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Title: tBd discussion: continued
Post by: [d]-[p a t] on February 25, 2003, 05:28:32 pm
ok typhy: let's get this straight. What exactly do you need for you to stop bothering us and telling other clans not to cb us? it's not fair that you're doing this to us and all we did was beat you. try to state your complaints without nonsense about how 'they're bad guys... they beat me they must cheat'
SHOW SOME EVIDENCE or PROPOSE SOME TEST


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 25, 2003, 06:21:31 pm
 Ok, pat, let's continue this argument here, since I think there is still more to be achieved by it. Buccaneer, Rapid, go ahead and post, but please ignore each other, moderators, if those two start shit like in the last thread, please do us a favor and delete it.

There is no 'test' that I can propose, since Rabid knows what we think now, of course we'll continue to get evidence.

I'm not doing this "all because I lost"; I've done over 400 CBs in my time, and over 70 at Rogue Spear, I've lost about 50, about about 13-15 at Rogue Spear. During that time, I've accused 2 clans of cheating ( 1 of the CBs we won, 1 we lost ), both have been later on proven as cheaters ( at RTCW ). I've never directly accused Rabid of cheating. . . I've mostly just offered this as a warning to other clans out there.

Anyways, more later,
Typhy  


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: [d]-[p a t] on February 25, 2003, 07:20:53 pm
I've mostly just offered this as a warning to other clans out there. -typhy
ok typhy: this isn't offered as just a warning because you've been threatening us and trying to stop clans from CB'ing us. your objectives seem to be changing. from wanting apologies and your "4 rightful wins" to wanting to curb the opinions of clans about us and stop them from cb'ing us.
well, what are you thinking of?


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: [d]-[p a t] on February 25, 2003, 09:48:44 pm
Typhy came to me today on GR and proposed that we drop the whole thing. you can lock the thread now. thanks :-)


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 25, 2003, 09:52:28 pm
 There is no point in carrying on this argument until more evidence is avalible.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN Silent Killer(Home) on February 25, 2003, 09:58:55 pm
Well sk has a bit of evendence for you

Ok here we go kids:

I was telling rabid to start his host because i thought he would be switching files, he was taking for ever and he said that his version of RS you had to put the CD in b4 starting the game (BS)

Typhy just told me that  After about an hour of hosting they were cbing tBd, rabids host, and mind you they are already in the game ! and typhy says We Want BLUE, and remember there already in the game, and rabid says, "hold on i goota put CD in" and of cource a LARGE TIMOUT obviously caused by tabbing out in RS

That plus my shooting yosh and rabid both int he hand once and they die and rabids always wanting to hack RS should be enough to get
Either

A: Rabid banned from all CBs in the *DAMN BL Purmently as well as the Forums

B: If rabid isnt smart enough (not accuseing) there are other smart people in tbd.....mb

-SK


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: [d]-[p a t] on February 25, 2003, 10:01:14 pm
Typhy also just came to me and presented me with the same evidence. Rabid is booted from *tBd*. I assure you that none of us had any idea that he cheated because we have never had a problem killing him. I guess he must turn it on once in a while.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN SK on February 25, 2003, 10:03:59 pm
P.S.  

Rabid ive never liked you , i just acted like i did so you can stop clan whoreing , P.S. your on block now

-SK

(nice job typhy, we crime......sluths


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 25, 2003, 10:04:45 pm
 I want to say this, right here and right now; I have no problem with the Tbd clan, I've known Pat and Yoshida as fair people. The total oposite is true with Rabid. Anyone who wants to CB Tbd should be fine if they CB against members aside from Rabid.

Thanks,
Typhy


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 25, 2003, 11:10:14 pm
 Thank you Pat, SK, Mysterio, and everyone who helped to find out the truth in this.

I belive pat 100% when he says that he had no idea what Rabid was doing. I've known him for a long time - He's a good, honest and fair player.

I'm still diging around for the screen shot, I lost one of my screen shot folders when I deleted my drive, but I'm pretty sure I still have the one where he says that he needs to tab out to get his CD, after he'd been hosting for about 40 minutes.

Great work guys,
Typhy


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: [d]-[p a t] on February 25, 2003, 11:49:21 pm
and thank you guys for the great excuse to boot him without feeling bad about it... i don't know.. i guess i'm just a sensitive guy. even booting rabid would have been hard for me  ;D


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 26, 2003, 03:21:37 am
BSBSBSBS SK I bought my copy of RS at a store I didn't download it from hotline and yes I can put my disk in without starting the game or in game just because I say I have to put my disk in doesn't mean I'm swithing files or something and typhy your just complaining cause you don't think I can beat you in a cb well I did so fuck you and to bad you lost so admit it.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: pat (off home comp) on February 26, 2003, 03:49:59 am
Rabid: they have some strong evidence against you. I suggest that you take off the tBd tag for a while. You will be bringing the whole clan with you if these charges are true so take it off.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 26, 2003, 04:01:18 am
okey pat I will for now but I don't know how I can prove to you guys that I didn't cheat I can't believe you guys would think I would go that low


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Jeb-lazy on February 26, 2003, 04:11:28 am
damn another clan to add to the list of rabid's clans. This is bringing his total up to 37clans


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 26, 2003, 04:50:09 am
okey whatever jeb hmmmm I wonder what we should do about this problem


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN Mauti on February 26, 2003, 10:05:08 am
Alright so Typhy, SK and Pat did Rabid cheat or not, any evidence like this strange tabbing out for cd although he is hosting since 40mins!? IF yes I do what I posted in the thread before because cheating is one of the worst thing you can do in a game.

Bye,

Mauti


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 26, 2003, 03:33:03 pm
mauti I don't fucking cheat and thats a lie I ddin't wait 40 min to put in my cd I have to put in my cd to host or I can't host


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 26, 2003, 07:35:08 pm
mauti I don't fucking cheat and thats a lie I ddin't wait 40 min to put in my cd I have to put in my cd to host or I can't host

 Rabid, as you probably remember, that CB was setup from in your game, not from on GameRanger, you hosted for anywhere between 25 and 40 minutes before we started the CB, then you say "let me tab out to get my cd," Hmm, what's with that?

Mauti, I've read your post about 5 times, and I still can't make any sence of it.

If you're asking us if Rabid cheated or not: Yes, I belive that he did.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 26, 2003, 08:04:54 pm
"you hosted for anywhere between 25 and 40 minutes before we started the CB, then you say "let me tab out to get my cd," Hmm, what's with that?"

Ohhhhhhh
i was having so much trouble trying to figure out if he was hosting just the setup screen or actual games, and when he actually "went to get his cd."
This makes SOOOO much more sense now. Rabid, the only possible excuse that you have is that you have a cd image, but even that excuse won't really work anymore since you said that you needed to get your cd.
CD changes can take about 30 seconds, from the tab, to the ejecting tray/cd if necessary, to putting in  the rs cd, then tabbing back into the game. This could be just enough time to put in hacked files. (Maybe you keep the data folder aliased on your desktop along with the hacked files?)

Rabid... I believe this quote sums it up best:

"To the last, I grapple with thee; from Hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 26, 2003, 08:08:36 pm
 Snipe, the disc image excuse wouldn't work, since he'd been hosting games for 25-40 minutes, not just a room, but actually hosting actual Rogue Spear games.

To start out, yes, I do think that Rabid had his server modded for that CB. I?ve played on Rabid?s host a fair amount, and the thing that I?ve noticed is that whenever I?m on Rabid?s team, we always win, and it?s extremely easy to get kills, one simple burst of fire, and the opponent is dead. However, whenever you?re going up against Rabid?s team, on his host, they?re near impossible to kill, and you die as soon as you get shot.

During the CB, when we were playing on Rabid?s host, I don?t believe that either of us ever got wounded. As soon as a bullet hit us, we were dead.

I believe that the best bit of evidence against Rabid is the ?needing to tab out for cd?, when he?d already been hosting.

While not conclusive, Silent Killer?s tests are very good too. How often is it that players die from getting shot in the hands, or even the feet, by just one shot? Almost never, unless you have a Barret, Dragonove, or PSG-1.

The amount of shots taken by Rabid and Yoshida is far less conclusive; it?s not on common for a window sniper to take 8 shots or so, from someone who is shooting from the ground, into their chest. 16 is a bit extreme though, but still, it could happen.

Just another bit of weak evidence that I should throw in here, yesterday, Silent Killer was telling me about something that had happened earlier, where Rabid waited like 2 minutes to start his host, ( start the game room ), and then had no explanation for it.

Rabid, you?ve got lots and lots of explaining to do: Why did you tab out for your ?cd? when you?d already been hosting for 25-40 minutes? Why were we never wounded? Why did Yoshida take 16 shots? Why did you wait so long to start your host?

Let?s have some answers, Rabid.

 


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Mr.Mellow on February 26, 2003, 09:42:57 pm
I just figured I'd post a comment on this. You said it was suspicious that there was a large timeout when Rabid put his CD in during the game? ...Well, I haven't played RS in a while, but I do recall that everytime the host put in the CD, it would time out. for about 20 seconds. This does not mean they're hacking the game. Jesus. If you guys are really freaked out about this, go download the Anti-cheat mod if you think he's putting in hacked files and make him use the mod everytime he hosts. That way there won't be anymore debate.

Grand Master of "Benefit Of The Doubt", Mr. Mellow


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 26, 2003, 10:17:05 pm
 Damnit, Mellow, read up on this, please. The point is that Rabid wouldn't have needed to put his CD in. He'd already been hosting for 25-40 minutes, so his tabbing out couldn't have been for his CD, like he said it was.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 27, 2003, 12:38:54 am
typhy I was going to put my cd in right when we started so I made sure we were going to cb becauseI d idnn't wanna put my cd in for no reason


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Mr.Mellow on February 27, 2003, 12:58:18 am
My mistake Typhy. The thing is with Rabid though, you never can really tell what he's saying when he's typing something. It's just gibberish(no offense). That is quite fishy that he went for his CD after playing for a bit, but I dunno. He might have meant something else(maybe??? I dunno). Also, as for Yoshi taking 16 hits, I've taken 32 hits in a game before. I think it was from a PDW or the MP5 SD at extremely long range. Its not really all that uncommon for someone to take 10+ hits. Don't forget that the hits continue to count until about 2 seconds after they've died, so if a few people are unloading on the guy it might stack up.  If he survived 16 hits, I've seen weirder.
-Master of the Grand Wazoo.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 27, 2003, 01:06:43 am
lol mellow you completely missed the point. Read the entire post before you respond stupidly. :)

typhy I was going to put my cd in right when we started so I made sure we were going to cb becauseI d idnn't wanna put my cd in for no reason

Rabid, you have completely missed the point, as well.
It can't be made any clearer, but i'll try again.
Tell me if any of the following statements are false.

1. You were hosting rogue spear.
2. You had been hosting games for about half an hour.
3. You must have the cd in the computer to host any games.
4. The computer can't tell the difference between a warm up and the actual cb.
5. You were playing, meaning the cd must have already been in your computer.
6. You claimed you had to get your cd after hosting for about half an hour, which has been proven impossible by the above statements.
7. You apparently had a different reason to tab out than getting the cd.
8. You replaced the real files with your hacked files.
9. Your team would not die (or it was nearly impossible to kill them).
10. The other team died extremely easily.
11. You are a cheater.
12. You should be banned from the battle league and GameRanger.

Please point out which of these statements are false, and we will take it from there.

Numbered by popular demand


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: [d]-[p a t] on February 27, 2003, 01:15:53 am
number your statements then we'll point out which are true and false  ;) lol ask typhy, sk they were the main people about it


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 27, 2003, 01:26:47 am
 Looks perfect, Snipe. Try and avoid big words though, ( like "a" ) because Rabid has trouble understanding them.

1.) True.
2.) True.
3.) True.
4.) True.
5.) True.
6.) True.
7.) True.
8.) True.
9.) True.
10.) True.
11.) True.
12.) True.

Mellow, as I said in my earlier post, the 16 shots part is the least conclusive out of all the evidence.  I just threw it in to give a better picture of how things were over on Rabid's host.

Either Rabid is even dumber than I thought, or he is trying his best to dodge having to answer questions about the reasons that he needed to tab out; or a little of both.

C'mon Rabid, let's have some answers.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 27, 2003, 02:54:45 am
listen people this is my final reply I didn't cheat I have never cheated if you think I cheated then  thats your problem but I'm obviously not going to change your minds so I don't wanna argue anymore case closed


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 27, 2003, 03:06:17 am
I don't even know how to cheat in RS I don't know how to make a aimbot and get it to work I don't even know how to do that stuff and i know how to tab but I hardly ever do that now if I was on GR I would be talking to you guys more about it but I'm banned for 3 more days unless you tell evill to unban me I will have ot keep answering your questions on the fourms so if you can't undo the ban we will have to wait untill saturday but untill then I will keep talking in the fourms


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 27, 2003, 03:11:40 am
 Shame, GameRanger was so nice. . . ( We'd better get to work on a plan to get him ban again, ASAP ). "Case closed", guilty. You have lots of explaining to do, Rabid, if you don't do it, then you're, in a way, admitting to cheating.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 27, 2003, 03:21:02 am
well what do you want me to do typhy come on you tell me huh? huh?


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: .vooDoo. on February 27, 2003, 03:34:15 am
Honestly, if you want my opinion, and your gonna get it if you dont. Rabid doesnt have the capablility come up with a cheat. Come on Typhy, were talkin about rabid here. Truthfully, I am really gettin sick of you complaining everytime you lose. It seems to be the norm with you. Kinda like a spoiled KID.

Of course there are some questions that I would like to ask Rabid like:
Rabid
  • were u hosting any actual games before you said you had to tab out to insert the cd? or where you guys just sitting in the game with the game console showing disscussing the cb?
more questions to come once Rabid answers the one I asked


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 27, 2003, 03:37:38 am
honestly voodoo I can't remember no joke ummmm usually I don't tab out and umm I can't even start playing on game of my host without my cd in


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *tBd* Flash on February 27, 2003, 05:19:49 am
Rabid,

I'm getting quite sick of this shit.  You haven't posted a single legible response  to any one of these allegations.  (Whoops? perhaps smaller words are in order here)  So I want to  hear it straight from your mouth.  Quote this post, and respond legibly to each of Snipe's statements. (Eek! Another big word!)  If you don't, I think most of us will be left to the conclusion you were cheating.

1. You were hosting rogue spear.
2. You had been hosting games for about half an hour.
3. You must have the cd in the computer to host any games.
4. The computer can't tell the difference between a warm up and the actual cb.
5. You were playing, meaning the cd must have already been in your computer.
6. You claimed you had to get your cd after hosting for about half an hour, which has been proven impossible by the above statements.
7. You apparently had a different reason to tab out than getting the cd.
8. You replaced the real files with your hacked files.
9. Your team would not die (or it was nearly impossible to kill them).
10. The other team died extremely easily.
11. You are a cheater.
12. You should be banned from the battle league and GameRanger.

Please point out which of these statements are false, and we will take it from there.

Numbered by popular demand

That shouldn't be too hard, right?  Either way, I'm looking forward to having the whole issue put to rest once and for all.

--
BFFABT: Bovine Feces for a Better Tommorrow


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 27, 2003, 05:54:32 am
 Hey Vood, who started trouble in the RnT loss when I was with AK? It sure as hell wasn't me, I was the one who said that they won perfectly fair, crashes happen, and if everyone in the game saw me die before I crashed, then it was my problem, not theirs.

Perhaps, before you simply say "Rabid is to dumb to cheat", you should read all of the posts, from both sides. You shouldn't assume someone isn't cheating just because you don't think they're smart enough.

 


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Casper on February 27, 2003, 07:02:57 am
Ok this is Bullshit anyone has the capabilitys to cheat if the dont they are a retard. Rabid even would know how to edit a few files. I could show you people how easy it to tab switch the files and keep playing.



Off Topic but needs to be said: GET ME UNBAN NOW!!!


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *tBd* patSCHOOL on February 27, 2003, 03:58:52 pm
Typhy: we're getting a little off topic over here... you too voodoo. Right now, the discussion is on whether Rabid cheated or not. Like Flash said, Rabid needs to answer the real questions instead of saying a bunch of BS about "plz believe me or i'll get you back or this is bs." Come on Rabid, we want answers.

Actually Pat, I was on topic. Your reply is spam. If you have nothing to add, please dont reply. Consider this a warning - vooDoo


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 27, 2003, 05:13:10 pm

1. You were hosting rogue spear.
2. You had been hosting games for about half an hour.
3. You must have the cd in the computer to host any games.
4. The computer can't tell the difference between a warm up and the actual cb.
5. You were playing, meaning the cd must have already been in your computer.
6. You claimed you had to get your cd after hosting for about half an hour, which has been proven impossible by the above statements.
7. You apparently had a different reason to tab out than getting the cd.
8. You replaced the real files with your hacked files.
9. Your team would not die (or it was nearly impossible to kill them).
10. The other team died extremely easily.
11. You are a cheater.
12. You should be banned from the battle league and GameRanger.


Please point out which of these statements are false, and we will take it from there.

Rabid... these statements are still here, waiting to be slapped down. If you are capable of doing that, then by all means, to save yourself, you might want to do that. Saying "bs" a hundred times is only furthering your self-incrimination (OOPS ANOTHER BIG WORD).


This just added... RABID... OPENING A POLL IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR ATTEMPT TO AVOID THE QUESTIONS!!
Oh by the way the most recent tally is 8-2 rabid cheated.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 27, 2003, 06:39:54 pm
 Pat is right, Vood, we did go a bit off topic.

I just did a quick "how fast can I cheat" test. I hosted a Rogue Spear game, then tabbed out, this was with only my Rogue Spear file open, I was able to mod the uniforms in less than 30 seconds, and be back in the game.

I am now 100% sure that Rabid cheated. I was almost positive when all this started, but Rabid's posts, where he dodges every question, have made me sure.

Rabid, if you don't come out and answer these questions, it can only be assumed that it's because you have no answers, because you cheated.


Title: Lets see the SS's of Rabid Cheating.
Post by: AK_Rap1d on February 27, 2003, 08:35:07 pm
*sigh*

Unless you have SS's of where Rabid tabbed out, and came back saying "I had to get my CD" after 40 minutes of hosting, then you have no case.

Accussations are one thing.  Proof is another.  As much as I hate that infringing kid, I must say, Typhy being the "smart one" here, should have some SS's to back up all his claims.  Otherwise, it becomes a he said/ she said...

It would not have been hard to take a SS of Rabid saying "I gotta get CD", after 40 minutes of Hosting.  If I see that evidence, then hands down, he cheated.  If no SS, then you really need to go back and collect more evidence before making your issue such a loud one.  I don't plan on taking sides in this matter, but I don't mind shedding some light for others.

Present your evidence(SS's).  That will convince a lot of people right there on the spot and help speed up the convicting process. ;)

I do agree with VooDoo on how Rabid might just be too idiotic to know how to cheat...  He is 12 years old and he doesn't know how to type a complete sentence.  He is the master of run-on sentences.

Why is "cheating" becoming such a popular thing around here?  Is it that bad, that some clans have to cheat to win?  Is there no honor in anybody these days?  It was bad enough to have RnT cheat us of a win by counting a crashed game, that Typhy agreed to let them have, but not that I or AngryDad let them have.  Lying, corruption, deceit is something surrounding this BL these days on the RS ladder...   Kinda sad what it's come to...   Clans just can't play by the rules...   This BL is about who can cheat their way to the top while fooling others...   Pretty fucking lame...  Especially the support they get from BL mods...  (RnT received BL mods support for counting a crashed game after we asked for a redo...   How much more corrupt can it be...)  

Changes need to be done around here...


Title: Re:Lets see the SS's of Rabid Cheating.
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 27, 2003, 09:06:59 pm
Lying, corruption, deceit is something surrounding this BL these days on the RS ladder...   Kinda sad what it's come to...   Clans just can't play by the rules...   This BL is about who can cheat their way to the top while fooling others...   Pretty fucking lame...How much more corrupt can it be...  

Congratulations Rapid, you've found the secret to politics.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN SK on February 27, 2003, 10:30:12 pm
I can't even start playing on game of my host without my cd in


Ok dont post any1 here intill rabid anseres this question

What dose this mean


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 27, 2003, 10:33:31 pm
"I can't even start playing on game of my host without my cd in"

translation:

"I cannot start playing games while hosting until I have put the cd in"


That's what he tried to say, but it's bull because he was already hosting for half an hour, then claimed he needed to put the cd in.


Title: Rabid please answer some of these points
Post by: *DAMN Mauti on February 27, 2003, 11:30:17 pm
Hi Rabid,

this whole issue is kinda weird. The experiences SK, Snipe and few others had on your host are really suspicious.

So please answer or comment the following points about the cb until this saturday 12pm EST. You don't know anymore isn't an explanation. Have you already played a game when you tabbed out!? Do you think it is common that you die from a hit by a single pdw shot in your hand?

Furthers I would like to hear your comments about this:

Quote
1. You were hosting rogue spear.
2. You had been hosting games for about half an hour.
3. You must have the cd in the computer to host any games.
4. The computer can't tell the difference between a warm up and the actual cb.
5. You were playing, meaning the cd must have already been in your computer.
6. You claimed you had to get your cd after hosting for about half an hour, which has been proven impossible by the above statements.
7. You apparently had a different reason to tab out than getting the cd.
8. You replaced the real files with your hacked files.
9. Your team would not die (or it was nearly impossible to kill them).
10. The other team died extremely easily.
11. You are a cheater.
12. You should be banned from the battle league and GameRanger.

Please answer these questions and points asap so I can come to a decision together with my BL admins. It's even better for your  own reputation as sooner as you answer.

Greetz,

Mauti


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 28, 2003, 01:55:26 am
mauti I can't answer your questions I don't remember and rapid I'm not 12 I'm 13 I don't remember so I can't asnswer your questions the only thing I do remember is yoshi and I won and I didn't cheat


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Casper on February 28, 2003, 04:26:43 am
Rabid this is Bull shit when you get asked a decent set of questions you just forget? you had been talking about it for what a week?


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 28, 2003, 04:29:58 am
1. You were hosting rogue spear. yes I was hosting Rogue Spear
2. You had been hosting games for about half an hour. no I have not been hosting games for a half an hour
3. You must have the cd in the computer to host any games. yes I must have the cd in the computer to host games
4. The computer can't tell the difference between a warm up and the actual cb. no  the computer can't tell  the diffrence between a warmup and a cb
5. You were playing, meaning the cd must have already been in your computer. no I was not playing
6. You claimed you had to get your cd after hosting for about half an hour, which has been proven impossible by the above statements. no I was playing in someone elses game I can play in other peoples game without my cd but I have to have my cd to host
7. You apparently had a different reason to tab out than getting the cd. no I usually don't tab out and I didin't tab out to get my cd
8. You replaced the real files with your hacked files. no I did not replace my real files with my hacked files
9. Your team would not die (or it was nearly impossible to kill them). no it is not impossble to kill our team
10. The other team died extremely easily. no the team did not die extreamely easily I host a lot of games and people can kill me
11. You are a cheater. no I am not a cheater
12. You should be banned from the battle league and GameRanger. no I should not be banned from the battle league and gameranger


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 28, 2003, 04:55:39 am
no I don't think my host is common but I don't know what to do about it it's just lag and host adv I think I don't know people play on my host and think it's fine actually they like my host I odn't know sence this thing is getting ot be a big deal maybe we should delete that cb and cancel those points and just forget about the whole thing just a suggestion I don't know


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 28, 2003, 05:39:40 am

7. You apparently had a different reason to tab out than getting the cd. no I usually don't tab out and I didin't tab out to get my cd

HMMMMMMMMMM
THEN WHAT DID HE TAB OUT FOR, IF HE JUST ADMITTED PLAINLY THAT IT WASN'T FOR HIS CD... THERE MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER THING THAT HE NEEDED TO DO ON HIS COMPUTER OUTSIDE OF THE GAME. WHAT MIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN RABID? GETTING SOME HACKED FILES?


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN Silent Killer on February 28, 2003, 05:40:49 am
RocketB12 (9:27:47 PM): hi
RocketB12 (9:27:56 PM): I posted
bensk8erm30 (9:28:00 PM): im reading
RocketB12 (9:28:05 PM): k
RocketB12 (9:28:13 PM): dude perma ban from GR wtf?
bensk8erm30 (9:28:21 PM): GR?
RocketB12 (9:28:26 PM): gameranger
RocketB12 (9:28:28 PM): duh
bensk8erm30 (9:28:30 PM): no
bensk8erm30 (9:28:32 PM): from *DAMn site
RocketB12 (9:28:37 PM): ?
bensk8erm30 (9:28:41 PM): BL
RocketB12 (9:28:41 PM): but it says GR to
bensk8erm30 (9:28:43 PM): forum
bensk8erm30 (9:28:48 PM): where
bensk8erm30 (9:28:48 PM): ?
RocketB12 (9:28:52 PM): look at my post
RocketB12 (9:28:57 PM): and look at the last question
bensk8erm30 (9:29:09 PM): ahhh
bensk8erm30 (9:29:10 PM): its posible
RocketB12 (9:29:13 PM): see?
RocketB12 (9:29:15 PM): wtf?
RocketB12 (9:29:22 PM): dude I don't wanna get banned from GR
bensk8erm30 (9:29:26 PM): well
bensk8erm30 (9:29:28 PM): i donno
bensk8erm30 (9:29:34 PM): every spec of evedence points to you
RocketB12 (9:29:38 PM): well I answered the questions
RocketB12 (9:29:50 PM): so am I not going to be banned?
bensk8erm30 (9:29:59 PM): i donno
bensk8erm30 (9:30:01 PM): probably
RocketB12 (9:30:05 PM): wtf?
bensk8erm30 (9:30:27 PM): you basicly put there questions and added a "No" to it
RocketB12 (9:30:34 PM): so?
bensk8erm30 (9:30:37 PM): well
RocketB12 (9:30:45 PM): I answered them
bensk8erm30 (9:30:48 PM): no evedence you posted will turn the tables
RocketB12 (9:31:00 PM): well what do they want me to say
bensk8erm30 (9:31:16 PM): 11. You are a cheater. no I am not a cheater
RocketB12 (9:31:22 PM): ya I'm not
bensk8erm30 (9:31:32 PM): 11. You are a cheater. no I am not a cheater
RocketB12 (9:31:41 PM): yes I am not a cheater
bensk8erm30 (9:31:49 PM): 5. You were playing, meaning the cd must have already been in your computer. no I was not playing
6. You claimed you had to get your cd after hosting for about half an hour, which has been proven im
bensk8erm30 (9:31:57 PM): rabid
RocketB12 (9:32:01 PM): ya I wasn't playing
bensk8erm30 (9:32:02 PM): u just added a "No"
RocketB12 (9:32:08 PM): so?
bensk8erm30 (9:32:13 PM): that dosnt do anything
bensk8erm30 (9:32:17 PM): your probably still gona get banned
RocketB12 (9:32:39 PM): well theres nothing moe I can do
bensk8erm30 (9:32:46 PM): well than
bensk8erm30 (9:32:52 PM): you could tell the truth
bensk8erm30 (9:32:54 PM): ?
RocketB12 (9:33:04 PM): I am telling the truth I have been the whole time
bensk8erm30 (9:33:15 PM): because right now, what u just posted, i dont really belive you, with all the evedence, the CD, and you always wanting to hack
RocketB12 (9:33:34 PM): dudeI don't wanna hack anymore and I was just kidding
bensk8erm30 (9:33:44 PM): "anymore"
bensk8erm30 (9:33:50 PM): ?
bensk8erm30 (9:33:53 PM): rabid?
RocketB12 (9:33:54 PM): I never did hack
RocketB12 (9:34:02 PM): I tried to but I didn't succeed
bensk8erm30 (9:34:14 PM): you tried?
bensk8erm30 (9:34:21 PM): ok this is a start
bensk8erm30 (9:34:23 PM): this is good
RocketB12 (9:34:24 PM): ya I looked on the web but it was pc
bensk8erm30 (9:34:35 PM): ok heres the thing
RocketB12 (9:34:43 PM): a long time ago when I was in tf6 or somethin
bensk8erm30 (9:34:47 PM): do u know how to mod kiles?
bensk8erm30 (9:34:51 PM): files*
RocketB12 (9:34:53 PM): no


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: ?TF6_Mr. Grape ? on February 28, 2003, 05:42:11 am
Have any of you ever talked to Rabid?  He is a moron.  I don't believe that he is capable of cheating.  This is just a game, anyone can get good.  When somone is good people get jealous and accuse them.  I have played on his host and I have never experienced him taking a lot of hits whithout dying.  Typhy you cb'd TbD sure that you would win, you lost and you want to make an axcuse for it.  All of you have NO EVIDENCE that Rabid cheated.  All of you hate him and want him gone.  That isn't fair.  I am sure Rabid did not cheat, and if he did no one has any evidence to prove it.  Why can't anyone just accept the fact that rabid is good at rs?  HE IS INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!! LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Mr.Grape


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 28, 2003, 05:54:26 am
 Typical Rabid, just as I expected. Too bad you couldn't have been smart enough to come out and deny everything right from the start; why is it that you suddenly remember things just as you're about to get into trouble? Perhaps Mysterio can remember one of the peoeple who was in the game, so that we can get the proof that Rabid was hosting. I remember it well, I challenged them to a CB, Yoshida said that he wanted to warm up first. Rabid hosted up an 8 person game, Myst, Yoshida, myself, and about 5 others joined. We played for anywhere between 25 minutes and 40 minutes, before Yoshida declared himself "warmed up". Rabid then said that he had to tab out for his CD.

Rabid, if you're going to lie, is that really the best that you can come up with?

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maybe we should delete that cb and cancel those points and just forget about the whole thing just a suggestion I don't

This is the first relativly intelligent thing that I've heard Rabid say since this argument started. He now sees that everyone knows he cheated, so he is trying to get the CB dropped, so that I will back off. Well, there is more of this than that; much, much more. The most important thing about this is that you recive some punishment for cheating. The CB is far less important to me. I don't want a cheater in the battle league, simple as that.

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1. You were hosting rogue spear. yes I was hosting Rogue Spear

Ok, now look at this one:

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4. The computer can't tell the difference between a warm up and the actual cb. no? the computer can't tell? the diffrence between a warmup and a cb

These statments seem to contradict each other. . . You were hosting Rogue Spear; but you hadn't been playing. . . Hmm, how does that work? Are you saying that you were only hosting a gameroom? Do you want to bet your whole case on a poor lie like that, which I can easily prove not to be true? Or do you want to try and make up something better?

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10. The other team died extremely easily. no the team did not die extreamely easily I host a lot of games and people can kill me

Wow Rabid, way to miss the point. The other team died really easily; that means that Mysterio and I died really easy. That's what I had the problem with, like I said about Yoshida taking 16 shots - That happens from time to time, what doesn't happen, is 1 team not taking more than 1 shot for a whole CB.

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mauti I can't answer your questions I don't remembe


Hmm, then I see all these bullshit answers? Pretty sad; as I said before, you've had all this time to think up what to say, and this pathedic lie is the best that you can come up with?

You're ruining your own argument. It's not good to change things part way through. If you don't remember then, why do you remember now? Did some how, all of the answers, to all of the questions instantly come to your mind as soon as you realized that your "I don't remember" argument wasn't going to work?

Now Rabid, let's have some real answers.  [/color]


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: †FiRE Infection on February 28, 2003, 05:58:07 am
Snipey you know what he meant, he was saying he didn't tab out for anything and he didn't tab out for his cd and I'm pretty sure you understand that, don't play with words.



Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 28, 2003, 06:00:56 am
Of course Mauti's approval would have to be required for this to happen, but I would like to propose something.

If rabid stops stalling, and comes out and admits that he did indeed cheat during a cb, I propose that we lessen his sentence, possibly a termination of battle league cbing priveledges, but no request of Evill to ban him from Gameranger. (something along those lines)

If he does not admit to cheating, and we are all in agreeance that he did in fact cheat, then I propose he is banned from the battle league indefinately, and a request is sent to Evill for the termination of Rabid's account. (Permaban)

Time's running out rabid. Time to confess. We know. You know. You know we know. The only thing left is to salvage as much as you can in terms of a punishment.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 28, 2003, 06:01:11 am
 Grape, any fool can cheat at Rogue Spear, as the host. It's not hard, even someone as dumb as Rabid can do it. The "he's to dumb to cheat" argument is one of the worst I've ever heard, for any issue.

Grape, are you doubting my skills at Rogue Spear? Excuse me, what was that score between MP5 and TF6? Oh, yes, I belive that it was 6 games to 1, our favor.

Another weak point in your post is "Rabid is just a good player," If he were "just a good player", why did we always die with 1 shot on Rabid's host, but not on mine?

How do you explain Silent Killer's tests?

If you seriously consider Rabid a better player than me, then you're just a fool.  



Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 28, 2003, 06:05:01 am

 Typhy, you did play against Rabid in a Fire cb and beat him I'm guessing also on his host so what was the difference?

 I didn't personaly play against him, my team did, and they kicked his ass. I appreciate your brining this up, it's only more help for my argument; why has Rabid's host changed so much?


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 28, 2003, 06:06:10 am
okey okey I admit it I cheated I hacked my game I admit it I'm sorry I didn't think me and yoshi were going to be capable of beating typhys new clan so I hacked my host I'm sorry everyone but you were right


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 28, 2003, 06:10:01 am
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CASE CLOSED

I expect mauti will find a suitable punishment.

Thank you for ending this rabid.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: iBeer on February 28, 2003, 06:10:06 am
EVERYONE:

This is ridicoulus. As a vet host, i know HOW to mod, specifically mod and all. First off: You CAN host withouth a CD.  It is true i have done it before (however i could only do it with MP maps, if it makes it any easier, server side maps can too)  Secondly, as FAR as I could recall, you CAN'T change server files without restarting the server (when a client joins a server, it checks to make sure it has all the files it needs, and any not matching files; will be temporarily overwritten by the server version)

And, I have hosted on many occaision where after tabbing out for a quick second (primarily to change iTunes song :D) the lag needs to re-settle, and usually gives the host what we vets like to call 'host advantage'


HOWEVER, that said : I feel it is quite unlikely for the lag unsettling to cause that much of a distortion.  I also feel Rabid is not telling the truth, and his lack of cooperation with the rest of the forum REEKS of lies.  RABID: Cut the bullshit, and save your graces : DID you or DID YOU NOT cheat?


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Jeb - lazy again on February 28, 2003, 06:11:56 am
I propose a 13th question that i want answers to...
13. Rabid do you know when to use periods and commas in your posts?

I think rabid is capible of moding files, for instance (snipe knows this guy pretty well) Shadow. Shadow was a stupid 10 year old even worse than rabid, abd his host was modded 6 ways to sunday.
Rabid clearly hasn't been able to defend against the charges, he should instead be pleading to not be banned.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Typhy on February 28, 2003, 06:12:08 am
 Well Rabid, at least you came up and admitted to it, eventually.

I want to thank Snipe, Silent Killer, Mysterio, Pat, Yoshida, and anyone who I forgot, who helped to get the truth out of this.

 


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Supernatural Pie on February 28, 2003, 06:19:23 am
okey okey I admit it I cheated I hacked my game I admit it I'm sorry I didn't think me and yoshi were going to be capable of beating typhys new clan so I hacked my host I'm sorry everyone but you were right

Let the record show the defendant has overturned his plea of not guilty and has chosen a plea of "guilty."

iBeer... just a bit late on that one.


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN Mauti on February 28, 2003, 09:52:32 am
This is going to be ridiculous. However Rabid please check your forum private messages.

Bye,

Mauti


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN Silent Killer on February 28, 2003, 01:48:13 pm
omfg rabid why did u reply so soon i so wanted credit

Im sorry i had to log onto aim and tell you that i was yosh and get the info out of you, i have the whole chat loged saved heres just part of it

bensk8erm30 (9:41:29 PM): rabid i dont freakin care, i wont tell a sole, but if your gona say you cheated, than just tell me I DONT CARE
RocketB12 (9:41:38 PM): k
RocketB12 (9:41:42 PM): fine I cheated
bensk8erm30 (9:41:49 PM): did u mod your files?
RocketB12 (9:41:55 PM): yes
bensk8erm30 (9:42:00 PM): what ones/
RocketB12 (9:42:09 PM): I  don't know the names
bensk8erm30 (9:42:21 PM): what did u change, the bullet strenth?
RocketB12 (9:42:30 PM): yes
RocketB12 (9:42:37 PM): are you gonna post this?
bensk8erm30 (9:42:42 PM): No
RocketB12 (9:42:45 PM): oh
bensk8erm30 (9:42:50 PM): well
bensk8erm30 (9:42:54 PM): just keep quite
bensk8erm30 (9:42:55 PM): for not
bensk8erm30 (9:42:57 PM): now*
RocketB12 (9:43:01 PM): but what do I do
RocketB12 (9:43:05 PM): I have totell mauti
bensk8erm30 (9:43:06 PM): nothing right now
bensk8erm30 (9:43:09 PM): not now
RocketB12 (9:43:12 PM): but then i wil g et banned
bensk8erm30 (9:43:21 PM): mb for a month
bensk8erm30 (9:43:24 PM): but probably not perma
bensk8erm30 (9:43:26 PM): mautis nice
RocketB12 (9:43:32 PM): but I have to do somethign
RocketB12 (9:43:34 PM): how will he know?
bensk8erm30 (9:43:34 PM): O BTW You have been fooled by *DAMN Silent Killer

Thx typhy, pat, myst, snipe  and all of the others

Rabid all of me telling you all that crap that wont happen to you is BS, i hate you, and i hope you get permabanned

Cheaters Will Die


(If any1 wants the log talk to me on GameRanger)
OMG YOU GOT OWNED
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Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: Da? Rabid on February 28, 2003, 03:17:03 pm
okey ty everyone for proving me guilty and mauti can you lock this topic


Title: Re:tBd discussion: continued
Post by: *DAMN Mauti on February 28, 2003, 06:22:43 pm
Due Rabid's private messages I came to a decision. Head over to the BL news.

General I want to add that I disliked the way Typhy, SK and Snipe set Rabid under pressure to post that he cheated. I couldn't take this answer as evidence because it was obviously extorted. Rabid was threated that he gets a GameRanger ban if he doesn't post it. That's not the way it works guys. SK's chatlog where he pretended to be Yosh was a nice idea. The decision bases on private messages with Rabid.

Thread locked!

Mauti