*DAMN R6 Forum

Hey all, I just was curious here. What in your eyes makes someone a vet? Is it how long they have been on GR, how long they have played the game, or how good they are, what is it?

I ask this because the other day I was in a game with someone (cough*matt*cough) and he was saying that he was 3/4 of the way to being a vet....I had a good laugh and carried on. Then I got to thinking, why would he think that? ::)

Anyways, just wanted to hear your opinions on what it takes to be a vet. And Im sure it's not..... :P

Kilzo, out...(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/rambo.gif)

It is hard to define this, but i would say it is a combination of many aspects:

1) How long you play a game, b/c u can only be a vet in a special case. Some ppl for example are r6 vets but they are newb in RS or GhR.

2) It is how good u are - the leght of playing a game take also afffect on your SKIL. U get better the longer and often you play a game. Training effect.

3) U play not like a newb. - means U play thought through , using tactics. And u learn out of mistakes. U dont take evry lost game too serious, but u also can make a game after beeing bad the games before - simply b/c of beeing pissed of loosing or beeing pissed of ppl who play against/or with u.

In one word vets - are experinced players with having high skils when they were active.

Playing for a long time without learning out of mistakes dont make a vet of u! So u need the process of learning.

4) I would also call only ppl as vet, who have generaly good manners and respectfull to ohter ppl, also to newbs.

A vet, in my humble opinion, is someone who :

-has shown he/she knows how to play
-doesnt need to ask stupid questions in a game (eg: "which gun is best?"(in RS), and, "where is my minimap?" (in GhR))
-has good manners, and doesnt go ballistic if he/she loses.

all in all it is mainly about experience and mental age (eg. not being a 25-year old acting like a 12-year old pubering pimply kid)

It may be interesting not to make a list of who is a vet, but to have people who think they are vets post that. I'm not going to make any claims about my own veteranity, since making claims about myself is not my style

I'm with MacMan on this.

Imo the only criterias for a veteran in a specific game are;
having played the game for a substantial amount of time,
being a respectable member of the community (manners and all that),
knowing the game, not having to ask basic questions,
skills of course, doesn't really have to own all the time though (ownage comes and goes as everyone knows).

a vet is someone who plays with style and flair yet still manages to get 3 or 4 every game. combine this with a low GR id# & you have a vet.

One thing i forgot:

Noone can deside that he/she is a vet - that is what others ( the community ) do.

Thats the most funny thing when someone sais he is on the way to get a vet - b/c evry one is kinda on the way to get a vet - newb start his way other are a bit more in front.

But when someone says the he made the way for 75% than it is more then funny it is stupid.

 When I think of a "vet", I think of someone who has come from Rainbow Six to Rogue Spear ( I guess in a year or so, it'll be someone who's come from Rogue Spear to Ghost Recon ). - But there is more to it than that.

I consider a "vet" someone who has either come from Rainbow Six, or came in early to RS, ( back before full RS, maybe ).

I don't think that GameRanger ID is really an important part of it, sure you have to have a semi low one ( 60,000 or below ), but just because you have a GameRanger ID in the 200s, doesn't make you a vet, it goes by what time you joined the RS/R6/GhR community.

Also, I commenly see so called "Vets" bitch about lag and all, fairly often. - There's a difference between knowing how to act, and actually acting that way. Example; a guy like Silent Killer is a vet, even though he acts like he's a 5 year old in a mental hospital. I belive that anyone who came into things back in the Rainbow Six days, before Rogue Spear, should be considered a vet.

Just my 2?.

What about me Typhy?

Sure I blow at RS but i have a low GR ID, I played RS demo on PC before R6 was even on Mac, just joined the RS community this year though. April or May IIRC.

with low GR ID i was thinking more like less than 40,000? and everyone complains about lag, no matter what anyone says i guarantee everyone says something about it at least once in a while.

 Well, I think that the general consideration of a "vet" is someone who has been in this gaming community. There are players like you, and Hitman, who come from the PC side and have played a long time, but are relativly new to this gaming community ( Hitman's been here about a year, you've been here about 6 months ). - I think that most people here consider a vet someone who has spent a long period of time in the *DAMN R6/RS/GhR community, and not just someone who has played the game for a long time.

"Sure I blow at RS" - You don't blow at RS. You're one of the better players in one of the best clans. Or was that meant as a joke?

When I hear "vet" I think "A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity" hehe

And another thing I think when I hear "vet" is... not Typhy ;)

Well, the only people in consideration of being called a vet by me are those who have proven themselves in combat in games that I have played or have reputations with people I respect/respected....and there are very few of them.

So what I am getting at is that most of you forum dwellers are not vets in my eyes - don't take it personally.

Hmm. A few people have said I'm a vet, but I don't really consider myself one. My GR ID is pretty low for an RS player(31780, booyah), but I didn't play R6 much, and I don't think I bought RS until like 3 months after it was already out. In my opinion, a vet is someone who has respect from a good portion of the community. They don't have to be very good, but they've been around long enough that most people at least recognize them, and most of the other vets have respect for the fella. So, in my opinion, being a vet is mostly just having earned the respect of your peers, in this case anyways.
If you want to get really technical though, the only real vets are the ones that have completed all of the single player missions, know a lot about RS, know all the maps, and just have an overall veteran-ness about them.

A vet is someone who doesn't Lie, Cheat and BS all the time. Anyone who remember's assassin's cyber pimping, buddha, kos starting, and has been playing ever since with a level of repsect is a vet.

Also if your not hated and are in the "leet forum innercircle" you are a vet.  ;)

 I guess you can call me a Bolo vet! ;)

"Also if your not hated and are in the "leet forum innercircle" - I see you threw that one in to eliminate Bondo and I.

I personaly don't consider how people act an acurate indicator of wether they're a "vet" or not. There can be your little newbie out there, who acts polite, is respectful, and is an ok player, but far from being a "vet". I'd give it to anyone who origonated as a Rainbow Six player.

People see this in different ways, A veteran is someone who has be here for at keast 2 years and is an above average player. Also it could be someone who has been here for a very long time (since the good ole' days), but an average player. Also it could be someone who has been here for 6 months and is a phenomonal player.

Later,
Mattster

 I disagree to both of the things that you said there, Matt. I've been around for longer than about 98% of the community, my first account was in the 200s. - Does this make me a vet? Maybe a GameRanger vet, but it has nothing to do with wether I'm a vet in the RS/R6/GhR community or not.

Nor does playing skill. Someone can come in from the PC world, and be a great player, but only be here for 6 months, and you will consider them a vet? - In my opinion, a vet is someone who has spent a long time with the community, thats why I usually refer to it as someone who origonated as a R6 player, before RS.

Just my 2?

I consider people who call me a noob to be vets.

Well, then you'd consider everyone a vet...

I consider someone who is really good and has had a lot of schooling in helping animals.  They save their lives and stuff.  That's the person I consider a vet.   Sort of like Wombat's mom.

I don't think you can call a person who's new to the community a vet no matter how good he is. Imo being respected and known in the community is everything when it comes to evaluating who's a vet or not.

I was going to reply to infection's post but I decided not to...

oh i forgot to mention this, if people are ever like:
"Omg farmer you said something to me?" like myst or "omg you know who i am"
stuff like that means your a vet.

hmmm, what better then to get every ones idea... well, what do you guys think about me? i started in demo... clan called |DA|... then <CIA> (i know... assassin remembers, hehe) KotA, then *D$... and finnaly *DAMN...
 and base the rest on my personality and skilz i guess... i want to hear peoples opinon (or how every you spell the damn word  ;D)

I think its too hard to put a single definition of a vet into words that everyone agrees on. For me I can tell who is a vet and who is not by how they carry themselves in and out of the game.

Its all about ggs anyway.

I agree, I think a vet as an animal doctor, just like Wombat's mom.

Uh, Typhy, by your definition I'm a vet... That's way off.

Frankly, it's obvious who the vets are. They play with a different mindset then different RS players. First of all, when they talk you can understand what they mean. They use teamwork to take out the baddies, they don't camp (sorry Jeb), and they have an odd stratagy. I mean, in Rainbow 6 you can tell who is a vet and who isn't by how they play. Even if a player played for 6 months, I could tell he's not a vet, but he had practice. It's in their style. What do they do when they see someone on hbs running away. How do they deal with certain in game situations. That's a vet.

A vet has nothing to do with manners or politeness, those are morals or lifestyle.

P.S. Ult, you're a noob! :)

Ben

A vet is someone who has been there and done that. Jeb is a vet, even if he does camp. I have seen all vets camp, I have seen oso, I have seen ult. Camping could be a unusual strat.

A vet is someone who's been in the community long enough to know most people and be friends with them. It has aboslutely nothign to do with skill, you just have to be around for a while.

omg, i only camped in Rs in my final few months of playing, simply because of how boring the game got. Besides i don't camp at GHR

Veteran (Ve-tur-an) (Gaming def.) - One who knows games to the fullest capability. One who plays those games with comradere and intelligence. One who knows what a noob is and how to deal with one.

Ahh, Jeb has figured it out.  It doesn't matter what your Gameranger number is, how good you are, whether or not you were around to switch to RS when it came out (or in some cases not.  Rock on R6!).  It doesn't even matter if you are respectful on the forum or in game, just so long as you're in the leet forum innercircle.

Basically, "Veteran" is a title that is bestowed upon you, not earned by you.

By the way... who is in that leet forum inner circle?  I'd like to see a list... so that i may KILL THEM.  BASTARDS!!!111 They laugh at me! Why must they laugh at me! I have the "1337 skillz" too! I have reached puberty! I consume alcohol on a regular basis.  I can be cool!  I'm just like them!  Why can't they be my FRIENDS?  I just want to be in their "leet inner circle".  IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?!?

*tear*

(You know, there really needs to be a crying face for the more sensitive forum-goers such as myself.)

Sorry, you and douf are out of luck. At the entrance to the inner circle there is a big sign that says in bold letters "Syrup rules, janitors drool. NO FLOORMOPPERS ALLOWED!"

so, i have to ask here. have i reached vet status yet?. and don't lie or else i will have to beat you down with my post count

We all know you are the biggest n00b around here Brain...  ;D

posting alot doesn't make you a vet  ;D you jus need leet skillz at GHR and haxxoring

(pardon t hsi spam and the speling errors i had a bad incounter with a 190$ bottle of cognac tonight)

you mean those "leet" skills in GhR which you don't have jeb?  :P

i must say jeb always seems to be getting drunk and writing threads here on the forum, but I am not bashing that is a good thing!! so jeb, have one on me buddy and drink up!! ;D

Haha, $190 bottle of cognac? Either that means you're drunk or it means that you're drunk.

I think I say this for most of the "forum dwellers", get off your high horse!
A "vet" is someone who doesnt have to put down others to make himself look more important.
A "vet" is someone who helps out in the community.
A "vet" is someone who has respect for others even if they are "noobs"
that is my 2?

LIES! WHAT LIES!

You'll lose hard if you don't camp a bit in GhR, that game is made for camping (because of all the big maps).

  Oh yeah i was in that game... That was funny. But i have to say what makes a Vet in my mind is.
?Not the GameRangerID
?How long they've been actully playing the games R6 and RS
?There skillz
?But most of all there status with the other RS and R6 player's.

   Wallie~

A vet is anyone who conducts themselves in game and out like Grifter did.

Hmmm I think Im still a Newbie but I heard that Newbieship is over after year 1. I have 5 days until 1 year of playing Six. Im pretty good but nothing special. depending on my mood I can be agreeable or not and those who fight with me usualy do it because im a liberal and I didnt know Grifter so I dont know how I stack up.

Just having played it for a year doesn't make a veteran imo. You have to be seen as a veteran by others to be a veteran, so it's all about how other people percept you.

i think its about 4 things
1. You came DIRECTLY from R6
2. A semi Low Account number (below 40,000)
3. Not A Clan whore
4. Respect from the people that play the game that you are best at
thats it

Is there going to be an RSL club?

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RSL? Rogue Spear....L....

  Plz Gray stay on topic.
  But enny ways. I was thinking and i relised that no one that I know of in the RS and R6 comunity ever reached the honor of being Elite. Elite is something that cant be ubtained, well I was thinking about this in the car while stoned...
  So if there arn't enny "Elite's" then there are very veiw Vet's as well. Jeb, Oso and Ulto like Cossack said are the only ones on the top of my mind, I could think of more but it doesnt matter.
   Good Night.

    Wallie~

I miss those days when school was hard cause i'd play rainbow six for 4 hours straight every night. When every night i'd have arguments with all the sixes, seals, the sbr's, and damns. Back in the day when id' change my name every week trying to be mysterious and join a good clan. Now well all play ghost recon once in a while and r6 is dieing off. Its so sad. I'm going to go cry...later.

Oooh, all this talk brings back the memories, esp Mauti's article on the front page.
Back in the days of SiX, dts, DAMN, SEALs, POD, Syrup.  Then then was BLUE, esp (esp was before SiX), dos (dos was before dts), good old WLA and MR MAUL.  I miss those days, the R6 days, the late nights.  It was using hbs and prefire.  Triple burts carbine, on city, through the window at the opposing team's main doorway out right off the bat.  I miss SiX!  Kor, Jami, JN, Meph, EZ, Park, Krez, Pun, Piggy, Roy (Roy and his non-hbs ways).  dts too, dontpush, friendlyfire and wiseguy.  aaahhhh, anyways, enough of that.  good times had by all. good times.
-buffy

damn, I'm missing number 1. I came in with the rs demo

I have the first 3.  As for the fourth, they may or may not respect me as a player.  Not as a person.  As a person I have a tendency toward S&M and bestiality (sometimes at the same time)... and most people are just too sheltered to be into that.

Thankfully, Wrath is not most people. *wink*

That is of course the main reason I haven't met Mort, but I do find him serially amusing.

And I'll just add my own definition of a vet to the mix -

Anyone who's been around as long or longer than you have.  Seriously, don't we all feel that way?

Ahh, very good point made there by Loudnotes. That's pretty much how I feel about it, too, now that I think about it.

noob

with the exception of pun

ult i like your qote of the week hehehehe

yah any1 who is older than you is more "Vetish" than you so .....thats it

When I said RSL club i dident mean Rogue Spear Club, i meant Retired Services Legue, u know, where real veterns go to eat cheap, well here in australia anyway. with mauti saying you had to be a true r6 player, but none of the true ones play anymore, so now you know what i mean. i was just throwing some anger at mauti, considering a have all aspects of a vet bar playing r6 for awhile.

Ok. Changing my definition. Vets not skill or age, its respect from other Vets.  The definition of a Vet starts with the best, and then whoever he/she respects  or is friends with becomes a vet, and it goes on..

Roy, you're a sexy vet :)

Zait, you're not a vet.

SK, You're saying I'm a vet?

Buffy, Awwww. Good times! :)

Sunny, One splurge of random letters: s/?! :) We owned!

Grey, I just hope thats a lame joke.

Ben

Grayhound,

i do not know if i am a vet in your eyes, but its is not true that noone of the old guys is playing anymore.

Some are still there: all old EUR members: Stevie, Raphael, Neutron, Orkan, Nitraat and me we are all still playing. Yes we are still online and we play R6, RS and GhR. And I can say that some other vets besides the clan EUR still play one of these games. Some still do with R6.

So many of the original r6 players are still on and fight.