*DAMN R6 Forum

I can't believe that cheating has become such an issue over the past few months.  I don't want this to be a problem on the GhR side...Before anyone got banned, we (cO) were planning to do some random cheat tests in the upcoming season..in order to catch the people that we believe are cheating (for wall hacks...maybe, skin mods...most definitely).  But now that people are getting perma banned for this, i don't think its worth so many people getting banned over it.

cO has alot of rival clans that we have been very close with over the past few seasons....maybe they're all clean, maybe not.  But like i said, we don't want anyone else to get banned...this is why im making this public that we will be doing a cheat test in every cb from here on out.  We will be meeting in the middle of a map...with trees, or with walls....and taking 2 ss's of the enemy: 1 ss with night vision, and 1 ss without night vision.  This will tell if the team is using full screen night vision, skin mods, tree mods, wall hacks...basically everything.

We (cO) also ask that the other clans in ghr do the same thing....I don't care if it takes a little longer after the cb to mail the ss's to the opposing team's leader...this will get rid of cheating all together...

And to those who are currently using these type of visual aids...all i can say is you're lucky that someone else took the fall for cheating..because if they didn't, then it would've been you.

yes, as we chatted some days ago, we (z][t) were and still are planning to do the same, randomly. some stuff (more and more) people are starting pull in GhR is simply getting too weird and almost obvious... 
for several seasons we just forgot about cheattests and trusted in sportsmanship of each participant, and i still hope we can, but we will make sure from now on.

Don't say every CB Twist.  Let some think they can get away with it.  It'll be like playing Quick Draw at 7-11.

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i think this sounds good, and i agree fully with how blown out this cheating situation has become.. kind of a shame that we have built a community like this only to be brought down by the couple of people who actually cheat. but i guess in this situation you are only left to punish the masses for the mistakes of the few.

Do we need to change what the cheat test actually tests?

When they were first "invented" they were used to catch people who were using FSNV which I don't even think is possible to do anymore.

What would be considered cheating anyways - you can modify the reticles, command maps but can you modify them to a point where it is unfairly benifiting the user?

yes, fsnv is still possible.

modifying the reticles and command maps wouldnt be considered cheating....planetrainbowsix.com explains how to change these things....replacing texture files for the player skins, or objects in any maps like trees, walls, etc would be considered cheating, in my opinion

When we were in [01] and we played in the Alpha Squad Stealth Recon tournaments they made you quit the game after you got shot in each round to prevent talking to your teammates after you died.

Is that cheating?

how would you edit the reticule or the command maps so that they benefit you unfairly? wouldn't know how that's possible, it's simple graphics. you design them as you want them to look, so it fits your personal taste best and is good and easy to use. you can't edit the reticule or the CM graphics to really affect the game.

what we should definitely test though in cheattest are: fog, soldierskins and maptextures. fsnv is only possible if you know how to workaround GR... because there's a built-in block for changes of those files, even several GhR folders.



i don't think so, it has always been like that with Netfone or GR Premium in-game voicechat. would be kinda stupid to introduce that now also.[/color]

Yeah I agree with the cheat tests. But the one problem I've seen with them is the MASSIVE size of the file. 2.0 Megs a SS is a lot to send in an email. And by reducing the size of the file, quality was lost on my part. This got me a "I cheated thread and forfeited CB."

that's only the case for SS's in Panther, SS's are in .png formate in Tiger and way smaller with as good quality. and since 99% of the clanplayers have DSL or something faster anyway... it's not necessary to edit the SS's in any way, that shouldnt be done anyway to assure the optimal quality of them.

Yeah tell that to me 2 years ago, when I tried to send the 4.4 MB within 15 minutes. Well it took me 15 minutes to realize that it wasn't going to work. By the time I got them in, they already said I modified the pictures and shit.

you have much more time for the sending now acccording to the current rules. also, i doubt that two .pdf GhR screenshots in Panther are 4.4MB's big (you only had to take two SS's in cheattest back then)... you gotta have a damn high display resolution for that, heh. a typical GhR screenshot in .pdf format is about 400kb big (in 1024x768) and about 1MB (in 1280x1024). much less in Tiger now fortunately.

I play with 1440x900, my native display, for GhR. It runs smoothly with it so I might as well.

i doubt there'd be a problem w/ zipping them together...that might cut the size down.

they can always be sent via iChat... no need for messing with emails

that'd probably be the best way to send them

The problem with images is that they don't generally lose a whole lot of size when zipped or stuffited <-- lol

im sure its not a problem for any of us to sit there and recieve 10 or so SS's that are about 2 megs. for a normal dsl user that could take up to.. 2 minutes?

Nice to see ppl finaly responding to possible cheats in Ghr. Ghost has been trying to warn us for months about these, just a couple of days ago in the "you guys deserve an explanation" post he tried to warn us.






He talks about a hack where the entire map is sensored from the beginning till the end.  For a game where strategic positioning is a mayor factor, i believe that this hack is as serious as the "no-recoil" hack in RVS.
I suggest you talk to Ghost, he is a smart man and already devoted alot of time in trying to get rid of cheats in Ghr .

i applaud all these efforts, but at the same time it damn near makes me sick to my stomach that we have to spend so much time talking about cheaters.

this is supposed to be fun, not work.  I love playing with everyone on here and trust you all (except on RvS where i trust NO ONE).

The biggest problem is that there is ALWAYS a workaround, especially wihtout a real PB.  I mean, who is to say that we have a cheat test where you have to take a SS at the beginning of the match.  If  I'm a cheater I just have two versions of GhR on my drive or i swap folders.  I use my 'clean' one to take the SS, but once we rejoin i usee my corrupt version.

We would have to take SSs at random points in the CB and spend time sending them back and forth.  Frankly, i won't have the patience for that shit.  If I don't trust you to the point where I have to openly question if you are hacking, well, then I shouldn't be cbing you in the first place.

sorry if im being emo about a video game.  Im usually very busy.  Yes im vacation from work now and get to play tons, but teaching school usually leave me very busy.  I usually get to squeeze in gaming for an hour when im working and play a few cb's with my clan when possible.

If GhR has devolved because of all this RvS crap then fuck it.  Count me out.  Sorry.


BTW... FtF should be on gameranger soon, according to Evill... fun game even though its not tactical... small maps, runs on a toaster (G3) but more than anything... its fun and has punkbuster.  Can't wait.

http://macgamingleague.com/index.php?iguard

This takes care of the RvS problem.

Is it just me, or do what I get out of ghost.fr's post mean that he has these cheats? I'm trying to decipher it, but I just can't.

yeah, i cant find the thread but there was one where he explained how to join Mac via a PC and also said that he had a way to show everyone on the map.

weak - the way to handle that would be to do a cheat test at the beginning..on a random map in a random location, and wait to send the ss's until after the cb is over.

negative, it's not a sensor hack which shows the entire map from the begnning till the end. i did talk with him for a while some weeks ago and looked at how his mentioned "cheats" work and it's a simple mapskin "trick" which can be easily seen in a cheattest. also, it doesnt work on all maps. it rather destroys the game for the "cheater" and makes it almost unplayable, instead of giving a real advantage. i'm not going to say more to give people ideas to experiment.


that's not allowed, though, logically. after a cheattest there is no rejoining. if you crash or leave in or short after a cheattest, you're getting warning points according to the BL rules.


well, as much as i'd like to agree... this is a competitive league, though, where clans are supposed to CB as many different clans as possible, as often as possible. it's of course easy to say that you only want to play with people you trust, yeah... but this is why there are cheattests. you don't even have to do it in the beginning, each clan can choose randomly in a CB when to call for one which both have to do (only one per CB, not once per clan per CB, that's not necessary). the SS's get exchanged AFTER the CB is done and checked and that's it. it's not a very long procedure and i personally don't have a problem doing it regularly to be sure there's no cheating involved by anyone, as much as i trust people (and i'm not a paranoid person at all).
don't stop gaming because of this, it's not worth it. don't let the cheaters destroy the game for you and keep playing. if there are any cheaters, and i don't think there are many in GhR, if any at all. they're either really stupid to continue using them from now on or they'll get caught, my word in god's ears, i'm not going to let this happen to GhR. advanced cheattests are a good thing.


yeah, i hope so too. the game and its requirements are great to become a very popular game on GR (although there could be more MP maps) but it's been a while again since that has been said... so... :::-/:: we should get a new statement on FtF and GR.


ah yeah... his way to join with a PC. first you'd need a PC (which i know 99% of the people here don't have), several 3rd party applications (which you first have to know, and the how to use them) and be a really pathetic asshole to do this stupid procedure before every CB, as far as ghost.fr explained it to me, only to cheat in GhR with a PC.[/color]

I think it's a great idea and I don't have any problem with it. In fact, I encourage it. Of course there are workarounds (as Weak mentioned), but it seem like with the SS idea that the benefits of cheating are out weighed by the hassel of doing it... or so it would seem. I guess the allure of being seen as some all-pwning GhR God is just so attractive to some pathetic players.

So... editing the command maps and reticules is cool, but swapping other graphics files (skins, textures, etc.) that provide a substantial advantage is not. I totally agree, but what about sound files? I'll freely admit that I have removed 3 or 4 sound files from the game to improve my hearing ability -- for example, the steady rain on Vilnius. Do people think that's cheating?? I hope not... I certainly don't think it is. I'd say the only advantage it gives me is that I can hear someone if they are within 5-10 meters while they might not be able to hear me. It's not like it helps me find players, anticipate a manuver or direct my team to an opponent.

It also keeps me from getting a headache... that rain drives me crazy on long matches.

Thoughts?

i agree, i have some very annoying soundfiles removed myself. it's just as much advantage as a good reticule or command map would give you, nothing else. also, this couldn't be checked by a cheattest anyway. ;)

Part of me believes that the game should be played the way it came without modifications whatsoever - but I know it's easily modifyable so there's nothing stoping people from experimenting.

I don't think user made rets should be allowed to be used because some can give the player an advantage. Some of [01] had afew differnt rets and they didn't really make much of a differnt they just looked cool but they were soon deleted as part of a tourny's rules so obviously you must be able to get some rets that help or else the tounry wouldn't have had the rule in place.

I think the ss's are a good idea as long as no one is allowed to leave the cb once the ss's have been taken. I think the Screen shots should be taken after the lag test. Command Maps are fine though I think.

Not leaving after the SS test is going to be a real point of contention. I personally don't seem to have a lot of voice issues, but there are player who do (both with premium and NF... or w/e). Most clans are patient and fair about letting people jump out and come back in to fix a dropped voice connection, but that defeats the whole SS test. A person could claim they lost voice and jump out, activate their hax and come back in.

I guess calling a SS test on a close or deciding game would be in order here, but we played a CB the other night with a clan that had a player drop out every game (i'm not saying they were cheating... it's just an example of the issue). If we had asked for a SS after each player left and came back we'd still be playing and people would have really started to get pissed off.

I guess there's just no way around it... these people have to fuck up the fun for the rest of us.

rets should be a allowed as long as the trail of the bullet is not effected... all a reticule is, is a picture and I have nothing against that...

heh, yea sorry about that T, I had some wicked connection problems... which is why cell took my spot ;D

But he does have a point... I've been crashing a lot lately and with that in mind I wouldn't even be able to cb with fright of getting my clan banned due to warning points from dropping out of a game... that'd sorta piss me off if I never got the chance to cb :(

- could an observer viewing the player see if they were using these hacks/cheats? - what im getting at would be a suggestion that CB rooms have a extra open slot to allow admins to randomly join (would need to sort the pw issue) and check up on players at any time - random hits if you like.

I think it'd only be fair if the players in the game agree, I'de like to think they hold trust in every admin... but I understand if they don't want people observing their game.

and... would you see the same thing they see as an observer? if somebody is cheating they've mofied their game... since yours wouldn't be modified I would assume you would see whatever your game has the ability to show you.

That or your hax were giving you trouble :-)

I was trying to let you be anonymous and not say who or what clan!

okey dokey - thus also not showing up on the replays - hmmm, kinda inportant to know what these hacks are and how they work and in what shape or form inorder to really know how they can be combated.

Ya, the more i hear about cheating on here, the less I want to do cb's, I personally dont believe that any one clan as a whole is cheating but maybe a few players in certain clans are, and that will bring down the clan as a whole. I also agree, after some conciderable thought, that yes, maybe taking a ss, would be a waste of time, but recording every game would solve that, you would get a true view of what every player is useing. Now doing this to becomes a problem, some people would use this to their advantage by seing stratagies. So i guess youll have to decide whats more important. I love playing with all these guys on here and it just really blows to think that anyone would want to cheat just to win nothing really. Remember guys, this is for fun, not for money. Getting caught cheating will brand you forever here so it really doent seem worth the effort now does it. I sure hope that there is a resolve to this problem soon because it really does suck.

Maybe it's just me, but doesn't this seem like it's all getting out of hand? The pregame cheat tests, mid game cheat tests, post game cheat tests and the cheat test cheat tests.

I mean hell, CBs now revolve around their cheat tests...

I just came back from a long GR absence, and this is partly why. I don't alter my game sound files because that's how the map is supposed to be played. Part of the visual aspect of Vilnius is the rain, so why remove the audio that goes with it? Not that I can change anyones mind about that but it's worth mentioning, if there's rain being shown on the screen you should hear it... I think the random explosions at Embassy are stupid though...

Anyway back to the point, is there no way to create a mod that locks all of these possible cheats? This "OMG he's a cheater, she's a cheater, that clans a cheater" shit is annoying no doubt, but the clan to clan paranoia is pretty stupid to. Some people used to get offended when one team would ask for a cheat test...  It would be great if there was a way to force players / teams to use the unaltered files without interrupting the flow of a good cb with "meet here, take SS now blah blah blah" it just seems to be taking away from the fun of the game in it's own serious way.

its a really good idea though. can someone who cheats come out and tell us if the cheats are visible to others? he he he. SS is a good way to do it too. they where effective when we did it before. z][t are more than happy to return to using cheat tests.

"negative, it's not a sensor hack which shows the entire map from the begnning till the end. i did talk with him for a while some weeks ago and looked at how his mentioned "cheats" work and it's a simple mapskin "trick" which can be easily seen in a cheattest. also, it doesnt work on all maps. it rather destroys the game for the "cheater" and makes it almost unplayable, instead of giving a real advantage. i'm not going to say more to give people ideas to experiment."


back to ghost. i'm not getting why there is a question about him. if someone is wondering about his character, send him a pm. he is a gentleman and he is a stand up guy who pretty much stopped playing ghr because of cheats. if he has cheats to look into cheats, i wouldnt know. dunno how that works. Civic, im still not understanding how ghost's attempts to tell people about cheaters is being belitled by you. cheats are cheats no matter how they are made, what game they are for or who does it. i think its "uncool" to "not" give "simple" credit to a "person" who has taken the "time" to "tell" the "community" about a "valid" problem that should have been "dealt" with long ago. unless i am "missunderstanding" your comments on his "efforts"?

and i do agree with not giving people too many ideas
 ::bussi::

IMO, removing specific sound files (rain, wind, etc) to enhance your hearing, is cheating.

And yes the loud wind and rain annoys all of us, but it is a part of the game that wasn't meant to be altered to enhance ones hearing.  There is a reason the sounds are there, to submerge the player into the environment, and make he/she feel like they are actually in a real place.  You people are removing the environment from the game.

I'm sure some of you will disagree, and this is mearly my opinion, but other hardcore gamers will agree that you are enhancing/altering gameplay to favor you, ala cheating.

Sorry T, I would say you should put all sound files back in....especially sounds like rain and waterfalls.  They're in the game for a reason.  

Just my 2 cents.

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I guess you can't change the reticles to benifit the user because it doesn't show exactly where your going to hit the person - it's more random than that.

But command maps - I've seen screenshots of see-through command maps which is most definitly cheating because you can have them up and run and have the abliity to see clearly with the map still up - even though your reticle will dissapear.

I've heard about transparent command maps as well.  This is also something that any clan who is using them should get rid of ASAP before someone finds out.

Great thread, great responses and some thoughtful opinions. It would be great if we all lived by the honor system, but... here's my 2 cents worth.

Is any modification of the original game a form of cheating?  If so, does this mean that command map grids are not allowed?  Removal of sound files a cheat?  Transparent command maps?  Reticule changes?  Skins? Enemies on the map all the time?  It gets to be a big list.

How many of these things will show up on a screen shot?  The reticule and skins will, don't think the others will.

To enforce anti-cheating it seems to me that we need some form of PunkBuster.  Is this possible?

I think taking out sound files is cheating,
The maps should be played as is....that includes the sounds of rain.

I like the idea of a SS cheat test before the cb.
As long as no one leaves, it should work fine.

Po will gladly participate in anything we can do to keep GHR clean and fun.

Punkbuster is a definite no go, unfortunately.

about the other stuff... what is not cheating in my opinion (because it doesnt give an unfair benefit that can decide a game): edited command map graphics, removal of sound files and edited reticule graphic. what IS cheating in my opinion and ca decide games: any edit of skin files and maptextures. heavy stuff like retlock etc (as in RvS and the Unreal Engine) is as far as i know not possible with the GhR engine.

about what you can see on cheattest SS's...: edited skins, edited maptextures (this is how it's possible to see enemies on the map, NOT all the time though and only possible on very few and small maps, it destroys the game for the user, makes it almost unplayable), fog visibility and FSNV.

so as stated, the only thing we really need to do is start using cheattests again, with a few additions on what has to be in it (like fog, maptextures, the opponent's soldiers and fsnv).


it's a very easy thing to do and impossible to check. i don't regard that as cheating because it cant decide a game and/or give clear unfair benefit to the user. it's just a simple cosmetic thing.[/color]

as well as walls and trees are always good to have

Completely disagree.  Editing sounds in any form, although not a "serious" offense, should not be allowed.

that's included in maptextures. ;)


besides that it's not checkable at all, it's less benefit than a good command map or reticule.[/color]

Well I remember wile cbing there would almost always be a point where somone leaves for a second. So what happens then? do you restart the test for that person?

 i guess you have to do that to really make sure in such a case. :::-/::

The sound thing is a complex issue.

There is no way to test it - but you can make it so you have an extreme advantage.

It can be changed so that footsteps can be heard from further away than they should be - which is benificial in close quarter maps, sometimes you can hear where an enemy spawns right off the bat.

well, that's different than just the removal of annoying sounds... hmm. i cant think of how this would really work tho, there are no fitting sounds that could exchange footsteps without being terribly annoying throughout the game.

removing sounds is a different thing than increasing sounds

well one other thing, have you all forgotten that you can also cheat by a pc? these hacks are turned on and off at the click of a button, as for weaks comments on the switching out of the folders, i think it should be a rule if someone leaves the room and comes back then they have to resubmit ss each time they leave and rejoin, make this mandatory! at least this will help catch some of the "kids" and punks on here.ill go ahead and say this now, ive been talking about this cheat stuff sence last season, and have thought about even pulling my clan out of this season because of it, i mean who wants to play a bunch of dam cheaters??? also as for all you other peeps running NF i think that should be stopped as well , we all know the only reason that it is ran is to lagg your ass for kills i mean cant we play a straight up game here?, if not before to long there wont be any clans left in bl because no one wants to play a cheater/ lagg app runner. nuff said...

as posted before about the joining with a PC tho... you 1. need a PC, 2. need to know how and 3. it's a complicated pain in the ass to do as far as ghost.fr explained it to me. i don't think we really need to worry about that, because GR is blocking this in several ways for GhR.

about the folder switching... yes, of course. to really make sure you'd have to repeat the cheattest after everytime somebody leaves and/or joins. same if somebody gets subbed. :::-/::

i know people that play counter-strike competitively, and before every match it is required to do a ss test before every match.  I'd be happy if the dbl started requireing this as well.  If we got in the habit of doing this, it won't be a big deal.

And yes i agree, if someone leaves and comes back, make them do another cheat test/ss.

I don't think it should be required... give the people a choice, if they hold trust in one clan over another allow them to just play. Though I would recommend a cheat test every match it should be required. It's in the clan's best interest to do a cheat test before or during every match.

rgr that civic it is a pain in the ass, but not everyone has a pc so this will make it alot tuffer and will allow more to be caught or refrain from cheating altogether dont ya think ? the more of a pain in the ass it is too do the less peeps will do it , i think everything as far as lagg apps , ichat,NF, ANTHING THAT MAKES YOU HAVE ANY LAGG! should be turned off , cause we all know there doing it ..... as far as that goes i think classify that as cheating as well ..

You can't force anybody to turn nf or iChat off and you'll never know even if they didn't... I prefer nf over permium chat because I don't enjoy pressing a button to talk everytime... plus I don't notice it causing any lag in cbs. or public games for that matter.

Personally I am for a cheat test every match.  I also think that the cheat test should be improved a bit.  And as a last recommendation I think that the DBL admins should have the power to administrate a cheat test to any member of any active clan anytime they want...  Including out of CB games.  

This will probably get alot of heat but it is just my opinion.

- KITKAT

well krush just assign your caps lock button to team chat or something then sence u dont want to push a button,  we all know here that nf and many other apps can make you lagg kill alot, the lagger may not notice it but i cant count how many cbs we took down to a 4v4 game then all of a sudden a player from anther team leaves, launches his apps, then returns.... hell we lost a cb not to long ago because someone done that. as for modded rets ect, i dont think they give ya any edge in the game cause they dont make ya shoot straight, as a matter of a fact they can make ya have less kills, i know when i play with differant kits in xmod ect, some of the rets on there really just give me a headache and dont seem to help at all, as a matter of fact any ret other than stock makes me play like shit, so you all go ahead use your modded rets ect. i really encourage that.

no... I think I'll stick with netfone. easier to use... simply talk and play. Using netfone wouldn't ever be considered cheating. on another note {E} refuses to cb cO anyways so you don't have to worry about that (but that's a different issue).

I've never noticed the NF lag thing... can anyone else confirm this? I don't consider that cheating as it would lag everyone and not just the other team. Where's the cheater's advantage?

And for the other folks that think the game should be played "as is" out of the box... would you ask baseball players to all use the same bats? Or racecar drivers to only use cars off the showroom floor? No... that's boring. Removing sound files, creating custom maps and reticules is the same thing as one player using a heavier bat than another to improve his swing or a pit crew adjusting the aerodynamics of their driver's car to make it corner better.

Doing things like the above is what you do when you play a game at a certain level. I would wager that *DAMN has some of the best GhR player there are... so we like to tweak and customize.  Even in NASCAR races where everything is supposed to be even the teams are allowed to customize within limits.

The hax that Civic mentioned are comparible to steriods in professional sports. They provide a CLEAR and GAME ALTERING advantage. The other stuff is just guys trying to be the best they can within the limits of fair play.

In the end... it still comes down to being able to put a bullet or nade in the bullseye.

Oh and {E} will only CB us on every third Thursday after the full moon between 11:00pm and 12:24pm if we have an odd number of players whos ages total a random number that Mag generates. You're not alone Krush

Oh and Mag... why don't you share your PC detector with us... or at least the results you've had with using it? How many PC players have you caught?

it's a pain in the ass to get the IP of a specific person with ***** because it never gives you only one IP and it's not as easy as just clicking on a person's name on GR, chatting with him there or even iChat. you always get many IPs at once.
the only ways i'd know to get the IP of a person is by asking him personally or banning him from your GhR server (and get the IP from the banlist).

edit: another way i just remembered... using the illegal PC client for GR. it shows the IPs of all hosts/servers. i seriously hope that Evill does something about that finally... although he didnt really react to this plea since months now. :::-/::


edit: oh good, seems like 357mag removed his post this reply was to, heh.

rgr that civic im with ya there, evill can do something about it if he likes, i wonder if he can make it possiable as long as your on gameranger to disable ip joining?

it is already blocked by GameRanger since a very long time. it sets a random password for every GhR game (and some others) that's hosted through GR which makes it impossible for PCs to simply IP-join. there's unfortunately a way to find this pass out tho... but which you need a mac for.
then there's the other problem for PC users... being visible as playing with the GR account but for real being playing with the PC. i'm not going to explain how that works tho, logically, that's also why the description (or rather tutorial) about this, posted by ghost.fr a while ago, got moved to an only for admins visible area.

is this pc-joining even really a problem?  I honestly don't think people would be that sad to try and go through that much trouble to get a few more kills.  I made this post for the cheats that are possible for the mac, which is the issue.  If we do the ss cheat tests frequently, that will eliminate it, i would think.

If im wrong about the whole pc-joining thing please correct me...it just seems like we're drifting away into way too much paranoia.

we're drifting away into way too much paranoia, yes.

Come on guys, it's still a game - and back in the days I remember those cheat tests really took away a lot of fun. You shouldn't be scared by the recent happenings, even more feel save that we are behind it and if you have real doubts you can still do a cheat test, but at all now to start again with cheat tests in GhR kills more than it adds. Take my word.

Just play!

Bye,

Mauti

It's sad that this has gone too far - but unfortunatly without the punkbuster which doesn't let you alter anything we are stuck with just eachothers honor and trust.

It is just a game, but it's a game that is too easily modifiable and therefore can be altered much from what it was originally intended to be.

blahh, blahh, blahh, want cheese with that wine krush and T? besides T, we cbed u like 3 weeks ago didnt ya lose that one? hell, i bet u dont even get laid that often ..... ::applause:: cause if ya did then ya wouldnt bitch and complain about it so much, we play for fun , this is why in recent weeks i have decided to lock my server rooms down cause of all the bitching and crybaby shit that has made gr such a non-fun place at times, so we have managed to get around that by having fun with just the peeps that we know can come in and have fun and act like they have some dam sence without all the trash talk and immature bullshit, hell im sorry i got carried away here, i thought i was talking to some kids. as most of u know , trash talk and bad behavor wont get you a cb , we dont care if we ever win the league,we however care about having fun* a great deal, and if some of ya don't want to act like ya got some dam sence then the hell with ya, you wont get a cb from me, but act like you have some sence then we can play you as often as we can. remember our goal is fun here, not running around trash talking like some school yard bullies.i must say that we have had 2 real nice cbs with zt, 1 with ghra,and 2 with special forces and a few others i cant recall (cause i wasnt present)..... cant see the reason for your bitching at all T, as for you krush get a life stop your puns, then maybe u will get a cb. if we do cb Co it wont be because of your efforts(u can bank on that)...... remember its just a game, if you care to jerkoff with it by candlelight , keep that to yourself.

Check your PMs mag you silly man ;D

and let's bring this back on topic.

dear god.  like i said all this bullshit isnt worth it at all.



you are right mag, but even you who always claims this is 'just for fun' locks your room, has 2 different apps running that gives you a players ip and tell you if they are on MAC or PC, you are usually hesistant to CB, are sensitive to ball breaking, have said that cheats exist where you can see eveyplayer on the map, have on a few occasions insisted that other clans are surely cheating, and in this very thread say that guys are quitting the game to launch other apps in an attempt to lag you....

I'm using you as an example to show how hack-anoia is just too damned rampant.  Everyone fucking chill.  5 seasons of cb'ing and i've only had 'cheat' issues on 2 or 3 occasions and always with the same player.  Solution?  I don't fuckng cb that guy.  I don't need to create more hassle to solve a problem, I just eliminiate the problem.

GhR is decrepidly old and all vet players can spot when something fishy is going on.  If you need to call for a cheat test, do so.  I don't understand the NEED for all of this.  The RvS issue came up because we found a cheat.... if someone has proof of a GhR cheat let it be shown.  Give us a screen shot so we can all know what the hell to look for.  All this speculation about purse bullshit has lead to so much crap!

I mean look at this.... Mag, who used to host a very popular GhR room, now has to fucking sign and host a bubble room!

yes, this thread has gotten wayy out of hand.  Cheating isnt that big of an issue in ghr i don't think...this thread is making ghr look about 100x worse than it really is. 

This is only to let everyone know that cheat tests will be enforced next season...so their (if any) sorry asses won't get banned.

and mag - no one is fucking trying to join your stupid ass server on a pc...smoke a bowl man

Hey guys, I was just curious, are most/all of these hacks from people modifying the games files? Or is there any other method they use like running an external app? I wouldn't mind working on an anti-cheat program for RvS/GhR. I definitely have some ideas, and i'm bored off my ass so I'd be down to help. I'm good with lots of programming languages, so I should be able to whip something up that should work really nice.

If you want to get in contact with me about it, email me at xoclipse@cox.net or just talk to me on AIM, my screenname is xoclipse.

later

I think 357 should be banned for insinuating (look it up mag, it's a big word. 5 syliables) that I jerkoff by candlelight and that I don't get laid very often. WTF did I do to deserve that? Spike, my man, help me out here.

And Mag, since you have fired on me, let me fire back by saying... you know you lock your room so you can control your little fiefdom and prevent certain peeps from coming in a PWNing your ass. Or, hell... maybe you think we're all cheaters. Who knows. Yes, we lost that CB the other week, but I sum your win up to... well, let me put it in farm animal anecdote so you understand.... even a blind pig finds an acorn occasionally.

 I don't want to lock this as its a valuable and relevant thread with important issues up for discussion, so the next person to piss about in here can consider themselves pre-warned. Get back on topic or let it die.

On that note regarding the thread: Id urge people not to go overboard with the paranoia about cheats. Most of you guys have been playing this game long enough to know perfectly well when things look out of place. If you have genuine feelings that there are individual players who are using hacks or cheats of some form then either do not compete against them or request cheat tests. You can contact the *DBL Admins  privately about it and we will investigate in whatever manner we can but we will not look lightly on rash unfounded accusations.

That said RvS and GhR are to completely different games. Just because you have seen us tackling a problem with hacks being used in RvS doesn't automatically mean that the same goes for GhR.

I also fear that to demand cheat tests for every single cb you play etc is doing little more than undermining respect and confidence within the community - and will do no less than have a negative inpact on the ladder and the enjoyment that you are trying to retain in playing the game.

Thanks

xo, rvs is about wrapped up with www.macgamingleague.com/iguard

As for GhR, anything would help. Just to shut the paranoid people up.

iguard isnt due to be released until friday crypt, and that link leads to nothing. im not so sure the bts guys would appreciate you releasing their anti-hack before they themselves release it.

they is alreayd too much paranoia.... please dont make cheat test mandatory, but leave them as optional.




hear ye, hear ye!

Maybe I'm naive, but I have too much respect for the GhR/DAMN community players to believe that there is any cheating going on in GhR.  When I get pwn'd I chalk it up to your excellent skills and my stupidity.  Cheating (other than glitching) never enters my mind.

So if a screen shot makes everyone feel more secure, let's do it.  If any cheating is discovered, then let the consequences be severe.

GL HF

lets see here, for my 2 cents in cheat things or whatever. i personally have to agree with the ones that say modded rets (different pic of ret) should be fine. like mag said they dont make u shoot straighter. and someone else said its like baseball and asking everyone to use the samebat, just a no go it should be up to the player if they like a differnet looking ret. as for command maps for clear ones i have to say let em,  cause i saw a pic of one and from what i see would make it hard for the person to read it. they would have to turn on nv or look at the ground just to make it stand out. and if modded maps bug ppl then what about grids and spawn points, arent they cheating?  as for any other cheats like map texture and skin changing and others are the ones to be tested for. and to confirm whoever asked if any other apps turned on Will lag the game?, it does from my past expeience thx for listening to my $0.02. and cheat tests should be left to clan to decide. there are a lot of ppl out there i trust and would like the same from them.

I guess I disagree that moddified command maps and rets should be considered "cheating." The command map is just a picture of battlefield, and modifying it doesn't do anything that you couldn't do mentally. It basicly allows everyone to be on the same page when it comes to team communication without a lot of extra hassle for everyone involved. Theoretically, if you were truely 1337, you wouldn't need modded command maps, because you chould memorize and standard set of numbers for spawns, and be able to give coordinates out correctly without having to have them marked down. But most people (me included) don't have this sort of fantastic memory and I don't think it should be required.

I feel the same way about modified rets. Usually, they just take up slightly less viewing space allowing you to see your target clearly and know that you're hitting him. The original rets are clunkly and unless you are playing at super high resolution provide a slight disadvantage. If you're playing at a really high resolution, the original ret is significantly less obtrusive.In addition to this, of all of the games where it's possible to change your ret, I don't think it's considered cheating in ony of them, and most games give you several different choices of styles and colors.

These two things moddifications are easy to do for any user, and all they really do is streamline the game a little bit. I doubt the orginal developers of Ghost Recon expected it to have such a compeditive muliplayer environment, and I suspect that had they known, they would have made more useful command maps and less obtrusive rets.

Just my opinion.

Reticle modifications and command map modifications, for graphical look only, should not be considered cheating.  It is purely user preference. This league is all about the fun of competition.  Anyone who mods the game beyond that, giving themselves and thier clan an unfair advantage, should be ashamed.  All in all I don't see this to be a huge problem in GhR, but it is a possibility that all should be aware of. With all the time I have spent playing this game, it would be pathetic to have to use cheats to be able to compete....I hope the rest of the players in the DBL feel the same way I do.  With all the modding of GhR on the MAC finally becoming a regularity it is understandable that suspition is in the air. I also think the long downtime between seasons has led to boredom.  Keep it competitive, keep it real. Suckers and PC users cheat. MAC users should be above and beyond this.  If you cheat, you know who you are.  If not there is nothing to worry about......except my reticle on your grill. Now let's get the next f'n season rolling already. 

Reticles are fine no matter how you make them.

See through command maps I will still say is going too far because you can still read them well enough to be able to see if an enemy is on the map and where they are.

just like reading any other map. thats what they are there for. i my self would like to know exactly where they are right away so a darker map for me would work better. i stll dont see an adavantage to a clear one. ur ret disappears when ur maps up so then what u have to take map off to shoot

Well this used to be all hush hush including the rets because very few clans knew how to do it but it seems as though just about everybody has modded rets now.

And if nobody has seen these see through command maps I'll link to it here. (http://home.comcast.net/~shyguy7772/MAPMODDING01.jpg)

Now tell me wether you think you can see it clearly or not.

I agree with Civic.......Let's not let this shit get out of hand.  After reading through this thread I am starting to realize this.

This is what replays are for.  If you have an issue, save the replay.....or ask the team hosting to save the replay for you.  Replays are very telling.  If we get too crazy with this, it could ruin all the fun of having a battle league.  We've all been playing this game long enough to know when we see something that just isn't right. It's very reasonable to think that in the heat of competition, some people will do anything for an edge....I like T's analogy to professional baseball. It's right on.  And if you happen to get owned....consider the fact that you just got owned.....and it doesn't necessarily mean the other guy is cheating.

Test should be an option only, and I would reccomend using such a thing only when someone is suspected of doing something sketchy.

Is something like iguard even a possibility for Ghr?

I don't see why not - I guess I'm not sure how iGuard works but I'm sure it just makes sure all the RvS files are there and not fucked with and the same could probably be applied with GhR.

These same issue came up with Ghost Recon about a year and a half ago.  Checking texture files, etc was eventually built into Gameranger itself:

November 12, 2003
GameRanger 3.5 Released With Full Unicode Support!
Here's the full list of changes:

Added full Unicode support (partial in Mac OS 9). Chat, private messages, game descriptions, Premium member Quotes and Away messages are all multilingual now
Added anti-cheat measures for Ghost Recon
Added support for the Clone Campaigns update
Added support for Premium-only games, should there ever be any
Added Undo/Redo for chat entry fields
Fixed an occasional crash with the text engine in 10.3
Worked around a text layout bug in 10.3
Worked around a problem with hotkeys for in-game voice in 10.3
Changed F9 and F10 default keys to F7 and F8 for in-game voice muting (Expose in 10.3 defaults to these)
Tweaked the room list menu to look better in 10.3
Worked around a crash caused by Speech Notification in System Preferences
Worked around voice sample rate problems caused by other apps
Fixed flickering of the sound input source menu in Mac OS 9


Some of the other folks here may be able to tell you how effective it is, I've never really tried to test it.  I don't think command maps were included in the list of files it checks, however.

i just noticed again that you see an info about your computer when you enable "show fps" - like "Mac OS". If you would make it rule totweak your config file to show the fps, the cheat ghost.fr described once (joining with a pc) would be eliminated.

u get my point mate !!!

plus from all listed in previous posts, new one just been found by removing a masking file in origmiss folder to show green and yellow dots of ennemy on maps !!!!

SO IF U MAKE SS RANDOMLY PLZ SAY WITH MAP "ON"

ok nothing else to ad!!

cya online to BUST these PUNKS

MAN u dont have to leave the game to cheat !!! u can do it from in the game !!! swap folders using a script and one key !!!!! back and for !!!
and at next map start u have textures hacks or radar hacks !!!

WE need like CIVIC said random SS but mostly a new game, harder to hack !!!

if that scripting is possible, ghost...then what good would even a random ss do? couldnt they just do the script right before the cheat test?

I didn't think you could run a script with GhR in the foreground.

well if thats the only thing stopping it...then you probably could..  can you set a hotkey for a script?

Yes but that's what I'm thinking - with GhR in the foreground if you press a key it will be recognized by the game and not anything else.

Just a few words in here…

I’ve noticed a lot of accusations flying left right and center, in regards to cheating in Ghost Recon. If you don’t have proof and if you’re only speculating, then please don’t spread unnecessary rumours. In saying this though, it’s not cool to brag about cheating or joking about it in public rooms. Too many people are going into rooms and joking about using hacks and if you do that, it’s your own stupid fault if you become a target for accusations. This whole talk about cheating and all these goddamn speculations is driving me up the wall. Also, If you’re in a clan, that’s more reason not to joke/brag about cheating…

Until we have something that can actually catch these cheaters in the act, let’s try not to play on it too much. Let’s keep this game fun. Less speculating and more action in finding a solution is what we need here.

 - [a] Red Tigah

guys if i tell u its possible !! its because i tryed!! i used a program that i wont say the name but if some admin ask me i will !! as i always did "like the eav..... app "

so i tell u its possible to swap folders during a game ! juste take it so u must ask for a SS only when the map is loaded not during breifing !!! so then if u swap folders it wont affect the map cause its already loaded !!! IS that clear cause my english is bad!!

ok cya online and dont get paranoiac just fuck these punks !!!

yes, this is EASILY done.

yo shade, the only thing is that its a darker background from what i see on that map. now what to do if that map is on a big open map or omething of a lighter nature? just would like ur input :)

I dunno - it would be interesting to see what it looked like.  I myself haven't tried it.

If I were smart enough to figure out how to cheat, I'd be owning all of your asses   ::sniper::

wouldn't we all...

I've been playing for a long time, and kind a know what players are good, what  players are bad, and what players were reascently bad and now seem almost invinsible...... These fellows all of a sudden, have become great players, to the point that leave me at awwwww!!!  I've been keeping a close eye on some of them, and observing how right of the spawn, no matter what map, they seem to "KNOW" where the opponents spawn...they run and take good position always to the right part of the map... "ALWAYS"....now the chances of guesing the right spawn are 1 in 3 for all of us, but for them seem to be 1 in 1.... Maybe now they will read this and start faking it a bit...
Other guys seem to be with FSNV since they peek at angles that are impossible for night maps if you had the screen blured out. Some of these guys are in clans I respect a lot, and know their leaders and main players are good and do not need cheats to win, but some of their members seem to be willing to put their mates at risk of someday paying for their own mistakes..... I have no way to prove anything, so I  will not mention names......but here is a word of advice... Just because it can't be proven (yet), doesnt mean we CAN´T TELL !!!!!! So do yourselves and the rest of the Ghr community a favor.... start playing clean!

just my two cents.....

As far as I'm concerned cheating is rather obvious.

With the spawn thing that's tricky since on alot of maps spawns can be determined within the first few seconds simply by process of elimination.  Anti - FSNV was built into GR but aparently people have found a way around it now which is rediculous.  With modifyed textures - Wilderness seems to be a good one to test that because there were many times where I knew a guy was in the bushes but there was no way he could see me and he didn't spray either it was a clean shot.

i agree...if you don't know where the other team has spawned within the first 5-10 seconds, you aren't playing the map right. (with the exception of like farm day, or a few other huge maps)

We played a younger, noob clan a few months ago (no names) that only picked night maps on their turns. I was like, you gotta be kidding... why don't you just change your name to "FSNV Cheater".

We pwnd anyway and refuse to play them anymore.

It's up to the clan leaders to clean this bs up b4 the start of next season.  If any of your players are suspected of stupid cheats, it will taint the whole clan.......  any problems should be dealt with now, so we have a clean, fun season.....minus accusations and bickering.

I guess by looking at this forum , there are 6 pages now, that there are quite a few people that really believe something is going on here. I being one of them,but still not sure as to the scale of cheating,  yes its going to be a tough one, yes there are always going to be cheaters. "people that need to win at any cost". The fun of the game isnt really part of it for these people, that is the shitty part, they just want to stand above everyone else. Ya hoo, i had 15 kills this game, im so good. Cheater bullshit. One of these days punkbuster or something like it will be available, until then , we are just going to have to do our best to combat this shit. I know truely that almost everyone on here does not cheat and doesnt need to cheat. Almost everyone on here i just love playing agaist ,,,win or lose i dont care , im one of the people that plays for the fun of it still too. The bad guys will be caught and dealt with. With this many people aware of whats going on , how long do they think they can survive the cheating before they are banned or blacklisted or just pissed on. The time to kill will soon be upon us guys, we have to make the best of it or we chance losing the battleleague alltogether becuase of this situation. Fuckem all and cay on..

ps. Did you get that avatar form our forum Tiro.. one of my favorites.lol wish she rubbed a little lower too.

Have to rember that there is a drastic change in were the reticule is depenidng on the resolution the player uses. There are quite a few maps that spawns can be determined in secounds an the more skilled clans usely exchange gl rounds within 10 secounds.

Nah Rob, I got it from some web site after doing a thorough BOOB search!!!!  ;D
I had taken it off, but do to popular demand, had to bring her back!!!!  :D

...we can see all players in command map without a texture in origmiss, just to know if it's true?

if it's true sure i find it, and 'll say it for all ;)

nice cb all

just for information: i not cb more in ghr ;), just playing sometimes for my pleasure ;)

I cant tell whether this is spam or not. What are you saying maco?

nothing spike, i want just to know if it's true.
To kill cheater, it's better to know THE cheat, isn't it.

FOR CBMEN: i'll propose a screenshot of the command map, an another with ennemies players  in front of a principal texture in the building map (not only dock)

It's the end for cheater :)

If there are any cheaters you guys sure are giving them a good warning,now all they have to do is work around what you have been saying,better just to shutup about it.

wow... so what you're basically saying is don't do anything about it? or maybe I'm hearing you wrong. We're trying to find a solution, if we shut up about it, it'd be a little tough to do that.

Thats not what i'm saying at all.I was just saying, IF there are any cheaters (wich everyone seems to think there is) this topic is open to everyone, including the cheaters.All i am saying is, If you are going to find a fix to it, dont shout it out to everyone. No one really needs to know how you are going stop the cheating,nor do they need to know,if they are clean then they have nothing to fear.But the cheater reads a topic like this and decides to play alot more safe,maybe even finding ways to bypass a cheattest.

Question: What happens if someone is on a dial-up conection (Like me) during one of your "Cheat test Cbs"
And gets disconected and crashes out (Wich happens alot with me btw.)
So what, am i up shit creek or what?

Redo the cheat test.


And stop getting paranoid.

Musk the only reason for a cheat test is because the other clan thought you did something fishy,  just avoid glitching and other non allowed cb things and you will be fine. 

Hakuna Matata (It means no worries in Swahili)

not really true... unlike a replay, a cheattest can be asked for at anytime in a cb or before a cb for any reason, up to twice in one cb (correct me if I'm wrong admins)

In other words, you don't really need reason to conduct a cheattest, they're supposed to be sorta random.

Krush, what Im saying is that: The other clans usually only ask for them if the suspect cheating.

That's how it's been for the past... what? 6 or 7 seasons? but if you read the first post in this topic you'll see that's probably about to change.

About to change for your clan you mean.Or is it going to become a rule? like at the begining of every cb a cheat test? Wouldn't hurt anything,besides,just take a screenshot during the cb(if its asked for) then after it's over if anyone feels the need send them in.

And another thing,why dont we during the ss hold down the b key?, that would sort of of give it a time stamp.

I think you're making it more complicated than it really is... And though I'm not an admin, I doubt it will beome a rule to do a cheat test before every cb, but I think it will be done more often than it has been in the past.

I think you’re right Krush. It will be done more often now, and that’s good. I can’t recall ever doing a cheattest, cause cheaters have not really been a problem before. If we saw something fishy we looked at the replays. But now...if these "enemies on map" cheats etc have become available (which I dunno is true), then we should certainly do cheattests. I think cheattests could become a regular part of a cb, maybe right after the lagtest.

Question: has anyone actually been caught cheating in GhR yet? There was the whole Gz "scandal" with no proof, no replays, no sense what so ever. And now ofc the Deumrabbit replay, which im sure most of us agree was caused by lag.

Ghost keeps talking about his cheats, but i dont understand why he hasnt taken a screenshot of his red-infested map from a public game. I'm sure if he did that and posted it here this issue would get the attention he feels it deserves.

This has all of the sudden become a huge topic with hours put into solving it, but the community has yet to see a replay or a screen shot of someone definitely cheating. The only cheating discussed here is a bunch of complaints made by players, who after years and years put into GhR gaming cant stand to be killed by someone who is relatively new.

Primary I agree 100% with everything you said.

I don't believe it as lag, but also believe there is no way that the evidence I have seen can condemn him.



And Ghost.fr.... can you please post a screenshot of tis full screen sensor hack... otherwise, i just dont believe you.

Yes, Ghost if these "hacks" that you speak of exist, please give us the ss's of all of them.  What can we do if we dont know what to look for ghost?  These things may just be some myth from peecee land or from some other cock-and-bull story that you have come up with to try to stop cheating.  I know you're intentions are good, but for problems to be solved we need to be able  to take the first step, and a stepping stone towards that step would be seeing the pictures and knowing that these glitches/hacks exist.

Haha, you wish (to see how it's done), of course, noble intentions. They exist and showing you SS's would only give you hints how to do it yourself, as we have discussed in several threads already about what kind of cheats we're talking about here which everybody should've read. I'm not going to repeat it all again. Make cheattests if you want to make sure there is no cheating involved, it's all easily visible in SS's if it's being used.

I thought it was because of lag from the very beginning.  I really wish that the admins will post a replay of them remaking the "cheat" that rabbit did...

Fridge  ::applause:: ::applause:: ::applause:: ::applause::

I dont think there would be any harm in showing them if they dont believe it.
They can look at the screen shot all they want, but as far as "looking" goes that gives them no idea on how to make the cheat.Not that any of them really want to.

i guess what civic is trying to say is that there is something in the SS that would give us hints - its not just the normal red dots showing up. if ghost has shown the admins then thats enough i guess, i wasnt aware of that.

i can see some dont like what i say, but i have informed admins and team leadders and all did there test and sorted exactly what can be done or not.

thx for continuing some low attack on me, just know i dont give a shit. I just do what i have to do TO FUCK ALL THESE PUNKS and it works ;-) hihi

Just do cheat tests randomly with map on with and without apponents in front and it should be ok
and ask for SS not during breifings but after a loaded map

GL & HF

So we are just supposed to launch like its a round of the cb,THEN you say take a ss?
I dono i kinda like to know wth is going on,and it would kinda piss me off if i was all excited to go just to find out its a cheat test.Besides the cheaters (if there be any) know that these cheat tests are coming this season so i think IF there is any cheaters they will cut down alot if not all of there cheating.

I dont think that will work. If you get a bad spawn, just demand a cheat test.


Or they are already workin on new cheats which arn't obviously detectable with this cheat test.

Is it possible to create something like iGuard for Ghr? I have no clue of this stuff.
But if were possible, we should focus on that. If we could create such a program it would solve the whole problem.

Tin

Ey ey ey, No pics in your sigs.


This is getting far too out of control.  Cheat tests should be done first thing - like say during lagtests - one of the lagtests can be also a cheat test.  It shouldn't be done at random intervals during the game.


I guess I would have to see as to how exactly iGuard works.  I know with Punkbuster it makes sure that all the GhR files are there and unmodifyed I believe.

Another good reason not to do it at any time^^^

a maximum of one surprise test should be allowed but i think its anoying and asked with care

a maximum of one surprise test should be allowed but i think its anoying and asked with care

and just after start (max 5 secs) maybe with

1/ 3 shots in sky (for replays to prove it was realy a demand of surprise CT)
2/ text message like: "surprise in game CT SS demand" by one team member

what do u guys think?

this is getting out of hand. i dont mean that we shouldnt be testing for cheats, but the CB is enough of a hassle as it is. there should def. be a better way, is what im saying. i personally wouldnt want to have to compare SS's after CBs and take them during CBs at random intervals.

what happens if a player crashes during the game, or one leaves to get his buddy back online? do we have to do the cheat test again to make sure that no one is playing with 2 versions of GhR and just faking a crash to join with the other one?

its rediculous.

its hard enough to look for a CB as it is, let alone convince someone to come and go through the whole process just to play a few games.

Still doesn't fix the problem with somone demanding it because of a bad spawn.Even if you are only alowed to do it once a cb.Ok say its near the last round of a really tight cb,one of the clans decides to go with chalet (I think you guys all know what im talking about when when i say good spawn is VERY inportant there) Ok, then say you start the game,somone gets the spawn inside the chalet or behind the fence...Ahhhaaa WE WANT A CHEAT TEST! It just shouldn't be alowed.

I think we should stop discussing about the SS cheat  test, it gets us nowhere. There are 2 opinions about it and that it is.
Rather we should  try to create an anti cheat program like iGuard. It would be amazing! All servers we would cb on would have to have the program enabled. Nobody would have to worry about cheating anymore. Sounds cool, doesnt it?
Unfortunately I can only make suggestions, cause I dont know how to programme. ::wall::

Tin

then guys dont choose chalet its a low technic used by low players to unbalance a game, it wont bring u credits

just play fairly without tricks, good players dont need it, plus some maps should be removed ! like this one

and if doind a cheat test is a problem then dont ask for it!! and if u dont want clans to use CT in there advantage, say they should be asked in the first 4 games not after, done early it wont make a problem

And if u think that when a clan has a bad spawn it ask for CT then what do u think about fake crashes that force a restart of game

thats all bad excuses not to do CTs

I think we need to take a SS of our GHR data folder 30 mins prior to a CB, and another every 5 mins leading up to the CB. 3mins before the CB all SS must be given to the opposing team who must then get them stamped by a notary public and post dated at least one min prior to CB, and mailed to the Damn admins for review. Then you can all lick my balls cause this shit is getting crazy yo!!!!!

Right on Cotton...but I think you missed a few things there.....I would like scans of thumbprints, passports, driver's licenses & birth certificates (original copies only).  Then all those participating in the cb must create a disc image of thier hard drive and email it to:

cheetrsssukballz@paranoiddelusion.net.org

On a serious note.....an iGuard equivalent would be a beutiful thing, but as Tin said:

Unfortunately I can only make suggestions, cause I dont know how to programme.

I would be willing to be the iGuard guinea pig host for Ghost Recon....who woud be the right techy to talk to about something like this?  Also...anybody able to help me with tracking stats for Ghost Recon games....when I host.  I would love to provide the same kind of thing BTs LeeHarvey does on his RvS server.

Feedback requested!! Over & Out_____

Ghost... you're making this more complicated than it really is


I know from working with *DAMN for a while that things need to be kept simple... this is just obsurd.

i agree krush but plz come with an other solution

its maybe obsurd but the all cituation is !!

if u want we do a test, u CB me without CT or SS u take replays and then u tell me if i cheated or not and where i did or not!!! if u get me u dont need SS if u dont then anyone on this game can screw u

i bet i can screw u anytime, just take my word

Great idea!!!! But... there's always a BUT - Hopefully clans wont use the cheat test as an excuse to get out of a bad spawn in a certain map..... to clarify: If when a team spawns and has a really shitty spawn, they can call CT to get out of it. I'm just hoping that this is not the case, but how to avoid it?

well what we did against ghra...we typed that it was a cheattest as the game was counting down to launch.  and in case they didn't see it (which they would after the game started anyways) we said it on all chat while the map was loading.

perfect, CT must be called for during the countdown or while in the loading screen on All chat.  Problem solved of doing a CT with a bad spawn.

Seriously...how many cheaters do you think there are? I’m pretty sure that no one in the established clans are cheating, cause they don’t need to (except glitching, which someone still do). So are we wasting all this time just because it CAN be done? I have never found any cheats, call me a cheatnoob w/e, but I haven’t found any on any sites I have visited. I don’t think this is as widespread in the community as this thread implies. Sure, there is always the little punk, who is tired of getting shot by clanplayers. Sure there is always the kid with low selfasteem, who needs to cheat in a computergame to feel superior...let’s not give these guys anymore attention. We cb mostly with players that have played for a long time, players who play for fun...it’s a frickin game in a computer! I would rather play against a cheater than put both teams through all this. We might lose the game or we might win anyway, I couldn’t care less.

I agree with magnetic 100%

AND what about if they fake a crash to avoid a bad spawn its the same!! there is nothing u can do against bad players, something u can do like me u stop CBing them on next time they ask

Well mag u know its not cheats like client mods but much more and easy textures swaps
 so all can easely do it, and from what i checked on alot of the last 2 month, alot are using it

also if they dont use them all the time

plus mag look at the last proven cheaters, they where from respected clans, i guess there will
be more Cbs played when the game will be safe

personaly i will always choose who i cb like i did b4, cause i hate behing cheated

and if nothing is done i will play bf like in past 2 month

I understand ghost. You are, however. much more into this cheat thing than most, so you might be "cheat-paranoid", meaning that you think you see cheats all over the place in public games. I don’t see any...or perhaps the cheater is not even good enough with cheats to make an impression, I dunno.

You are always welcome to cb with z][t like we have done many times before  ::applause:: We don’t want to lose you to bf.

ok maybe i'm paranoid a bit i agree, and its true that its not only good and impressive players taht
use cheats, but in some CBs they may do the difference if one guy can tell to all is team where
exactly u are for exemple if they can have u on map constently for exemple

anyway i'll cb in next season cause its always cool i'll just select more & more carefully who i'll cb
and ofcourse, clans like ZT like mods and some more i will go with eyes closed, some others where
some guys are suspected i will look 10 times before to give them the pleasure to think i didnt see
there tricks, and maybe i will take some time to see if i can proove that they are cheating.

i dont play to win u know it (if i did i will be sad with all our lost games;-)) ) but i dont want to loose
against cheaters

but i can tell u that tribe is getting prepared for next seasons to be a good opponents, we will do
our best to make ur games harder to win ;-))

cya online GL & HF

point out where I said I don't want screenshot cheattests... all I said was you're trying to make it so damn complicated that it'd be impossible to ever get a cb done within a 5 hour time frame.

Hmm...you always put up a nice fight  ::uzi:: ::stupid:: ::sniper::

And you are in the wrong thread.

 right you are stripes. and because the right thread is locked, I just deleted G's post.

Oh, and congrats on finding the italics button stripes.

And it's getting worse... We were playing on Airbase, I was the last one left vs. three guys... I kill the first two with rockets, then I round the corner and kill Stripes while I was peaking and standing straight up.  What's the first thing that comes out of his mouth? "Glitch" "cO.krush is a cheater"... Only to tell me after I'm out of the server and I'm pissed that he was "joking"... I was hoping it doesn't come to this, this is exactly how it is in AA, anybody who plays what you think as 'too good' is a cheater. Stripes, if you were truely joking, you know better than to start shit like this with all these cheating issues coming up... nobody found it funny. The only thing you have to say is "you think you're better than me? let's 1v1" nobody ever said they were better than you. Just because I kill you doesn't make me a cheater, I play for fun and anybody who actually knows me knows I would never cheat... Hell, anytime I enter a glitch I stand straight up and allow the person to kill me. I don't care if the guys in z][t take the cheating accusations as a joking matter but I sure as hell don't, especially when it's directed at me.

Sorry to say this Krush, but you either take a course in humour or stop playing on my server again. There was no doubt that you were glitching, totally by accident. And there was no doubt that we were joking about it. Didn’t the words BURN BURN give you a hint?

Krush, right now all i am doing is laughing.

first of all, you can get replays from Magnetic - you were glitching but you didn't do it on purpose.

next thing is, you got us all wrong we was making fun of the *DBL Threads here, all i said was co:krush caught cheating, we all laughed about it, or i guess you didn't, you are getting no-where here Krush, take a deep breath and get over it, it was a public game and has nothing to do with this thread.

Yeah, what has this to do with anything anyways? Glitching is NOT cheating respectively hacking.

but he didn't say I was glitching... he said I was cheating.

you know as well as I do Mags, that if i said "Stripes is cheating" that he would have been pissed. I don't take cheating accusations lightly... and if that's what your server is all about then I'de rather not play in it. Anybody who plays with me knows I joke around A LOT, as much as anybody else on GR, but I never say, for example "magnetic is cheating" after he kills me... that's just lame whether he's joking or not. I guess if calling the person that kills you a cheater makes you feel better in the end, be my guest... but I'll stick to congradulating the person that kills me on a good kill.

dude stop this bullshit right now, you knew i was joking, all you wanna do is making me look like a bad guy, who can't take anything serious, i was joking as we all do once in a while get over it krush you killed me you won, you're the best just grow up.

After he said that you were glitching... therefore he was obviously bantering. :)

lawl... I don't have to make you look like a "bad guy"... you've always been really good at making yourself look like a dumbass. See, I have a sense of humor. ::lol::(http://mnvibe.com/forum/images/smilies/emot-fuckoff.gif)(http://mnvibe.com/forum/images/smilies/fish.gif)(http://mnvibe.com/forum/images/smilies/toilet.gif)

You need to take your medication Krush.

I haven't been prescribed any meds... what I just said is about as funny as "krush is a cheater" I'm just making a point. Accusing people of cheating isn't funny...

"glitch" "hahahaha" "hahahahah" "hahahha" "cO.krush is a cheater" "hahahah" "hahahha"

if you guys find this funny you have a fucked up sense of humor...

OK, we get everyone's point.

Please stop.  Move on.

you are an idiot krush -  you think everything is about you but we werent, even speaking about YOU - we have better stuff to talk about, i was making fun of the =US= Thread, the GhRa> Phara caught cheating,
and sorry to say it, but if i would call anyone cheater then you would be the last, just that i see you play make me laugh. Stop thinking you're a pro, cause you really aren't.

And Vickedson, i wanna know what is Krush point in posting here?

Krush needs to stop posting spam, and mature up.

Get over it krush, you aren't a cheater we all know that by your gameplay.

Stripes, are you really going to get anything accomplished by your post?  Learn to read....then grow up.

you're one to talk about spam and maturity...
wtf are you talking about? if I called myself a pro-ghost recon player I would have to kill myself... that's just pathetic.
I know damn well I'm not an extremely good player, hell, I use rockets as my primary simply because I PLAY THE GAME TO HAVE FUN.
If I recall correctly, "cO.krush is a cheater" unless there's another cO.krush on GR then I'm assuming you were talking about me.
(http://mnvibe.com/forum/images/smilies/emot-fuckoff.gif) lol, grow up stripes... if you're going to try to insult me at least come up with something a little better than "you are an idiot krush". can you say self pwn?
I've already said it... but you wanna keep this going Stripes, hell, I'll go all day... Arguing with you is fun... it's like arguing with a rock... self pwn before the arguement even begins.

Now I know you think 'pwning' people in a 1v1 in GhR solves every issue Stripes, but it doesn't... you win alright? congrats

I don't know where you got half of this shit you found here... it really makes no sense and you always seem to be able to give me a good laugh with your lack of common sense.

Enough, this has nothing to do with the original topic of this thread, and it is time you two talk to eachother on GR, and not over this forum. One more post like this, and it will be locked.

Hopefully this will lock it up then,I for one am gettind sick of hearing about cheaters anyway.

Stripes and Mags have both called me cheater in the past and i know for a fact Mags was not joking.
Stripes bluntly messeged me on GR one time calling me a wall hacker,and mags called me a cheater times over in a game because i killed 2,3 in a row? And there was no sign that he was in fact "joking" Whatever, it doesnt matter. Im not trying to dig up bad memorys,but it kinda makes me mad that they are here saying all they do is joke about it. Just saying that BOTH of them have dont it (called somone a cheater) for REAL.
And dont think i am taking sides here,for all that matter i think most of co has not openly called me a cheater to my face,but i see alot of stuff on these forums hinting that they do.