test chooses the map then you all meet(without to shoot) each other on this map. Choose a location near a building, stone or tree. Turn on nightvision then send a chat message so everyone knows when to do the screenshot.
4.   All players in the game have to do a screenshot(for GR default key F4) - on the screenshot the chat message from above, at least one player from the other team, and night vision activated must be visible.
5.   When all leave the host, to switch host or if the cb is over, everyone must send the screenshot to an email address of the other clan so both clans can check if the other clan used some common cheats or not.
6.   You have to send the screenshot within 5minutes after you have left the host. If you don't do so admins will judge about the cb and you as you would have cheated.

And last but not least I have changed the definition of the BL as Mac only ladder:

- *DAMN Battle League: clanladder only for Mac(Apple Macintosh) clans and players operating in GameRanger. Ip joining as well as other platform players are only allowed if both clans agree. Only clanbattles set up through GameRanger are counted;

That's it.

Mauti   

Well this new rule improoves the chances of catching cheaters....

How about this? If you suspect a clan of using FSNV... Why not both clans decide before hand NOT TO PICK NIGHT MAPS.
If your really that scared about a clan using FSNV....

I have heard of other cheats... But there are some cheats that you just can't take a screenshot of.

I also heard of server side cheats.... Is there a way to maybe make some "offical" CB servers? If so... Please do one MOD to it... Make them be able to save replays...

Like i know for a fact my Server aint moded... I am to dumb to tinker with all them files... I don't even know how to open a .rsb file or have any idea what kind of file a rsb file is....

Maybe there is a way for admins to do constant server checkings for the "official" cb servers... again.. whats to say that these guys can't mod their servers right after it has been "officially" inspected....

Whatever those are my 2cents...

As said you don't have to do cheat tests if nobody suspects anybody.

Well you can't tab out in GR or the screen will appear black so the chance that you catch a cheater isn't that bad.

I never said it is childproof but at least it is a try and once everybody has trust in each other again there won't be much cheat tests.

Indeed you can't see all cheats on this screenshot but at least the 4 most common GR cheats can be detected easily. Eight the NV cheat is only one of several available client cheats and by far not the most accurate cheat... unfortunaly.

Eight you don't need any mod knowledge to drop some cheat files from one folder to another folder.

Bye,

Mauti if all players would play with honor it would have never come that far...

Eight you don't need any mod knowledge to drop some cheat files from one folder to another folder.
Bye,


What he and his clan did for sure casue one of his members anounced this to people !

So MP cheats because i used NV for a day when i was in the Cunt clan? Cunt also never cbed in GHR...
Full screen night vision doesn't make you an unstoppible god in the game, it gives you a better feild of view at night and a bit more side view in day time maps. I've seen this mod in action and i don't think its that much of an advantage (compared to netfone). This cheat doesn't worry me as much as the other ones do...

one last thing about the state of cheating. i made this in interface builder a while ago (its just an cocoa interface it doesn't acually do anything). And i've received a few emails from pathetic noobs asking to get a copy.
http://homepage.mac.com/farmerjeb/aimbot.jpg

 

Warrior7...

My whole clan didnt use FSNV i have before yes... Sign admited to it too yes... but we have alot of  members who didn't even know existed... (fusion for one)

As far as winning before in the past... Since when does a cb have 6 straight night maps or something? We have beaten people 6 or 4 straight in both DEA and BTs without the use of a night map... There is a thing called tactics...

Not like you would know, since your not in a clan.... Or maybe you are in a clan and your clan sucks so much donkey doodoo that all you can do is flame away...

On that note... I DONT USE FSNV !

Thank you come again....

YES FLIES! I AGREE....almost....we have one little problem with Warrior7 it seems.  I dont know this person, but it looks like he has it out for c|, BTs, and MP.  Who is this guy?  Why is he on here?  Should he be ban from these forms?  What real inputt has he givin us?  All i see come from this guys fingers is trash.  Warrior7, are you Jerry Springer?  Are you just doing this for fun?  Warrior7, could you do ne a favor and look back on all your posts.  Try to find one that solves a problem, even gives an idea to solve a problem.  Then ask your self...."Why am i here"?

I hate cheats & all who use them, esp. in what should be a true contest of skill between clans. On that note, I will gladly set up a CLEAN dedicated server for cbs only. If any clan is interested in using a nuetral dedicated server for cbs please feel free to contact me. On Gameranger I am Forrest, my email is fmcconnell4@aol.com. I will be more than happy to try to accommodate all requests, however, I do need some prior notification in order to set up the server.

Note: I have never had any affiliation with ANY GR clan.

                                                           --Forrest

Hello all,

Nice to see a heated discussion where everyone is agreeing on the same issue.

Kit mods are possible BUT to my knowledge if you host with the mod, players joining auto download the modded kits and get them in game. If you join a host u then download from the host...problem here? well if u dont use the modded guns there free for use for the host. You won't get visual recognition of the mod until in game. These are my findings, we tested it with the a-91, 30 rockets was nice.

Don't worry changed it back...pointless mod anyway i never run out of fecking ammo, Ghr is too generous.

I simply done this to check full version, why? cos we used to play around with the demo, give mp5 sniper zoom was fun only difference is they fixed the kit modding in Ghr full so that u have to download the kit files when entering the server.

Mine and 1iNe's view on cheats is strict...use em get booted...we're here to play for fun, win or loose.

Narauko
1iNe/Squad Leader

P.S. Im sure with PC's they've found a way of getting around the kit mod, but personnaly i don't even want to try.

Just STFU!! DR.Nobody

You admitted to be a cheater and you will stay a cheater along with the rest of you.
 I ask also the League here to solve the problem ! How can a League be taken seriously when people admit they cheat?? This and the rest of the seasons dont mean a damn thing in my eyes!  Yes there will always be cheaters! So many that they all admit it?? Then let everyone cheat! Then you have a BL cheaters league and then its fair!!  In my posts I pointed out facts and pointed the finger at cheaters !!  !

I hate cheaters Yes I do, and they make me angry! I expected nothing less from you though, in DEA you cheated and in C u cheated along with alot more of you clan guys !

I must not be in a clan to hate cheaters or point out my view ! >:(

Hey all
->cheat is everything for me what only a view are using for their advantage !

no game is able to simulate the real live !!
but we should play the same game and its unfair when some have modivied versions

My suggestion to solve the problem is:
Both sides records the cb games and if one side thinks the others are cheating they send it damn
If its true they ll be kiked of the ladder
if not the others will loose some points

So damn dont have to watch 20 cbs per day and clans would think twice if they cheat or not !!

I cant understand any cheaters !! no risk no fun !!

[a] snake: I m always behind u ;(=)

*Sigh*

I've read some of the dumbest posts in my life and some quite smart ones.
The dumb ones have been replied to by many, the smart ones have been ignored, or taken the wrong way.
I read a bunch of "I heard that"s and seen no screenshot or file that proves any of these cheats, except for the NV one, of course.
I read the ones that know LEAST about cheats give most suggestions on how to prevent them.
And I've seen counter measures who will solve nothing except the banal NV mod, and make CBs even longer than they already are.

I can understand from the posts, that many who contributed to this thread actually DO know quite a bit on cheats, some pretend they don't, and some really know nothing about 'em (the ones who are most shocked about them).

So, as your average player, I'd like to post a few reminders here:

- The day after a game (or its demo) comes out, there are cheats being born for it;
- Cheats for PC are many, and have existed since day 1. Bringing them to Mac is fairly simple for whoever with some programming skills;
- There are plenty of Mac server-side modded hosts out there (MP5SD sniping, anyone?), and taking group pics won't solve much, if they're used in CBs;
- While an average RS game lasts about 1 minute, the average GhR game lasts around 5 minutes. Multiply by 5 and u get the CB length.

As far as Virus Clan is concerned:

We have won the season with great players and no cheats. Fortunately the game was farily new and many cheats weren't so diffused. Being EU and finding a CB nowadays is quite a challenge, and having even longer procedures before a game starts (and having to repeat them after each crash) will make things definitely tougher (crashes are VERY common).

There are several ways you can appear as if joining a game on GR via Mac, and actually being IP joined via PC. There are therefore all the cheats in the world you can use without the group picture detecting them. And therefore PC-joining players will be there just the same.

So. I'm nodding towards Mauti cuz he's doin' a good job in trying to put a stop to cheating in the *DAMN BL and in trying to keep the hysterical noobs quiet. But I'm really looking forward to a private chat with him in order to sort things out, cuz the group pic solution on one side prevents a minor percentage of the cheats, while creating a CB-length issue on the other.

And regarding the ones who know nothing about certain issues, I'd really like them to refrain from writing so much about them. Spend the time in seeking competent council, instead of going PC-paranoid. Ignorance is a very dangerous thing.

Hi Ze Bitch,

about joining as PC player. Game Ranger doesn't allow IP joining anymore. It creates an random password which stays server an server admin removes it. Well at all this isn't such a big issue.

The idea behind the screenshot is that you will probably see the 4most common cheats I won't name here. Also the cheat test isn't a must do. It will be done if one clan thinks there is something wrong and if you do it at the start during the lagtests it doesn't increase the length that much. Of course there are still enough possibilities to cheat but I hope that most Mac players are honorable gamers.

Bye,

Mauti

Ok guys.   This topic is making me sick.  Let's not forget the main focus here....................... IT'S A F'N GAME.  If people want to cheat, let em.  I f they can look at their faces in the mirror and say they won the league farely, more power to em.  Winning the BL isn't a big deal.  Saying you won the league and 2 bucks will get you 2 cheeseburgers from the 99 cent menu at McDonalds.  

I think a bigger problem is,  the better clans hoard the best players.  Maybe limiting the size of clans and also setting a max. number on how many "A" players a clan may have.  If the top clans aren't always owning others, the complaints may drop.  Who knows.  Just an idea.

Rember, this is only a game, its not the end of the world if you lose.  Trust me, you won't be scared for life.

later bros,

static a.k.a. Uffz.B ;D ;D

Limiting the number of "A" players in a clan? That seems to be taking things a little too seriously.

Plus I find it humurous that the |n| clan has brought this up. I haven't noticed a lack of individual skill in the |n| clan.

Personally every clan has its own charm through the players it recruits, to take that away would take away the essence of the clan.

I've been at 1iNe for about 4 months and recruited some very good players, players that could have probably ended up in top clans. (But i got there first =p).

If |n| are worried they dont have enough skill to take the top spot i'd go and take a look at some of the no name players, people you pass of as possible recruits because you don't know them.

BACK TO THE CHEATING LARK!

Has DAMN taken a official position on the Command map grid overlay?

Cheat or not?

Just want to make sure since everyone is now handing it out. Personnally i love it adds a new dimension to team play.

Narauko
1iNe/Squad Leader

Ok, point taken Valder and Nakauko.  I was only trying to be neutral.  This was my idea, so don't take it out on the rest of the Network guys.  This was not looking to bash any clans.  I was just looking at the whole picture.  The Network is playing well.  We have no problem with the our team.  I was only SUGGESTING that some of the cheat claims are coming from clans that are not as skilled as others(at presents time).  I know for a fact that its is very discouraging when one has layed a whole clip into the enemies head with no effect.  Blame it on lack of skills, lag or the fact that they just suck.  But the fact is still there, you feel like crap when after ripping off a clip and you get shot in the head with one golden bullet from a guy that is in a full sprint, running from side to side.(Been there, done that.  Remember MAD!) :o  

Nakauko said "If |n| are worried they dont have enough skill to take the top spot".  Well bro, for me it's not about winning or losing.  It's about having fun with ur buds.  Dude think about it......It's a game.  Not life or death.  I would much rather have my butt handed to me in a jar than listen to the two cb'n clans bitch about who's cheating or not.  All this discussion has taken all the fun out it for me and my others.

CHEATS SUCK, CHEATERS SUCK but it's a part of the game so lets fix it and move on the the next bitch topic, like how big of hOmO Diesel is. hehe ;D

Again, please direct ur comments to me not the boys in |n|.

thanks bros,

`static a.k.a Uffz.B

Thank you for proving my point Warrior7...

Thats about all you are good at, pointing a finger.

Command Grids are allowed and also in the PC world they are allowed everywhere! You can get them at our Mac Downloads.

So you can't gain top spot and have fun?

i wasn't trying to be offensive or push buttons merely used it as an example.

Thank you mauti for the notice on grid maps.

Narauko
1iNe/Squad Leader

***before reading this post, keep in mind that I am of course one of those ppl who knows nothing about anything. reading this post will likely be a complete waste of your time, just like 75% of the posts in this thread up until now***

As anyone who has ever played me knows, I suck. I am almost always the first to die in every cb I've ever played. I had never even heard of gameranger, *damn, battleleagues, etc before december 2002. So, when someone asked me if i had the grid overlay for the maps, the fullscreen nv, etc.... I assumed that if these alterations had found their way to a dork like me, then of course EVERYONE had them. Asking anyone about them would only make me seem like a bigger noob than I was.

So, what is cheating? Is it making use of an advantage not available to others? Or is it malicious intent? I lean to the latter, because so much of what happens in this community is not about making the playing field level.

What makes it unlevel?

-Netfone, because not everyone can use it. If you have no mic, can't use one cause you play at work, or are limited to how many nf connections you can make due to bandwith....

-Connection speed.... don't tell me that when I come around a corner vs. a guy with a faster connection, or who lives closer to the host, that his kill doesn't make it to the server before mine.....

-Screen size/resolution.... if you want to take away fnv because it affects what we all 'see' on the screen...what about standardizing monitor size, or at least the resolution we're using? These widescreen monitors must affect peripheral vision too, right?

And I'm sure there's more. There is no way to make the playing field completely level. Luckily, as my ineptitude at this game demonstrates, the difference in player skill often outweighs any technical differences in the interface. I mean to say, that if I'm running the wrong way, or facing the wrong direction, it doesn't matter if my peripheral vision is 2% wider than the next guy's. Most of the time, it doesn't matter if the playing field is level, because you would be dead anyway, because the other guy outplayed you in that instance, or he just got lucky.... which happens as often as not, right? As with real life, luck determines winners and losers often enough.

That's why for me, cheating is about intent. If a player is so focused on winning every single engagement that he'll try using any advantage he can find...that's the test for cheating. Personally, I have more fun dying well than winning poorly.

I'm plenty happy to do whatever *damn suggests as the parameters for play in their community. Then again, I'm also happy to just stop cb'ing if it gets too tedious with all this cheat-check business.

Well said |n|`soc,

Enough said!!

 :P
Is it just me or is this topic starting to look like a jerry springer episode gone horribly wrong? Look I my self am a modder and I have made my share of ghost recon mods so with that experience I can honestly say that it is very easy to cheat in ghost recon. A while back before season 4 started I taught a few people how to make modded guns that give you a massive tactical advantage such as a silenced full auto sniper rifle and guns with no flash or tracers and extended zoom but I would never use any of these cheats in a game without the other persons knowledge it's just wrong. Now knowing that some clans may be cheating I'm sorry I ever gave my knowledge of modding to anyone else. The point I'm trying to get across here is that more people than I thought may know about this way to alter files and it is highly difficult to prove that another player is using it. The only way I can think of proving that someone is using this type of cheat is to observe them in game play and look for some signs of modded guns such as no focus time or extra ammo and if the rate of fire seems abnormally high. As for Mauti I think you need to take a serious look at this issue because it just may get out of hand. As for any cheaters out there wanting to learn how to alter these files don't come ask me cause I won't tell you shit. I know a few  people know how to do this but I'm going to try to severly limit who has the knowledge. And by the way if you think |DS| cheats just look at or stats on the ladder I promise you'll change your mind real fast lol.

I'm not sure if it still holds true, but due to the similiarities in their engines I'm guessing it should work. In RS one of the easiest cheats was to open up your uniform texture files and fill 'em with orange, red, yellow, neon green, or some other highly visible color. If you were really industrious you could do this with map textures as well, making entire maps a color that would contrast well with your chosen uniform color.

Since GhR is 90% about who spots who first on huge maps, I would imagine this would be even more effective than in RS.

This is BULL shit CHETING SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED! FSNV is Bull grid locks is bull And NF is not that much Bull. Any clans that cb with these cheats on SHOULD gt kicked of the ladder eternally! Like Rabid ;D\



           Peace Out ViRal  :-[ ::)

I agree with Hell Viral's statement except for the supergrids.  The Supergrids is definitely a help to pinpoint enemy movement, but it is not something that can be really said as a cheat that would give a great advantage from one player to another.   Spergrids dosent make the game look any different through the eyes of the players within the game.  And really it goes hand in hand with Netfone.  Granted it is a addon that changes the files of the Ghost recon original application but again it is only used in the form of communication, that's all.  Other then that cheats are bullshit, but only cheats that allow the player within the game to have an advantage where it would make it easier to physically kill another player.  The NV mod is obviously one fo those cheats that was banned for a reason, whereas the map enhancement only helps gameplay for teams.  Plus it really is more realistic for modern day warfare tactics.  PC users originally made the mod and it is allowed in other CB communities, so why not here.  Well, that is my opinion on the matter at least.

+MOD+Saberian

I love you how you belive everything you hear. Quit making shit up about people. It's really lame. We don't cheat and now countless people are gonig to acuse us of cheating because they read your stupid post. Don't fucking accuse entire clans of using shit, even mroe so when you have no reason to back it up. Stop talking shit please. I don't openly bash you for no reason. So leave us the fuck alone.

Wow, so many GhR cheats, and no way to prove who's using them, I say we drop the GhR Ladder all together!

I mean, the game is lame anyways compared to my sexy RS 8)

by that rapid u mean the 25 games of Ghost Recon to the 2 games of Rogue Spear each night Rapid?  :o

[sarcasim]ya, sounds like a good idea[/sarcasim]

Ghost recon does seem to have a lot of bugs.  Of course any competative first person shooter you will find bugs in the gameplay.  I am just hoping that Aspyr comes to the rescue and makes an update that makes sure no one cheats.  Now that would be something, for all those people worried about the mythical and or elusive client side mods.  Lol, i know talking to Aspyr about anything is like talking to a brick wall.  It seems they were only in it for the money.  It's not like they really give a shit about competative gameplay for ghost recon =(  Although I can still dream of a world where Aspyr actually did something worthwhile, when it comes to their damn updates. =)