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k i have a question about rules for  GhR cb:
(was cb with DEA)

Team colors things:
1-Is Blue color is  forbidden coz they didnt allow us to use it? (didnt c anything in rules about this)

2-Guest clan have to choose his color and not decide both colors isnt ?

3-Clan A host, Clan B pick a color ,some games then its crash and then it wont work anymore.
Clan B host (new host),Clan A want to pick a color, Clan B doesnt
agree, is it legal ?

Also i noticed TONS clan (and myself till Mauti explained me the rule point) a CLAN can choose a map TWICE (so a map can be played 4 times on a cb if boths choose same), had to argue with DEA girls for this lol

Well the rules aren't specific about this.

The only rule about teamcolor is:

Guest clan (the one not hosting) chooses team color and the maps played. Team color cannot be changed after decided though.

Well this rule was made for R6 and RS. However it is under General Rules so if you go by current rules guest clan chooses teamcolor. For R6 and RS there isn't another option  but for GR...

Hmm you could interpret the rules in both ways. Chooses team color is undefined if it counts for both clans or not.

Honestly you found a whole in the rules for GR. I'll fix that as soon as I have some time.

About point 3 the guest clan can chooses teamcolor. So clan B isn't allowed to deny.

However I'll add some rules for GR asap.

Bye,

Mauti

@ Mauti

hmm so settings setups by DEA for the  DEA-Tribe CB  are ilegals right ?
if so, i ask u Mauti to cancel the result.
If u need any screenshot about the color thing conflicts i think i have arround 30+- screenshots.
Just tell me

Okay Horda didnt tell the whole story here.  We started the clan on Horda's server, so DEA chose the color.  After about 3 games (i think), the server crashed.  Horda tried on multiple occasions to get the game running again, but he couldn't.  DEA, being the gracious competitors that we are ;), offered to continue the CB on our host.  When we got to our server, TRIBE wanted to pick new colors.  The clan battle had already started, and following that same rule, the team colors cannot be changed once decided.  We just switched servers because Horda (or whoever was hosting for TRIBE, i cant remember off hand) could get the game back up.

And if i'm not mistaken, DEA at the point could have said TRIBE was in forfiet.  I've heard of a similar situation when DAMN was battling MaD.  MaD was hosting, the game crashed, MaD couldn't get the server running again, so DAMN said they were in forfiet, give DAMN a 6-0 win.  Please correct my if i am wrong about this case.

First - the story with MaD with a bit different - they said they give up after some hosting probs at a score 4-1 for *DAMN(at least what me was told).

About the Tribe vs DEA cb. I think colors aren't a reason to drop a cb because they don't affect the game very much. However fire:fly you are wrong: teamcolors can't be changed once you decided on one host -> You switched host so Tribe was now the guest clan and can chose of course a new teamcolor.

However the rules are very unclear concerning GR so I'll update them asap to prevent such probs.

Bye,

Mauti

Hey Mauti...

Understood but after a few games with the uniforms and then you switch unis wouldnt that have a higher TK %?

What kind of sense does that make that you can switch colors even if you change servers..... the game crashed, not DEA or TRIBE fault, but because it is a glitch, that doesn't excuse new colors. If someone is unhappy about team colors, they need to know them before they decide to CB, not this trash of: if new host new colors may be chosen... WTF is that? that just seems that there are now excuses for choosing diff servers specifically to change colors. If changin colors is allowed, it should be alowed after every game, or never... this is the stupidest thing I've yet heard.

[DEA] SignTist

erm @ DEA its not because host crash u can call a forfeit..

Its exatcly why rules r for and needed to be
or rules need to be adjusted (thats Mauti is going to do)

u read rule 8, just follow it its a loop in the rule 8..

Its just proove how somes (erm) think to know rules very well but do not.

@Mauti: and what i am saying  its DEA forced us to folow their "rules"
i still think this cb was made outlaws and that rules have to be folowed...

SCREENSHOTS: http://fvo.free.fr/dea.sit

@ Mauti: another example : (they wont us choose blue or red) so they say (guest choose team color) DEA choose yellow and guess what they played, RED !
Eight said also red or blue has best camo !
uh hasnt textures are all the same?

Sorry but for me DEA  look like on this cb (not previous 1 wich was very cool and with decent peeps: Dr No Fhaq2 etc) cheating the rules.
Hope u get my point Mauti

Please give me a rest with this. I understand it sucks to loose twice to a shit clan like DEA, but guess what, new colors or not, you would have lost anyway.... I can't beleive you are now draggin colors into it, after all that we've been through sweetie, sugar, darling, baby...... ah whatever.....

  [DEA] SignTist

I cant believe that after so many cb's DEA still dont know the rules
How many clans u forced to play in your way with your customized rules eh ?

Heh Customized rules....

that's some funny shit.

OK OK OK

You start hosting... we start the cb... WE START WINNING and your host dies... YOUR TEAM wanted to host on that crappy server. After you kept crashing your tried getting another team member to host....

YOU WANTED THE HOST! keep that in mind!

NOW we changed HOSTS becuase YOU guys were unable to host and wanted this cb to hurry.

I didn't want to host... BUT i had to in order to keep this cb rolling since non of your guys were capable anymore.

AND YOU WANT THE BLUE CAMO!

FUNNY cuase the BLUE camo has the advantage with sniper gear, excellent for you campers. You guys think youve seen camping?

THE BEST PART IN ALL OF THIS?

You kept saying it's late and wanted us to hurry up.

Yet you would CAMP OUT EVERY SINGLE GAME. FULL 10 MINUTE GAMES BECUASE YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO ASSUALT.


Either way.... I don't think that the camo had anything to do to contribute to their loss.


FURTHERMORE...

Mauti, I think it would be fair to all teams if blue camo got outlawed in CBs.

We won't accept a CB from a well known camping team if they don't host due to this BLUE CAMO.

ok didnt read what eight wrote coz its look he is taking the same bullshit way he used vs V with silly posts


ok we played V was a very cool war we lost 5-7-1
Thank u Flies  for this CB and also thank u for adviced me to say  to Mauti that DEA tried to trick us on rules.
But its look like Mauti doesnt care if rules r not followed and Admins should cancel last war with make with DEA
Also rules need to be polished

To finish this debate. I'll go strict by rules although I personally doubt that a different camo for TRIBE would have affected the outcome. Sorry DEA.

Rules will be changed asap but currently I am very busy at university...

Bye,

Mauti

 Can u explain ur position a bit more?
Mauti said "I'll go strict by rules although"

Rapid... if you're so good and you own them so bad, why don't you just tk them back? BTW, I love your over-excessive use of 'Own3d'

MY BEEF RAPID?

If you didnt go around telling the whole world your so good.... then i wouldnt bother you... I feel that it is my DUTY to make you my bitch.

Especially since you asked me to a 1v1 CB and then when i accepted you backed out by calling me a noob...


AGAIN...

you have been punked down by this noob....

CB or not the offer still stands for your 1v1 if you got the balls that is.

I just love how every thread in these forums eventually turn into a DEA bashing session.  good times.

I can say personally that I was not trying to trick anyone.  The rule says that uniform colors cannot be changed after a CB starts.  We started the CB, that is what I was going by.  If I knew that the first half of the rule takes precedence ("guest clan chooses color"), then I would have gladly given TRIBE their blue uniforms, because honestly, I don't see it making a much of a difference anyhow.  The rule doesn't take into consideration that the host may be switched mid way though.  If the hosts do switch, the first half of that rule is in direct conflict with the second half.  

Mauti, i dont see how you can say that you're strictly following the rule and void our CB when the second half of the rule supports DEA's case as well.  I followed the rule as i understood it.  And especially to void the CB over such in inconsiquential thing as uniforms, when the CB wasn't even closely contested at 6-2-2.  If it was much closer, then maybe something like uniforms might have had something to do with the outcome (and i stress maybe).

The thing that really upsets me is that after we all took a break and looked at the rule, Horda agreed with me after he read the same rule that i did,  that we couldnt change colors midway (which i have a screenshot of that i will post as soon as i get to my computer at home).  But now it seems that since TRIBE lost to us legitimately, they are looking for a loophole to save some points.

But hey, what does it really matter, regardless if we actually do anything wrong, DEA is always the bad guy.  So i welcome the 52 more posts this thread will get telling us how much our clan sucks and how we are all assholes.  Please continue, cause it seems no one can get enough of it.

to make thing clears

I have nothing against DEA, Eight alway answred me when i hade rules questionsand so far he a very nice guy alway up to help, what ever if DEA doesnt know/understand rules (same for me some points of rules r unclear) i prefer fix rules questions asap  and i think this kind of disscussion can only bring us better rules (@ Firefly look  rule 8 and c the loop)
And AGAIN i say : we made 2 cb both of cb were cool (specially the first 1)
If i looked a bit ANTi Dea its coz firefly , anyway its DEA leader to control his troops and what i said involve only me and not my clan

Your Beef with everyone since you're such an asshole.  You got beef with me now fool, and it's because you're a dumbass n00b that TK's to think you're cool.


LMAO!, Just because I've accomplished so much with my clan:
?Winning the 1st BL we entered(6 Month Long PreSeason BL)
?Winning the 1st *DAMN Clan Tournament in RS
?Best Winning Streak for RS in BL
That makes YOU MY BITCH, since you're the jealous one searching for attention.  You got it, you're now known as the Big Mouth n00b that gets often beaten in CB's, and disrespects others to try and gain respect for himself.  How's that for a reputation Eight :o


LMAO!  Go ahead and keep showing us how big a n00b you are.  A CB is a Clan Battle.  You can't have 1 man clans fuckhead.  Therefore you can't have CB's in 1v1's idiot. :o
Besides, I asked you for a 1v1, and your dumbass goes and logs off GR.  When the fuck did you accept?  When you came back 3 hours later? ???  You're obviously my bitch.


Punked?  LOL! ;D  You're the one getting punked around here bitch.  You're the one that resorts to TK'ing in games since you get 0wn3d so badly by me.  You got a lot to learn kid...  Oh, and keep it up chump.  We'll have the pleasure to meet face to face and then we'll see who gets punked. :o


Kid, you didn't have the balls the 1st time I asked you to 1v1.   Funny how you try and make it sound as if you're the one doing the challenging and not backing down... :o  Typical loudmouth n00b in search of attention...

If you want to 1v1(for 1, you could've entered the 1v1 tournament that I entered where I beat VooDoo already) me, lets do it bitch]/b], but don't go around TK'ing thinking it won't come back to you.  Trust me, it's on its way back. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/YaBBImages/ass.gif)

So your canelling the CB Mauti ? We would have beat them weather or not they had a diffrent camo, and your own rules say that a camo cannont be changed... wtf is that ? As for your sorry ass Rapid, you are a sorry punk and you can talk all the shit you want about DEA, but we still own your sorry AK ass (Even Typhy had the sense to get out of your shit clan) and I guess by battling noob cland you meant Virus, AgT, Mp, c|, *DAMN, M4, TRIBE, |XS|... ect becuase we have battle everyone except most of the noob clans you piece of shit. I personally don't think any of the clans I listed above are noob clans, and don't think you are half as good as  you think you are. If you want run around talking so much shit, get a GhR clan together and lets go. DEA beat TRIBE with the same uniforms that the game started with, TRIBE continually ran the game to the time limit and caused us to tie. Their uniforms wouldn't have mattered. So fuck all of you assholes who have some petty shit to say about DEA because we have no problem with anyone, and we (Excluding: GOD & Eight) don't try to start shit with clans. So fuck off and look foward to Virus asking you for a CB cause you said they were noobs, did you not ?

So Mauti, does this mean the CB has been voided ?  >:(

Horda, i don't understand what I've done to make you anti-DEA.  i've never called you a name, never sworn at you, never said anything even remotely aggressive towards you.  All i've done is disagree with you.  I'm sorry if you don't like the fact that i'm going to stand up for having a CB count that we legitimately won.

God damnit Rapid, I hate getting into petty arguments like this, but this has nothing to do with you. This is an argument between [TRIBE] and [DEA] in a game that you barely even play! You are citing that you have higher moral highground than God. You say his clan is not respected. Lets take a look at your clan's past history. You have gotten into an argument with every major clan.  From [DEA] (whom dosent even play RS) to MP to SWAT to KoS. Some of them may be justified but it still takes away from your claimed "moral highground." Rapid when people say you start flame wars, they talk about what you are doing right now. Look at your reputation and your past actions before you insult others.

One thing Rapid... If [DEA] has a bad rep... I don't know what |AK| has.... you are the most disrespected, often made fun of clan on Game Ranger. When conversation gets dry in the Bar & Grill people start to bash AK for fun. Even Typhy had enough sense to leave your shit clan. Cossask has a point, this really is none of your damned bisness, your shitty clan backed down from hundereds of offers, so you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. So take your noob ass, and queer clan where someone gives a shit. If you want to bash [DEA] get yourself a copy of Ghost Recon and watch and weep as we tear you apart. Seeing as how |Ass Klowns| has never clan battled us, you might want to fourm where you can talk about something you acctully know about.

P.S: I'm old school R6 so STFU.

To DEA. Your defense is that you interpreted the rules different. Alright, you say camo can't be changed after a cb started but how comes it that DEA used a different camo on their server but didn't allow Tribe to choose one!? Well you are right to say whole cb on one host. Makes 1-1 in rules that haven't been followed -> cb nullified.

Horda, the reason why I personally disagree with my own decision is that it is simply cheap from you to say the cb can't count because of camos. You lost very clear 6 - 2. However as admin I take the rules as they are.

Btw this has nothing to do with Anti DEA, don't worry.

Greetz,

Mauti
ps.: Rapid you have nothing lost in this thread!

Mauti,

DEA used exactly the same color on both servers, as did TRIBE.  That was our whole point.  I'm not sure if Horda said we changed color when we switched servers, but i've attached 2 screenshots to show that DEA was red on both servers, and TRIBE was yellow on both servers.  There was no change, that was the point I was trying to make.

http://www.fireflydesignstudios.com/DEATRIBEcolors.sit

Ok Mauti

saw ur judgment admin about voiding the cb vs DEA

btw look ur mail, i mailed u suggestion about rules

I have to say, i'm seeing DEAs side on this one.  The rule is pretty ambiguous, and DEA didnt ask anything of TRIBE that they didnt do themselves.  they all kept the same colors.

my 2 cents

Horda,

Mauti based his judgement on false information.  Somehow he got the idea that DEA changed colors when we switched servers and TRIBE did not.  I've posted evidence to show that DEA remained red on both servers and TRIBE remained yellow.

No i think Mauti is able to read something and judge it
and again u cant  forbid a clan to not pick blue or whatever
We played v i asked Flies (V host) that i wanted color blue and team number 1 and guess what ? no problems with V. Also no spam no insult, no capslock when speaking about settings.

I also think that Mauti should add in rules that only leader or person  "in charge" should be able to speak, it will avoid lammers and spammers saying shits and wil allow to comunicate better between in both clans.
spam is ok in the game but not at screen result (Screenshot for scores when its confirmed by both sides) or  b4 the game start a map.
I still think insults is a bad thing in a cb

OK Mauti lemme get this straight...

Your voiding our game... BECUASE? NOT CLEAR ON THIS.....

They started hosting? We chose colors.... then they were unable to host so they decided i should host.....

So now they want to change colors AFTER the cb was started and im not hosting....

We say no. AND THE CB IS VOID?

Next time should we just say... Hey since you cant host no more its a forfiet?

Instead of falling to this stupid trick?

AND MAUTI TO MAKE IT CLEAR
WE DID NOT CHANGE UNIS AFTER THE CB WAS STARTED!

so can we please get the cb to being accepted pls
5v5
thanks


ONE MORE thing...

The 1v1 was all signed up by the time i woke up...

BUT CONSIDER THIS YOUR PERSONAL INVITE SICNE YOU DO PLAY 1v1

eight (or GOD) vs Rapid anytime.....
You beat voodoo, BUT i am not voodoo.....
So flame boy bring it!

Hmm Eight and Fire:fly it's true I decided because of the statement above. No one of you said it is wrong so I thought it is true. However please send me the 2 screenshots one of Tribes and one of DEA's host.

Thanks after this I'll make my final decision.

Bye,

Mauti

Hello Mauti,

I've emailed you the screenshots, the file is kinda big so im including the link for the pictures here again.

SCREENSHOTS: http://www.fireflydesignstudios.com/DEATRIBEcolors.sit

Mauti i would like to show u whats going on in each one of those SS taken by Horda...


We started the cb on their host, we picked red they yellow...

The screenshots are taken on my host... after the cb was started you can see above the score in server name...

This is after we switched host and then they wanted to change the colors to red.


PLEASE VIEW HORDA'S SS AGAIN PLS!!

ok this is gona going funy

ok Eight explain me now why TRIBE couldnt choose team blue at the start of the cb ?(the 1 u hate ande a post about it )
u said its forbiden to play blue team in a cb, i say u customized rules and took reds that according to u red/blue get best insert

anyway Mauti u fall back on what u said? if yes re read the whole thread

Okay Horda, you must forget that we were guests on your server, and WE had first choice of color.  If we were trying to pull some trick on you and gain an advantage, then WHY WOULDN"T DEA HAVE JUST PICKED BLUE?  We had first choice, remember?  I'll tell you why, DEA knows blue has better camo, and we want all things to be fair and equal.  That is why we didn't pick blue, that is why we never pick blue.  So before you go accusing us of picking RED to gain an advantage, remember that we had every opportunity to pick an even better camo.

You lost the match fairly Horda, please try to save a little dignity and accept it.

from Firefly:Okay Horda, you must forget that we were guests on your server, and WE had first choice of color.

ok when u choosed ur color we also had choice of other color, so why eight wouldnt that we take blue ?

ok anyway i resay it again u customized rules and its outlaw.
Look like Blue make problems with DEA and its fine with V (we took blue vs V)
so its why Mauti is gona cancel this cb with DEA i think.
Also i think new rules will come out soon

Horda,

read above.

Its a well known fact the blue's camo is way better than any other camo out  there.  Every CB i've been in, this has been an unspoken agreement.  Neither side takes blue.  It's called good sportsmanship.  Its about having a level playing field.  Its wanting to 2 teams equal out of the starting gate, and allowing skill and tactics to decide the winner, not what either team is wearing.  Red and yellow are practicly the same (Flies, who you like to quote so much has said the same exact thing in the "Ban Blue Camo?" posts, go read it).

Horda. We started that game on your server. So we picked our color.
Your server crashed. WE DID NOT START ANOTHER CB, we were contiuing the same CB. YOU DONT CHANGE COLORS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CB, That is a solid rule. We beat you after you forced us to wait you out every game, we didn't chosoose blue, because we know it is unfair. BUT IF IT STARTS THIS MUCH SHIT NEXT TIME TAKE THE CHEAP CAMO AND GET BEAT AND TAKE YOUR FUCKING LOSS LIKE A MAN. Or maybe next time we will be the guest on your server and we'll take blue and just camp the entire game to run up the timer, like you did.

DEA & TRIBE KEPT THEIR ORGINAL COLORS THROUGH THE ENTIRE CB
Notice how now Horda is going after the blue camo thing cause he knows he can't get us on the other camo cause we followed the fucking rules.

Alright I came to a conclusion in this case. As I posted it in my first reply you can interpret the rules differently. General rules say guest clan chooses always teamcolor. GR specific rules say game has to be on the same host. Well it was nobody's fault that Tribe had troubles to host the whole cb. DEA continued to host with same settings because a rule says you can't change colors once chosen(which counts only if you stay on one host on the other side the rules didn't expect that a clan loses his ability to host during a cb).

As everyone can see few exceptions had to be made to keep the cb going because the rules currently doesn't handle such problems.

I'll fix the rules today. DEA gets its win because Tribe would never had the chance to change colors if the whole cb would have been played on Tribes host.

Bye,

Mauti

i disagree totally Mauti
They forced us to choose a color and said color blue is forbiden and its not ( we played V as blue color team) and we wanted blue

You played the same color as before so whats the problem. If we go by old rules they could have said oh we have to change host but in the rules it says cb has to be played on one host...

Also they didn't invent any new rules they just cont?nued with the same settings because the old rules were unclear about this. Both, selecting new camo or continuing with the same settings, would have been right. So they did nothing that would lead to a dropped cb. If you would have been able to finish the game on your host you also couldn't choose a different camo.

Mauti

Bye,

Mauti

Roger that but u didnt copy that we couldnt choose color blue at start of the cb and forced us to pick another color

Well about this: the rules were also not clear because usually in R6 or RS there were only two possibilities blue or gold. So the guest clan "decided about both colors". It was intended that guest clan chooses both. However old rules were very undetailed about this for GR were you suddenly have 4 camo possibilities.

So until version 1.6 you could interpret the rules in both ways. "guest clan chooses teamcolor" There is no pronoun if they choose only their teamcolor or for all. If I go back from R6 it meant for both clans -> my decision.

Bye,

Mauti

Hi ppls! i think that you all have a point YES! even you Rapid! and [DEA] to and [Tribe] i think that if you want t settle it on the GhR battle feild instead of throwin lowzy insults at eachother!




                                 -[MaD] PaYnE

@ Mauti:
the new rule : Some rules that have been modified or added:


*   10.   Guest clan (the one not hosting) chooses team color/slot and the maps played. Team color/slot cannot be changed as long as the same clan hosts. If the other clan starts hosting the guest clan can choose a different team color/slot

If i was not right about voiding cb with DEA about that they forced to choose  colors etc , why did u add this rule?

I still say the cb dea vs TRIBE should be void coz they didnt follo rules..

anyway ???

For the same reason I added the rule that you can change host if he loses his ability to host: to prevent such problems in the future.

Bye,

Mauti

Well Mauti ,ok i mailed u some rules suggestion but about the last CB with DEA


"If i was not right about voiding cb with DEA about that they forced to choose? colors etc , why did u add this rule?
I still say the cb dea vs TRIBE should be void coz they didnt follo rules.."

i think this war should be canceled if you follow  rules you made (b4 update rules), asking you to put ur Admin hat on  :o

We did follow the rules...

I think it's dumb to say we forced anyone to do anything. If you didn't like the arrangement then you should of never started the cb. Your screenshots clrearly show you guys wanting to change uniforms with a score of 0-1-1...

Meaning the CB has started and you could not change uniforms... Please understand that.

I followed old rules Horda: guest clan chooses teamcolor. DEA was guest so they chose them.(new rules make this more clear because now only 2 choices for GR are available).

DEA only made the "fault" to continue the cb on their host because GR rules said you have to finish the cb on one host. So they could have claimed for a forfeited win.

Mauti

ok u really dont get it do u :)

they DIDNT  lez us pick BLUE  at the START of the cb
wich in rules we could pick this color..

AS explained above DEA was guest clan - guest clan chooses teamcolor(no pronoun here) and since the rules come from R6 and RS it means guest clan chooses both colors. Now the rules are clear about it. If guest clan chooses one color the other team doesn't have any other possibilities as it was in R6/RS.

Mauti

rgt

at least its fixed now with newrules (about colors)

showed also that whatever rule Mauti judge what he thinks is good